A question about Novice Netowrk etiquette and certian mentors

I've been having trouble latley in my own servers novice network, with certian mentors kicking me for reasons that I don't think are legitimate. So I wanted ask here if they were.

The main reason I seam to be getting kicked, is when i ask for help clearing any kind of content, or if i ask to help another person clear any certain kind of content. I am being removed on the grounds that its not ok to post a party finder in the novice netowrk, or that its not ok to ask for help on savages, or post the pfs of others who ened help, even just with msq.

Does anybody know if these kicking grounds are justified, or unjustified.
sometimes i find too, after my kick expires 3 hours later, i am instantly kicked again before i say anything, the moment I join.

I have reported this mentor, but so far after 4 months it's not lead to any kind of action, and it keeps happening, i would like some help. thankyou! :D

Well how did you go about asking your requests? Are you posting one time and wait for interested people to respond or do you post your requests multiple times until someone answers? The former should be fine, the latter can get you kicked very easily.

hello!

if i was to post the part finder. i post it a single time with some text next to it like : hello, can anybody help this new player clear this duty for his msq.

if its my own pf i might say : hello, are there any players free who can help me clear this fight.

both of these posts have gotten me instantly kicked, with the justification being : you shouldnt post your own pfs or any pfs in NN

Every server has its own, albeit weird, Novice Network rules. Unfortunately, the clique of friends ~~mentors~~ that are loudest usually run the server's novice network and decide the rules. I don't agree with this kick, but it would seem that they have that as a policy for whatever reason. I imagine you were likely doing this multiple times and were told to stop once so they now kick you on sight. Again I don't agree with the rule so there's probably a missing piece to the story for them to feel this way towards you. My best advice is that if they are kicking you on sight, to world visit to another server and engage with Novice Networks elsewhere.

You would never be kicked on Marilith's NN for that.

But every NN has its own rules.

There are no specific rules as to what is and isn't allowed in Novice Network other than the regular ToS rules that apply in any chat channel in the game. The main and only purpose for Novice Network is to help new players. Asking for other players help in filling a party for a specific duty falls under that. So long as you don't repeatedly spam the novice network with your issue it's perfectly fine as a new player to ask for help for a duty in novice network as that is literally its purpose - to help new players.

The mentors that kicked you are pricks and likely view the Novice Network as their own global chat. Welcome to Novice Network. If I had to describe it in a single sentence it'd be: Imagine if FFXIV had Reddit integration.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

I've been having trouble latley in my own servers novice network, with certian mentors kicking me for reasons that I don't think are legitimate. So I wanted ask here if they were.

The main reason I seam to be getting kicked, is when i ask for help clearing any kind of content, or if i ask to help another person clear any certain kind of content. I am being removed on the grounds that its not ok to post a party finder in the novice netowrk, or that its not ok to ask for help on savages, or post the pfs of others who ened help, even just with msq.

Does anybody know if these kicking grounds are justified, or unjustified.
sometimes i find too, after my kick expires 3 hours later, i am instantly kicked again before i say anything, the moment I join.

I have reported this mentor, but so far after 4 months it's not lead to any kind of action, and it keeps happening, i would like some help. thankyou! :D

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I know what you can do .... here's the quick fix .... black list everyone that kicks you and ...... and .... all the people they talk to in the novice network ..... then anyone who kicks you or knows you've been kicked cannot see your posts .... (100%fix) I blacklisted 20 mentors and 10 sprouts before I could post securely... p.s. blacklist the talkers as well. They are the one who post stuff that doesn't relate to helping sprouts.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

I know what you can do .... here's the quick fix .... black list everyone that kicks you and ...... and .... all the people they talk to in the novice network ..... then anyone who kicks you or knows you've been kicked cannot see your posts .... (100%fix) I blacklisted 20 mentors and 10 sprouts before I could post securely... p.s. blacklist the talkers as well. They are the one who post stuff that doesn't relate to helping sprouts.

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i think bl is only 1 way. i have asked this person to bl me 3-4 times now but they refuse

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

i think bl is only 1 way. i have asked this person to bl me 3-4 times now but they refuse

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It is. You blacklist someone, they can see your posts but you can't see theirs. That about the only effect of BL. Personally, I find that the NN on my server is such a cesspool that I don't want to invite anyone to it and I have removed my own mentor crown on my main (will not become mentor on my alts. I like to help but NN is too often plain barbaric).

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

then sagacious's plan would not work, surley?

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Sagacious probably just can't see the crap being posted lol

As for OP, I;d just start a PF saying they are new and would like help clearing some content.

