PSO2: Creative Space - What fully instanced in FFXIV could possibly look like

Please SE, just introduce fully instanced housing for every player:
PSO2 Creative Space: https://youtu.be/DDnVx_KFyw4

Every player in PSO2 will get:
One full sized space with all its features for free
Premiums get a second instanced space in case they wanted two for some reason

The land in Creative Space can be terraformed as well

Keep existing ward housing for the players who want to fight it out for exclusive/flex houses or whatever.

I have a feeling though, majority of players would prefer, fully instanced housing, like PSO2's Creative Space that every player can get.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Please SE, just introduce fully instanced housing for every player:
PSO2 Creative Space: https://youtu.be/DDnVx_KFyw4

Every player in PSO2 will get:
One full sized space with all its features for free
Premiums get a second instanced space in case they wanted two for some reason

The land in Creative Space can be terraformed as well

Keep existing ward housing for the players who want to fight it out for exclusive/flex houses or whatever.

I have a feeling though, majority of players would prefer, fully instanced housing, like PSO2's Creative Space that every player can get.

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If instanced housing ever reaches FFXIV, be ready for more "premium" features

I doubt we’ll ever see housing that lets us truly build like that… would be awesome, but it would probably require a lot of resources. I’d settle for just adding on instanced versions of existing plots, where everything works the same as it does now, but maybe, just maybe, the addition of an xyz axis finally for ward and instanced housing. lol

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Please SE, just introduce fully instanced housing for every player:
PSO2 Creative Space: https://youtu.be/DDnVx_KFyw4

Every player in PSO2 will get:
One full sized space with all its features for free
Premiums get a second instanced space in case they wanted two for some reason

The land in Creative Space can be terraformed as well

Keep existing ward housing for the players who want to fight it out for exclusive/flex houses or whatever.

I have a feeling though, majority of players would prefer, fully instanced housing, like PSO2's Creative Space that every player can get.

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Hi, i'd like to introduce you to game engines...and one of the worst at that being the one FF14 uses...

i would like to see an instanced housing alternative that works along side wards but one that relates to something similar to what we have now. I don't particularly care for what is shown in that video. It might be appropriate for that game but not here in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by TwistedTea

Please SE, just introduce fully instanced housing for every player:
PSO2 Creative Space: https://youtu.be/DDnVx_KFyw4

Every player in PSO2 will get:
One full sized space with all its features for free
Premiums get a second instanced space in case they wanted two for some reason

The land in Creative Space can be terraformed as well

Keep existing ward housing for the players who want to fight it out for exclusive/flex houses or whatever.

I have a feeling though, majority of players would prefer, fully instanced housing, like PSO2's Creative Space that every player can get.

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Wow! Just WOW! Mao really likes! Mao could make proper dragon lair for Mao!

You do realize FF14 is a +10y old game with a dogshit engine, right?

This is honestly what apartments should be.

Yeah I'm hyped for Creative Space. Gonna spend a lot of time building stuff when that drops.

More people should give PSO2 some attention. It doesn't have a huge amount of content but could get a bigger budget if it gained more users. It's free to download and play.

Sonic Frontiers (also by Sega) sold unexpectedly high numbers, caused them to recruit a bigger team for the next Sonic and increase pay by 30% to be more competitive.

Just know that PSO2 NGS story is very shallow and pointless so it's a deal-breaker if story is important to you. But the combat feels good, the create a character is very customisable, and the housing will be too.

I can't believe it took NGS almost 2 years to add new content

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I can't believe it took NGS almost 2 years to add new content

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Calling NGS content rather than a Sonic overworld prototype is kinda rad tbh. Is extremely hit or miss to me.

If we wanted instanced housing, we would be playing other games. We play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. No one cares about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

If we wanted instanced housing, we would be playing other games. We play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. No one cares about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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If that were true, we wouldn’t be seeing so many topics devoted to it. We can keep wards and have instanced. Why not pursue an option that would allow everyone to enjoy housing?

