Summoner vs Dancer Debate Pt.2 Fun?

Which class of the two that you think is the most fun mechanically and gameplay-wise, in both PvP/PvE?

Of the two, I prefer dancer because it has far fewer blinding effects. Summoner makes it hard to actually see what's going on half the time unless you turn off most of the effects.

Dancer. It's my favorite support job in the game. I enjoy how it feels weaving between dances, dashing out of AOEs, supporting my dance partner and teammates, etc. Plus, LB3 for dancer is a gorgeous sight (if you're not sensitive to light).

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

Which class of the two that you think is the most fun mechanically and gameplay-wise, in both PVP/PvE?

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Going with my g.f (as I have neither) dancer allows her to be willy nilly running around and doing damage and has dashes while summoner she has to cast and can't be as free always to move

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

Going with my g.f (as I have neither) dancer allows her to be willy nilly running around and doing damage and has dashes while summoner she has to cast and can't be as free always to move

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so ironically, at 90, Samurai (a melee class) has more castbars than Summoner

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

Going with my g.f (as I have neither) dancer allows her to be willy nilly running around and doing damage and has dashes while summoner she has to cast and can't be as free always to move

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What? Summoner has a grand total of three casts every minute and a half or so. And you can swiftcast one of them.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

What? Summoner has a grand total of three casts every minute and a half or so. And you can swiftcast one of them.

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Of course, as soon as you do, both healers will get murdered by a cleave and you'll have to stop and hard-cast a raise or risk a wipe.

At least, that's how it always works out for me.

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

Which class of the two that you think is the most fun mechanically and gameplay-wise, in both PvP/PvE?

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Neither, they're both about as fun as watching paint dry. Summoner spells certainly look cool though I'll give it that.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Of course, as soon as you do, both healers will get murdered by a cleave and you'll have to stop and hard-cast a raise or risk a wipe.

At least, that's how it always works out for me.

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That's why I don't even bother using Swiftcast with anything but res. I've only leveled Summoner up to 70 so far, but is there another spell that should be swiftcasted?

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

That's why I don't even bother using Swiftcast with anything but res. I've only leveled Summoner up to 70 so far, but is there another spell that should be swiftcasted?

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one of your Gaurda thingamajiggers

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Originally Posted by MahthildisMMORPG

one of your Gaurda thingamajiggers

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Oh, wow! I'm gonna try that next time.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Of course, as soon as you do, both healers will get murdered by a cleave and you'll have to stop and hard-cast a raise or risk a wipe.

At least, that's how it always works out for me.

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Sometimes it requires reading the room, for sure. If it feels like things could get dicey (or they have already) then yeah, it's best to hold onto that Swiftcast. I have it hardwired into my brain to use it with Garuda, so sometimes I end up using it anyway.

But on topic...it all comes down to what people enjoy. Some like Dancer, while some do not. Same goes with Summoner.

I just loooove Dancer so much! It's so fun, like Simon Says and it's my favorite ff class of all time. Even in end-game content, I enjoy it so much and find it easy for clears.
Like, when I first heard of FF, I was like "I wanna be a Dancer", and I installed the game years ago with the sole intention of playing the class. Especially with its playstyle. So like, I started with Black Mage at 30, went to Dragoon and leveled it up in POTD to 60 (where my POTD love came from, this will be relevant later), and then, I was able to unlock Dancer. And man, I was so happy to get to play my favorite class that I never played before until then. And I've played it ever since, even a bit exclusively. However, as someone with Autism who struggle to socialize with people both online and offline, I always saw myself in and out of FCs, WoW guilds, and almost every community game, I often ended up leaving, kicked, and simply not fitting in. (I also used to Dance a lot irl, and used to be my favorite pastimes back in school)

So, my love for Deep Dungeons grew and grew, and is the reason I came back to FF each time because it was the only content where I could create goals for myself, look cool in, enjoy, and do solo. And man, when I first started FF, the Edda storyline really broke my heart. And man, once Crystaline Conflict came out and I saw that Dark Souls set, I was like broooo! And I love PvP games and PvP in games, so I had to get it. And I never seem to take it off, even now. So, Deep Dungeons always made me feel like, part of the FF community and didn't force me to interact with other people unless it was for floor 51 team runs. But even though, those interactions were quaint. And of course, as you all know, I played Dancer for PvP and Deep Dungeons, because duuuh, favorite class, and I find it so fun!!!

