[Suggestion] Remove class/job requirements to turn in relic upgrade quests

I know there are other quests that are similarly impacted by this, but keeping my suggestion to the one I know for sure. With beast tribes I (kinda) understand why we need to be the class that we picked up the quest as. You want to give credit to the class that did the work because of scaling. Why do we need this for other quests, especially when they're job-specific rewards?

I get that it's very specific and not everyone would deal with this, but for me turning in my Manderville upgrade quest for my BLM was annoying. I bought the items needed to upgrade and went to turn them in. Weapon needs to be in my inventory or armory chest. Switch jobs. No, you need to be 90. Switch jobs. No, you need to be the job whose weapon it is. I don't keep multiple weapons for one job 1) why would you? and, 2) my armory chest is full. So I did an extreme trial, used the weapon chest for BLM, switched weapons, and could do the quest.

It's only a couple minutes of my life so I'm not mad about it or anything, mostly confused. I suppose the same will be true with the tool quests of needing duplicate everything, but the armoury chest isn't large enough to handle it.

Suggestion: Let me turn in the relic and items as any job. There's no exp reward for it or anything that would *require* that I be a BLM.

It may be that the back end of the system needs you to be job X to give you corresponding weapon X, and it would go askew if you switched to a different job.

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Originally Posted by MinOfForest

I know there are other quests that are similarly impacted by this, but keeping my suggestion to the one I know for sure. With beast tribes I (kinda) understand why we need to be the class that we picked up the quest as. You want to give credit to the class that did the work because of scaling. Why do we need this for other quests, especially when they're job-specific rewards?

I get that it's very specific and not everyone would deal with this, but for me turning in my Manderville upgrade quest for my BLM was annoying. I bought the items needed to upgrade and went to turn them in. Weapon needs to be in my inventory or armory chest. Switch jobs. No, you need to be 90. Switch jobs. No, you need to be the job whose weapon it is. I don't keep multiple weapons for one job 1) why would you? and, 2) my armory chest is full. So I did an extreme trial, used the weapon chest for BLM, switched weapons, and could do the quest.

It's only a couple minutes of my life so I'm not mad about it or anything, mostly confused. I suppose the same will be true with the tool quests of needing duplicate everything, but the armoury chest isn't large enough to handle it.

Suggestion: Let me turn in the relic and items as any job. There's no exp reward for it or anything that would *require* that I be a BLM.

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job specific means job specific. they modify this system it could have very bad changes to the whole system they didn't want to change. the manderville weapon isn't annoying. you are just lazy. its a level 90 relic weapon so what sense does it make to be on any class below that level to get it. that would be like a level 25 able to get the base arr relic although its not for that class lol. doesn't make much sense. as for your armory inventory. take some time to go through that. take out stuff you aren't using or need and get rid of it. theres never a need to have that full ever. im going to guess you never changed the option to have new gear go to your inventory instead of armory chest. also, any relic you need to upgrade with a catalyst you have always needed to handover. thats why its good practice to keep some low level trash weapon for said class so you can do the trade in easily. honestly, manderville is foolproof and simple. you just lazy lol

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

White Knight Nonsense

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So, how much does SE pay you?

Yea that part is annoying for no good reason. I wish they would just let you upgrade the weapon without having to unequip it.

would be real nice if you did not need to have an additional sword or axe or whatever in inventory I agree to that

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

im going to guess you never changed the option to have new gear go to your inventory instead of armory chest.

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I really don't see the point in this suggestion. It just means that your inventory gets jam-packed instead of your armoury chest, and you need to manually check every piece of gear you receive.

If it goes into the armoury chest by default, either it's there and ready for the recommender to equip, or you just occasionally go through it and chuck unneeded pieces into the inventory then, instead of doing it constantly.

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Originally Posted by MinOfForest

I bought the items needed to upgrade and went to turn them in. Weapon needs to be in my inventory or armory chest. Switch jobs. No, you need to be 90. Switch jobs. No, you need to be the job whose weapon it is. I don't keep multiple weapons for one job 1) why would you? and, 2) my armory chest is full. So I did an extreme trial, used the weapon chest for BLM, switched weapons, and could do the quest.

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Here's why I might keep on-hand multiple weapons for a job: One weapon is what it's currently using. The others are the relics I'm working on for that job.

This only becomes a problem when the weapon the job is currently using is the relic.

For the Manderville weapons, after turning in the first enhancement quest, you unlock the replica vendor, who is right there. In the future, you can buy and equip a replica, turn in the quest, then trash the replica. (Another option is to do the same, but with the artifact weapon from Old Sharlayan.) Still a bit fiddly, for sure, but it saves space over always having a second weapon on-hand, and it doesn't require running an Extreme.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I really don't see the point in this suggestion. It just means that your inventory gets jam-packed instead of your armoury chest, and you need to manually check every piece of gear you receive.

If it goes into the armoury chest by default, either it's there and ready for the recommender to equip, or you just occasionally go through it and chuck unneeded pieces into the inventory then, instead of doing it constantly.

