i am Begging for dedicated crafting material storage

especially one that you can draw from while crafting without having to enter and back out of retainers 20 times as you figure out what you need, please. the materials take up so much space in the retainers, even with a purchase of an extra retainer that my friend made, there is so much between all the expansions. i am not hoarding Everything, but trying to craft my own gear and accessories as i level as well as keep things for glamours and possibly furniture or other crafts, there is just so much. i don't know what to DO :( running out of space and holding onto things and gathering things is so frustrating because of the limited retainer space (i am not buying extra retainers and have only the base two, sorry). crafting and gathering would be so much less stressful if we had a dedicated storage space for materials! is it please possible?

arent up to 10 retainers enough? I got one with ores only, one with lumbers only, one with materia, baits, furnitures, etc. and everything fits fine

The real question is, why are you hoarding all this material instead of farming when you need it or completing the crafts you intend to do?

I know I got full retainers because of the latter for log and because I am lazy, but I am not exactly a role model for this.

i only got two retainers and im fine, stop hoarding all that junk thats worth nothing or one digit Gil.

The answer given for this discussion is that we will NEVER have single purpose storage.
That's why we don't have a bait box.
That's why we will never have crafting storage.

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Originally Posted by boopadoop

to make gear for leveling up alt jobs as or when i need it, and for friends, and for leveling up with GC turn-ins, and materials for crystarium deliveries, and materials for glamours i hope to make eventually, and food, etc, etc, there's a lot. i'm not buying even more retainers and i am struggling to hold all these materials. i'm not even hoarding *everything* and have sold a bunch of things. but i'm not a crafter/gatherer main, it thas been taking a handful of hrs to go gather everything i need to craft GC turn-in items for one day only, it's so time-consuming to gather as i need it. and the retainers hold other things besides crafting materials too. i dont really think people should have to buy extra retainers to add onto the cost of their sub to make space for crafting as they level everything for gear for battle classes and crafting/gathering and other things, not even considering furniture :T

material (for overmelding esp) and dyes take up a lot of space too

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That's why you shouldn't hoard things. You're assigning inventory space to things that you don't currently need while there is no room to store the things you do currently need.

Unless you're crafting specific things on a regular basis to sell on the MB for profit, don't store materials for future use unless they're rare and expensive (by which I mean things like Calf Leather and Mist Silk levels of rare and expensive).

Buy the materials when you need them. Most are pretty cheap on the MB or a vendor so you can get them on demand. If prices are higher than you like, that's when you want to gather them yourself. Remember that your time is also worth something - no point spending 15 minutes gathering materials you can buy for 10k when you could have spent that 15 minutes doing things that would have earned you 100k.

Dyes - only ones worth keeping on hand are Pure White and Jet Black because of the rarity. The rest are either cheap or quick to obtain with a little effort. If you mostly/always use the same dye on specific items, make sure you've dyed the item before you put it into your glamour dresser (or take it out, dye it, then put it back in). That way you don't need to keep dozens of dyes for each time you reapply the glamour.

Materia - DoM/DoW materia is simple. Unless you're actively doing current end game EX/Savage/Ultimate or need it for current stage of relic weapon progression, get rid of it. You don't need it and it's totally useless when you are ilvl synced in content. DoH/DoL is similar - it's mainly useful if you're doing current Master/Expert recipes. It can helpful while leveling if you are undergeared for the level of the recipes you're doing or items you're gathering. In both cases, most materia is cheap enough that you might as well buy what you need when you need it instead of storing it against a future use that never happens. Keep it if it's selling for 5-10k each (or more). Get rid of it when it's selling for 200-300.

Players have a bad tendency to hang onto things because maybe they'll use them later but then run out of room for the things they need now. Don't fall into that trap. Don't forget to also clear your inventory of all the random potions, food items, magicked prisms, etc. that we get as quest rewards thinking that we might remember to use them one day (and usually don't).