And honestly the most active neighborhoods I see are where an FC has a house, and its members are clustered in the houses around it, which is rare these days and difficult to achieve with both the lotto and ward restrictions. In my neighborhood, I see next to no one on a regular basis.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

If we wanted instanced housing, we would be playing other games. We play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. No one cares about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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This is another type of "You think you do, but you dont", people want instanced housing, but for them to enjoy it, ward housing would have to be removed too, so it's useless on its own, and they sure as hell arent going to remove everyone's house because people are too stubborn and refuse to move to Dynamis.

So people will keep trying to make it harder and harder for people to keep up and maintain a house, find excuses for houses to be demo'd, find excuses for people to be banned so their house demo's, instead of simply moving to Dynamis.

Jesus, did you see how he was able to rotate that piece of furniture and shrink it like it was nothing?
Meanwhile in XIV we're smashing atoms together to build a damn refrigerator, i can't

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

If that were true, we wouldn’t be seeing so many topics devoted to it. We can keep wards and have instanced. Why not pursue an option that would allow everyone to enjoy housing?

And honestly the most active neighborhoods I see are where an FC has a house, and its members are clustered in the houses around it, which is rare these days and difficult to achieve with both the lotto and ward restrictions. In my neighborhood, I see next to no one on a regular basis.

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So many topics are devoted to the topic because complain complain complain never happy.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This is another type of "You think you do, but you dont", people want instanced housing, but for them to enjoy it, ward housing would have to be removed too, so it's useless on its own, and they sure as hell arent going to remove everyone's house because people are too stubborn and refuse to move to Dynamis.

So people will keep trying to make it harder and harder for people to keep up and maintain a house, find excuses for houses to be demo'd, find excuses for people to be banned so their house demo's, instead of simply moving to Dynamis.

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Why does everyone assume it has to be either/or? I just want the option added, I don’t want anything taken away from anyone, nor am I advocating for any “rent” type schemes. Neither do most of the posters I’ve seen supporting an instanced option. Some people just want a house to decorate, they don’t care about the “prestige” of lucking into a ward house, or they’re weary of losing lotto after lotto. And for those that want upgrades, there are never going to be enough mediums and larges in the wards. At least not without a massive redesign.

If everyone is able to have an instanced house of their choosing, so many of these arguments (and the animosity) go away. Someone having a whole ward to themselves won’t matter when it isn’t preventing others from participating in the system. And everyone could have their dream plot without having to hope someone else gets demoed.

And again, the devs can’t say that housing is supposed to be about community and offer leaving one’s community as the only solution to lack of supply. Well they can, but it’s hypocritical. Even so, for someone who’s been in their community for years, going to Dynamis doesn’t guarantee anyone housing. Dynamis has the same lotto as everywhere else. It’s just less competition, not no competition. And for those that have spectacularly low luck on RNG, asking someone to go through all the hassle to move (and it is a hassle, read through the page that goes over all the details sometime) for a chance at a house that they may well lose yet another lotto on is callous. They really want to send people to Dynamis in droves? Make the wards they’re holding back on (25-30) first come, first serve, no timer or placard spamming, you want it, you get there first. That’ll get people moving! lol

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

Yeah I'm hyped for Creative Space. Gonna spend a lot of time building stuff when that drops.

More people should give PSO2 some attention. It doesn't have a huge amount of content but could get a bigger budget if it gained more users. It's free to download and play.

Sonic Frontiers (also by Sega) sold unexpectedly high numbers, caused them to recruit a bigger team for the next Sonic and increase pay by 30% to be more competitive.

Just know that PSO2 NGS story is very shallow and pointless so it's a deal-breaker if story is important to you. But the combat feels good, the create a character is very customisable, and the housing will be too.