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Originally Posted by Toutatis

Sagacious probably just can't see the crap being posted lol

As for OP, I;d just start a PF saying they are new and would like help clearing some content.

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Wait I was being kicked everytime I logged in to the NN then I started blacklisting every mentor who made a comment and those talkers I was talking about my earlier post. The result is that no one kicked me after that.. so if they can see my post and I cannot see there's why didn't I get kicked as soon as I entered the novice network?? answer this??? and guess what I was posting??? kick me now mutha fuckrs never got kicked...

This would have looked better in comic sans

Blacklists are only one way. If I blacklist you, I cannot see what you say. However they can still see what I say. Blacklisting also does not prevent you from getting queued together through duty finder or partied together in Party Finder. You won't see their PFs, but they can still join parties you join.

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Originally Posted by sindriiisgaming

The main reason I seam to be getting kicked, is when i ask for help clearing any kind of content, or if i ask to help another person clear any certain kind of content. I am being removed on the grounds that its not ok to post a party finder in the novice netowrk, or that its not ok to ask for help on savages, or post the pfs of others who ened help, even just with msq.

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It is ok to ask for help or to post Party Finders, and although new players do sometimes do old extreme and savage with synced or MINE settings, it's better for these adverts to be for clearing the MSQ because it's not an endgame content chat. It's the opposite of that, a new player chat, and making it look like it's a veteran chat full of savage adverts is not making it presentable.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

Wait I was being kicked everytime I logged in to the NN then I started blacklisting every mentor who made a comment and those talkers I was talking about my earlier post. The result is that no one kicked me after that.. so if they can see my post and I cannot see there's why didn't I get kicked as soon as I entered the novice network?? answer this??? and guess what I was posting??? kick me now mutha fuckrs never got kicked...

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Try it with a friend. It is only one way.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

Wait I was being kicked everytime I logged in to the NN then I started blacklisting every mentor who made a comment and those talkers I was talking about my earlier post. The result is that no one kicked me after that.. so if they can see my post and I cannot see there's why didn't I get kicked as soon as I entered the novice network?? answer this??? and guess what I was posting??? kick me now mutha fuckrs never got kicked...

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We don't know why they're not kicking you. However it is an undisputable fact that people you blacklist can still see your messages. I've tested it. Other people have tested it. Blacklisting in this game only does four things.
1: You can't see their messages or Party Finders.
2: They can't /tell you.
3: They can't friend request you.
4: They're able to see your Party Finders but if they attempt to join they get an error message (only if you're the Party Leader).

That's it. If you ask me, the blacklist system in this game is garbage and in need of some improvement.

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Originally Posted by Remish

You won't see their PFs, but they can still join parties you join.

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Now the question is, can they see your PF requests? Blacklisting prevents them being able to join your PF, and maybe therefor also hides it in chat (which could therefor work to avoid getting kicked).

But in the end, if someone is doing a PF request for a duty they have never done, they should be considered a novice for that duty, so if they get kicked, its mentor abuse. Best is to report those that kick for it, since its usualy only a small group trying to dictate others. Enough reports against those people, and they will be punished for it.

There is a reason why on some worlds the NN is considered a joke... and its mostly those people that kick for false reasons.

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Originally Posted by Pratini

You would never be kicked on Marilith's NN for that.

But every NN has its own rules.

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This. People link PFs for MSQ content all the time in the Mari NN.

I recently restarted the game with a new character I think quite a few are.
Currently I am moving into Storm Blood, I haven't had any issues simply putting up PF's.
I have cleared every fight up to this point including Extreme's (Unsync), Normally takes at most 10 Min before someone joins my PF's.
(Make sure the PF has Unrestricted Party checked, and you have Unrestricted Party check in duty finder First)

You could try data center hopping, Aether is far more kind about this type of thing.

Personally I hate the mentor system as it is, but I could see why they would be mad about posting PF's in NN.
The NN is over flooded with crafting "Mentors" which takes almost nothing to obtain.
Many of them Rushed to end game themselves.

If you are trying to do every fight synced, Then people will defiantly be upset very few people actually know lower level fights.
Its asking a Big time sink for almost no reward, and they will still have to carry because of the way Higher ilvl gear syncs down.
Most don't mind helping for lore, or even mounts, but if you ask for a lot of time it comes across as selfish.
(Black list is both ways, they cant see your PF's or messages, And you can't see theirs)

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Now the question is, can they see your PF requests? Blacklisting prevents them being able to join your PF, and maybe therefor also hides it in chat (which could therefor work to avoid getting kicked).