However, I've come into a crossroads, ENDWALKER SUMMONER! The absolute S tier gigachad god tier rework that made it one of the most braindead and broken classes in Deep Dungeons and even really good in PvP and other forms of PvE. And I'm like, I gotta get in on this, how am I, a filthy Dancing Calcabrina supposed to compete with this, another easy class like my waifu class? bah! No way this is my rival? right? right? This always brought me to a crossroad, because, as the lesser rainbow lightbright class, we do less damage, we are sucky at Deeps, sucky at PvP, meh at PvE. So I often see myself comparing my favorite class to Summoner.

So, I bought a boost, played Summoner, and yeah, big deeps, pretty fun, but it somehow doesn't scratch that entertainment itch Dancer has. With Dancer I feel like an anime character, and man, with I do my burst (i know it by heart), seeing the lights, feathers, and birbs, I can just see a monster is gonna get face rolled. Man, I love Dancer.

I wanna play the meta, but, Dancer is my waifu.

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Originally Posted by ronibosch

Oh, wow! I'm gonna try that next time.

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https://www.thebalanceffxiv.com/jobs...r/basic-guide/

I'll give y'all one guess about my choice. uwu

Dancer, because it's one of the very few jobs that have any kind of reactionary actions, and the only job with direct synergy with the party due to dance partner.

Summoner is the most sterile and boring 'selfish DPS' of not only XIV but any mainstream MMORPG. But hey, braindead rotation, no need to remember your party exists, and flashy bang bang woosh shzaan wham woo visuals. Perfect for the average XIV fan who thinks raids are toxic.

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Originally Posted by Rolder50

What? Summoner has a grand total of three casts every minute and a half or so. And you can swiftcast one of them.

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Don't ask me I've never played either. She just doesn't like the casting and prefers the freedom of movement of dancer

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Originally Posted by ReynTime

Dancer, because it's one of the very few jobs that have any kind of reactionary actions, and the only job with direct synergy with the party due to dance partner.

Summoner is the most sterile and boring 'selfish DPS' of not only XIV but any mainstream MMORPG. But hey, braindead rotation, no need to remember your party exists, and flashy bang bang woosh shzaan wham woo visuals. Perfect for the average XIV fan who thinks raids are toxic.

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That's got to be the worst take I've ever read on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Mcg55ss

Don't ask me I've never played either. She just doesn't like the casting and prefers the freedom of movement of dancer

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I really believe that's what this debate boils down to. Do you like casting or not?

If you like being a caster, you'll find summoner more fun. If you don't like being a caster, you'll enjoy dancer.

Depends on the person, really. I enjoy simple jobs, so both Summoner and Dancer are fine for me. Others might like Dancer more because it's less brain dead.

In PvP, I don't care for either. I mainly do Frontlines and I find ranged jobs are impossible to play due to their poor damage reduction. It allows Ninjas to simply teleport beside you, chop you down to half HP and then LB execute you before you can even react.

Omei was shinderu

The real class is Warrior :)

Dancer is one of the only jobs in the game with any kind of reactive gameplay, I definitely enjoy that more than summoner.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

If you like being a caster, you'll find summoner more fun.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

That's got to be the worst take I've ever read on these forums.

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Originally Posted by Amenara

Dancer is one of the only jobs in the game with any kind of reactive gameplay, I definitely enjoy that more than summoner.

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Good for you! I feel, after a person has maxed one job, that they should try out as many new jobs as they can to determine what else they may enjoy.

After I had maxed WHM and SCH, I was pleasantly surprised that I also enjoyed SMN, RPR, & BLM (of all things!) I also found I liked tanking but I'm not certain if GNB is for me. It's too busy. I want something a bit slower.

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Originally Posted by Kacho_Nacho

That's got to be the worst take I've ever read on these forums.

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My point is that individuals tend to like particular roles and like to stick to the jobs within those roles out of habit. It takes effort to break out of that mindset. Hence, why I said casters would prefer summoners and non-casters would prefer dancers.

*Plus, I was annoyed that a certain poster came into this thread and did the equivalent of defecating all over it for a +1.