Doubling the inventory is urgently needed in Final Fantasy 14! This allows you to keep materials for multiple recipes that are running particularly often. Relief would also bring automatic taking of materials from inventory of assistants when executing recipes. Everything else leads to awkward moving of materials between inventory, assistant and chocobo bag. Likewise circumstances caused by the sale and repurchase of materials. We play Final Fantasy and no accounting in managing insufficient disk space.
I always clear out materials before every major expansion. Help from the program would be helpful here. It requires expert knowledge of the purpose for which objects exist. A lot of stuff comes from older content where few care anymore about the rewards that come with it. It takes some experience to assess which things are valuable and should not be deleted or sold. Newcomers in particular cannot assess this and keep everything possible as a precaution.

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Originally Posted by GlowClam

It takes some experience to assess which things are valuable and should not be deleted or sold. Newcomers in particular cannot assess this and keep everything possible as a precaution.

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It takes a 5 second search of the market board to assess which things are valuable. Newcomers in particular should learn this simple fact so they can avoid clogging up their inventory with easy to replace and cheap items. As a long time player i have an idea which types of materials are annoying to re-attain. But when i have even a shadow of doubt i do a price check. Annoying to get myself but cheap to buy = just buy dont hoard.

I have an idea for something like this.

There are zones with their own dedicated inventory. Eureka and Bozja both have their own storage for skills and consumables. Island Sanctuary has it's own inventory as well.

So if we can't have a storage for materials under normal conditions - can't we have some sort of workshop instead? A special zone with it's own inventory which you can only access from inside that workshop, where you can store materials and can craft? Of course directly from that special inventory, so no need to transfer stuff back and forth all the time.

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Originally Posted by Tint

I have an idea for something like this.

There are zones with their own dedicated inventory. Eureka and Bozja both have their own storage for skills and consumables. Island Sanctuary has it's own inventory as well.

So if we can't have a storage for materials under normal conditions - can't we have some sort of workshop instead? A special zone with it's own inventory which you can only access from inside that workshop, where you can store materials and can craft? Of course directly from that special inventory, so no need to transfer stuff back and forth all the time.

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The problem isn't them not wanting to not create space or add pages, the problem is that every item slot is essentially an element in a table within a database for each character. Whether this space is your inventory, saddlebag, armoury chest, bozja chest, eureka logos, etc. it is dedicated space for your character and your character only that needs to stay allocated in the case of you wanting to access it. It is also why they really don't want to make raid tokens for example as dedicated currency in the currency tab rather than being an item.

To save computing power, they essentially limited where you can open what at a time so it isn't loaded when not in need.

Simply put - all of this is space somewhere on a harddrive in a server that requires space on one end, and something that needs to be accessed with code somewhere else. This costs money or risks unstable infrastructure.

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Originally Posted by boopadoop

especially one that you can draw from while crafting without having to enter and back out of retainers 20 times as you figure out what you need, please. the materials take up so much space in the retainers, even with a purchase of an extra retainer, there is so much between all the expansions. i am not hoarding Everything, but trying to craft my own gear and accessories as i level as well as keep things for glamours and possibly furniture or other crafts, there is just so much. i don't know what to DO :( running out of space and holding onto things and gathering things is so frustrating because of the limited retainer space. crafting and gathering would be so much less stressful if we had a dedicated storage space for materials! is it please possible?

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Only save what you need and is annoying to get by... if you have a stack of 20 or something of whatever ore... just sell it off, you can easy get those things back again, also you can get a bunch more retainers, however ONLY save what you need and or eg. materials bought with other currency such as Grand Company seals etc.

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Originally Posted by boopadoop

especially one that you can draw from while crafting without having to enter and back out of retainers 20 times as you figure out what you need, please. the materials take up so much space in the retainers, even with a purchase of an extra retainer, there is so much between all the expansions.

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You have infinite storage, in a way.

There's a place you can store items. Deposit your items, get gil. Then when you want to retrieve the item, you pay gil. Sometimes you pay a little more than when you deposited it. Sometimes you pay less.