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I played PSO2 NGS for 5 months lv70 Braver, spent a couple of money on that game, instant regret. Game is garbage. Story sucks. Copy and paste combat sector zones LMFAO, theres more numbers of outfits for T2 than T1’s, RNG is garbage in that game. Free weapons get handed out to you like candy every “seasonal” event which i dont like about it, once you finish everything theres nothing to do but the same fken pse bursts over and over no contents LOL , i quit and deleted my character after. Thats just me xD NGS SUCKS

Honestly, I felt like PSO2 was finally finding its wings in earnest with Ep5 and Ep6, and then NGS just kinda.. train crashed on through and killed all that momentum to replace it with a far less satisfying game. Haven't gone back since.

If they'd chosen instead to iterate on what was working, I can only wonder what might have been.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

If we wanted instanced housing, we would be playing other games. We play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. No one cares about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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I couldn't care less about neighborhoods lol

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

If we wanted instanced housing, we would be playing other games. We play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. No one cares about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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Let me correct that for you.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

If I wanted instanced housing, I would be playing other games. I play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. I don't care about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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We (meaning the collective player base) play FFXIV for a variety of different reasons, and those reasons are different for every player. Some don't even care about housing at all and yet they still play the game because there is other content they do enjoy.

I know you've said that you only play for the housing, and that's fine but not everyone agrees with your take.

No one here is trying to take your neighborhoods away from you. It is not an "either/or" situation. What some of us feel that the neighborhoods have not worked out in practice and that an improved instanced housing system above and beyond what apartments offer would be an improvement. There's even more interest in better controls for item placement and decorating in general.

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Originally Posted by Khryseis_Astra

And again, the devs can’t say that housing is supposed to be about community and offer leaving one’s community as the only solution to lack of supply. Well they can, but it’s hypocritical. Even so, for someone who’s been in their community for years, going to Dynamis doesn’t guarantee anyone housing. Dynamis has the same lotto as everywhere else. It’s just less competition, not no competition. And for those that have spectacularly low luck on RNG, asking someone to go through all the hassle to move (and it is a hassle, read through the page that goes over all the details sometime) for a chance at a house that they may well lose yet another lotto on is callous. They really want to send people to Dynamis in droves? Make the wards they’re holding back on (25-30) first come, first serve, no timer or placard spamming, you want it, you get there first. That’ll get people moving! lol

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Unless you pick Seraph, there is no competition on Dynamis for personal plots right now. Everyone who wants a house has a house and there are still hundreds left. The only competition is between those looking for the same specific plot, which is yet another problem with the ward system. Not everyone can get the plot of their choice.

Is there some inconvenience in moving there? Yes. But the inconvenience is less now than it was when Dynamis was first opened and there was nothing but what we brought with us. FCs are now established, the marketboards are continuing to fill with more and more items, duty queue times are gradually reducing, things in general are getting more active as more players get used to using Data Center Travel to play with friends (yes, players from the other data centers do come to Dynamis to play even as Dynamis players travel to other data centers).

Being able to get a house at last is going to overshadow the inconvenience for many and that's why they made the move.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

If we wanted instanced housing, we would be playing other games. We play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. No one cares about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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That's how I feel about it as well. The houses that can be seen are what matter, and the bigger they are the better. Now that everyone can have one things are great.

Square isn't going to invest in a new instanced housing system to solve a problem only NA people have. They've just added a new district and new wards, implemented a new lottery system and added more servers which contain more houses. Every step of the way they've shown this is the housing system they've chosen and are willing to expand. It is sufficient once the critical amount of wards has been reached.

As an avowed ward-lover, I certainly don't think any of those assumptions ring true in practice. The current system is patches on top of hacky fixes on top of patches and has been sagging under the weight of its own ill-conceived decisions for a very long time. Adding personal housing was a fatal mistake that we've collectively been paying for ever since, and the 'critical amount of wards' has been a number steadily moving out towards infinity with every new expansion, even with the onerous artificial restrictions piled on top of it.