But in the end, if someone is doing a PF request for a duty they have never done, they should be considered a novice for that duty, so if they get kicked, its mentor abuse. Best is to report those that kick for it, since its usualy only a small group trying to dictate others. Enough reports against those people, and they will be punished for it.

There is a reason why on some worlds the NN is considered a joke... and its mostly those people that kick for false reasons.

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I know they use to be able to see yours. Your name use to be faded out in the PF but it would still show up. I believe this might have been changed not that long ago but I'm not 100% sure.

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Originally Posted by SassyAssassin

This would have looked better in comic sans

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i actually tried to put it in that text lol

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Originally Posted by Remish

I know they use to be able to see yours. Your name use to be faded out in the PF but it would still show up. I believe this might have been changed not that long ago but I'm not 100% sure.

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you can see
> there messages
> there location
> there PF posts
> there shouts/yells and comments in NN.

they can que into duties with you and they can even be on your friendslist.

blacklist is literally just like sticking your head in an oven and screaming so you cant hear anything

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Originally Posted by sagacious

Wait I was being kicked everytime I logged in to the NN then I started blacklisting every mentor who made a comment and those talkers I was talking about my earlier post. The result is that no one kicked me after that.. so if they can see my post and I cannot see there's why didn't I get kicked as soon as I entered the novice network?? answer this??? and guess what I was posting??? kick me now mutha fuckrs never got kicked...

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe its a coincidence.
Maybe they blocked you.

Who knows.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

Wait I was being kicked everytime I logged in to the NN then I started blacklisting every mentor who made a comment and those talkers I was talking about my earlier post. The result is that no one kicked me after that.. so if they can see my post and I cannot see there's why didn't I get kicked as soon as I entered the novice network?? answer this??? and guess what I was posting??? kick me now mutha fuckrs never got kicked...

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ur lucky u didnt get banned tbh going on like that

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Originally Posted by Smollett

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Maybe its a concidence.
Maybe they blocked you.

Who knows.

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i would have

The only reason for the NN is for mentors to help out new players or returners with duties or answering questions. If you ask for help and get kicked for it that mentor should get banned and not allowed on the NN again.

If you believe you were wronged, you can report to GM's. But keep in mind they will actually review what has happened and if you were spamming over and over for help on the same duty then they won't do anything. If you just asked for help and were nice about it then the mentor is in the wrong and they will probably be warned/banned.

I'll give you the benefit of the doubt but if it's all the NN mentors doing this to you it's likely got some ground. People rarely become this hostile without a reason. Only you would know, and if you genuinely feel wronged just GM it. They do care in this game.

What's super annoying though is when people play a very disingenuous game where they try to be as annoying as possible to the NN while still hiding behind the plausible deniability of being the most innocent soul ever just to bait a negative response from the chat and then shame and decry mentors as terrible people. Just FYI you are not being smart and everyone can see through it, its just most don't bother with you and some get frustrated enough to take the bait and engage the troll, thus rewarding him.

That's absolutely bizarre. I can say with certainty that across every single server on Materia, you would never be kicked for that. In fact, mentors here will routinely go digging through PF and link random PFs to NN - especially for MSQ progression.

I wouldn't say it is a reason to be kicked, but it also depends how often it is being utilized.

There's a lot of content out there that you can just run in Duty Finder. Queue up for what you need (dungeons, story trials, etc) and duty finder will populate it with other people that need it or people running roulettes. Using a Party Finder for things like that... is just trying to "jump the line." Party Finder makes more sense for content that simply won't be filled by duty finder... or content that is being run for a certain reason. For example... running a dungeon for a Blue Mage spell or a Triple Triad card - unsync'd.

If the OP is just looking for a carry for content that could be run in duty finder, I sort of understand where the NN mentors are coming from. I can't say I agree though. There are probably other ways to handle it. But, if a player is putting up a PF for Sastasha, then skipping cutscenes and then 5 minutes later asking for help clearing Tam Tara, then Copperbell... etc etc all the way up to Endwalker content, I could see that being annoying and unnecessary.

I’m not in game now so please double check this info

I suggest that if you get kicked again, take screenshots of not only what you said in the NN before the kick as well as a screenshot of the reason a mentor gave when you are kicked. I can’t remember the exact setting you need to have in order for it to appear in chat

I suggest this so you can then report that mentor if you feel you are being intentionally targeted or harassed. Being able to clearly explain what has been happening will hopefully get it looked at.