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the suggestion makes sense because alot of the time you end up with trash gear you never use. Also with the option with expert turnin with gc to hide your armory items its only natural setting it to your inventory makes sense. its easily dealt with. you can turn in or vendor stuff asap. it makes more sense then filling your armory up with trash you probably won't use. it also helps alleviate the issue the op is having.

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Originally Posted by Ravenblade1979

the suggestion makes sense because alot of the time you end up with trash gear you never use. Also with the option with expert turnin with gc to hide your armory items its only natural setting it to your inventory makes sense. its easily dealt with. you can turn in or vendor stuff asap. it makes more sense then filling your armory up with trash you probably won't use.

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But as I said, putting it in the inventory just means you fill your inventory with the same trash, except now it's taking up space that could be occupied by other types of items, and you're likely to miss out on noticing equipment that you can and will use – or would have used if you noticed you had it five levels ago.

The GC filter also lets you block out gear that is currently part of a gearset while leaving unused armoury chest items visible.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

But as I said, putting it in the inventory just means you fill your inventory with the same trash, except now it's taking up space that could be occupied by other types of items, and you're likely to miss out on noticing equipment that you can and will use – or would have used if you noticed you had it five levels ago.

The GC filter also lets you block out gear that is currently part of a gearset while leaving unused armoury chest items visible.

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the people who you fighting for have poor inventory management. please realize this.the fact you singled that out is amusing because so many of us use this feature.

honestly. this thread is about a player who wants a basegame plus 4 expansions worth of coding changed when it comes to job specific stuff like relics. the whole gripe is nonsense...yeah its a 90 relic..so why should a lower level class be able to get it. this whole game with EVERY RELIC its always been job specific and you had to switch to the class to get it done. you have always had relic steps you had to turn in the relic with a catalyst. this stuff is nothing new. theres no need to change a whole games system because one person would rather be lazy then take the couple extra seconds to switch a class to needed, equip a trash weapon then trade in relic with catalyst.

I wouldn't be surprised if they don't allow something equipped to be updated because your class is determined by your equipped weapon and they have some referential integrity in a database so they don't have a situation where someone has a class but no weapon.

And it could be that you need to be the job so the system can use that as a reference for which weapon to award you.

Just something for the future, you can get the artifact weapons from Sharlayan and then safety discard them after you do swap until the next step because you can always get them again easily.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

And it could be that you need to be the job so the system can use that as a reference for which weapon to award you.

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The system knows which job you're doing the quest on without you being on that job. How can you tell without seeing the code behind everything? The quest won't let you turn anything in unless you're on the right job. Therefore, the system does not need you to be on the right job for the system to know which weapon to give you.

end of it all: this change only is suggested to suit the ops needs of being lazy. this job specific system has been around since the start of this game. relics always required you to be on the proper class and at the proper level to get or advance it. op needs to take some serious time to clean up inventory and take those few extra seconds to equip the right job. its quicker and more efficient then logging into the forums and make a suggestion like this.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

How can you tell without seeing the code behind everything?

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Where did I ever say anything was an absolute?

"And it could be" is simply a guess at the way they may have something set up in their code or their database. There was nothing in what I said that said that *had* to be the way to do it.

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Originally Posted by TaleraRistain

Where did I ever say anything was an absolute?

"And it could be" is simply a guess at the way they may have something set up in their code or their database. There was nothing in what I said that said that *had* to be the way to do it.

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You misunderstood my post. I said:

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Originally Posted by Rongway

[1] The system knows which job you're doing the quest on without you being on that job. [2] How can you tell without seeing the code behind everything? [3] The quest won't let you turn anything in unless you're on the right job. [4] Therefore, the system does not need you to be on the right job for the system to know which weapon to give you.

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I made a statement 1.
I asked question 2 in reference to statement 1 to imply that I was about to tell you why I am certain that statement 1 is true.
I gave evidence for statement 1 in statement 3, self-answering question 2 in reference to statement 1.
Having given evidence that statement 1 is true, I then iterated the logical conclusion 4 which can be drawn when statement 1 is true.

Question 2 which you quote back at me has nothing to do with anything you said, though statement 1 and conclusion 4 do.

People defend THIS jank? Bonkers.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

You misunderstood my post. I said:

I made a statement 1.
I asked question 2 in reference to statement 1 to imply that I was about to tell you why I am certain that statement 1 is true.
I gave evidence for statement 1 in statement 3, self-answering question 2 in reference to statement 1.
Having given evidence that statement 1 is true, I then iterated the logical conclusion 4 which can be drawn when statement 1 is true.

Question 2 which you quote back at me has nothing to do with anything you said, though statement 1 and conclusion 4 do.

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Okay I see the where you were going with that statement. It's absolutely wrong. You can't tell what code is doing without seeing it yourself and having understanding of that flavor of language. Even if you think you understand from how something is behaving. Management at my work especially thinks they understand what's in the code from application behavior to the user (and get snotty when I have to point out it doesn't work like that) and they're always dead wrong.

A lot of people on these very forums criticized SE over the housing lottery bug thinking they understood what it was doing and they were wrong.

Not saying your take may not be correct. Just that we're all surmising since we can't see the code, the databases, the interactions with other systems, etc.