It's called the marketboard. Dump your stuff. Don't hold anything you aren't using in the very near-term. You can also stop paying for all those extra retainers if you aren't carrying the entire catalog of gathered and crafted materials on your retainers.

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Originally Posted by boopadoop

as a newbie to this side of the game it's very overwhelming to get into crafting and gathering and i just think it would be a massive QoL change if something was done. even higher level crafts use a lot of lower level materials so if you dump them all just because you outlvl the material means having to go back and lksfgkjsdlf TIME-CONSUMING

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We understand how overwhelming it can be. We were all new players once upon a time. We all had to learn the system.

But I have the advantage of experience to know that most materials are not worth keeping if I make a new character and level crafting/gathering. This is a chance for you to learn from our experience.

We've been told flat out by SE there will never be crafting material specific inventory. When they're able to increase inventory space, it will be general inventory. We're passing that information to you.

We learned that hoarding does not help. The additional time spent trying to juggle current inventory is just as bad if not worse than the time spent to acquire materials when needed. The only things worth keeping are the rare materials or the materials you are using regularly.

The demand for lower level materials in higher level gear recipes is minimal. It's really not worth keeping them on hand for later, especially if you're buying most of your gear with Poetics.

If you're insistent on keeping materials regardless, at least make use of the "Search Recipes Using This Material" subcommand. Make certain there is a higher level recipe that you will be crafting and that does require the material, and that you're going to need enough of the material to be worth reserving an inventory space for a stack of it. It's not worth it if you're going to need 2 Darksteel Nuggets to make a single piece of gear and that's it. In that you have an advantage over us - that Search feature is a relatively new addition to the game. You'll start getting a better idea of just how little those materials will be getting used in higher level recipes.

I should add that since you're on Marilith, there are going to be times that the Dynamis marketboards will not have enough of what you need. I've run into that problem with my Marilith characters on occasion. Make use of data center travel to get bargain prices on a lot of crafting materials, and bring back extra to sell for profit to others who will also need those materials.

The Universalis website is a big help for finding the material bargains. https://universalis.app/
I'm frequently picking up stacks of materials that sell for 3k+ each on Marilith for 500 each on Primal or Crystal (Aether prices tend to be bad compared to those 2). Unless I've got a huge shopping list, I'm usually there and back in less than 5 minutes. I use what I need then sell the rest.

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Originally Posted by boopadoop

i am Begging for dedicated crafting material storage

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The devs have explained over and over why they won't do this.

Basically, they don't want to arbitrarily limit what you can store where. If they ever manage to increase inventory sizes they want to make it usable for EVERYTHING, rather than limit it to just bait, or crafting mats, or whatever.

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Originally Posted by GlowClam

It takes some experience to assess which things are valuable and should not be deleted or sold.

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If it just sits in your inventory forever and you don’t use it, it brings no value anyway. Right click-> check what you can craft. Check the MB if you want. If something has been sitting in your inventory for months, you don’t need it. Do it as you go, don’t wait till you have a long list of items. I only keep a few mats for what I currently craft regularly. When I get the one off rare mat, I check the MB to see if it is better to craft or sell as is.

As for fashion report, about 90% of the time it’s dyes sold by Namabe and gear from dungeons, cheap stuff from Gwalter and/or sub items. You only need 100pts once for the achievement after that 80pts is all you need for max reward. Keeping mats for this is useless.

Get rid of old trophies and books that sit in your inventory.

If 10 retainers are not enough (no reason it’s not enough - you are hoarding), create an alt, level it up till you get access to retainers, put it in the same fc and send items to your alt via the fc chest. That will add 10 more retainers for free.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Get rid of old trophies and books that sit in your inventory.

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Seriously. Also the old story-mode raid parts. If you have the mount from an extreme trials, toss the totems. Any raid that is pre-80, I'd definitely toss all the books/tokens/parts etc. If you have extra rare FATE parts (like David Beads, Chi Bolts, Formidable Gears, Couerlregina horns - toss all of those if you already earned it.

I bet a player could easily fill a retainer with all of this junk. Possibly two.