I do love my ward house, warts and weird lighting pattern and all. But it doesn't at all mean that I don't also wish I could have fully-fledged spaces for alts or secondary FCs - and it doesn't mean that the status quo is at all sufficient for what I would like to do given free reign and bereft of technical restrictions.

Well the solution to that if a house is such a need or whatever when playing a game... switch from FFXIV to that.

Instanced FC Guildhalls to replace FC's on wards would be a good idea however.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

This is another type of "You think you do, but you dont", people want instanced housing, but for them to enjoy it, ward housing would have to be removed too, so it's useless on its own, and they sure as hell arent going to remove everyone's house because people are too stubborn and refuse to move to Dynamis.

So people will keep trying to make it harder and harder for people to keep up and maintain a house, find excuses for houses to be demo'd, find excuses for people to be banned so their house demo's, instead of simply moving to Dynamis.

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Can't even move to Dynamis for a no-competition large so that's still not an option. Literally the only option, like thousands of us keep saying, is to add more wards dynamically without the "all the wards are not full" borked mindset that SE has. All larges fill --> new ward --> all larges fill --> new ward --> repeat until large demand is satiated; it's the biggest housing bottleneck complaint. Even in Oceania where 90% of most wards are completely empty, almost every single large is taken and every tier 1 large is actually taken. There straight up is not enough larges and I wonder how many of us are holding houses other people could use because we just want to upgrade.

SWG did housing amazingly well for an early 2000s game, still one of, if not *the*, best housing system ever implemented into any MMO.
ESO has better instanced housing than PSO2, in my opinion. I like the idea of instanced FC halls but anything instanced should still have an outside garden- not likely to happen.
It could be worse; at least what we have isn't as bad as Mabinogi's tiny 30 day bid to rent houses or SWtOR's pay-to-expand & hook slotted furniture instanced housing.

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Originally Posted by Tamlen

SWG did housing amazingly well for an early 2000s game, still one of, if not *the*, best housing system ever implemented into any MMO.

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This is the issue. Those of us that love the game for housing and mainly play for that feature, because of its uniqueness, feel completely cast aside when it comes to content. Imagine entering a certain raid was completely RNG and you had to shell out gil for the privilege; the community would be up in arms.

I don't think this kind of system is possible in the old engine FF14 runs on, they can't even give us vertical placement of furniture and housing items have collision hitboxes so you can't float a rug only a few centimeter above the floor without it falling back down, tabletop items snap to what ever surface is below them, and many more issues.

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Originally Posted by Rayne6665

Game is garbage. Story sucks. Copy and paste combat sector zones LMFAO

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Its budget is probably tiny. They have to keep changing the color and size of enemies to fill gaps in the roadmap. When they actually put together a fight that requires a lot of resources to build, the game's potential is shown.

Dark Falz Aegis released recently, has a lot of distinct phases and mechanics. You start out using cannons that fire a barrage of missiles. Then you get sucked into a fight on a ring platform, have to fight its hands and dodge lasers. Then floor is like lava and you hurl rock things from platforms. Then disrupt its ultimate attack by intercepting these energy ball things it draws in.

So I say the game has potential but the catch is service games can't get better if people ignore them until they are better because the budget will never be there. Most of the problem is too much low effort padding due to lack of resources, but there's no excuse for the story to be that terrible, that's on them.

The creative space seen above will be an additional of huge value to the game. It has so much freedom that you could imagine people spending hours building really interesting things that get the game some viral attention. User created content is perfect to fill the big gaps between meaningful updates.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

Can't even move to Dynamis for a no-competition large so that's still not an option.

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Makes me wonder how someone "who only plays for housing" didn't think of transferring to Dynamis day 1 to secure an easy large.

A lot of people got mansions with no competition.

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Originally Posted by Pratini

Makes me wonder how someone "who only plays for housing" didn't think of transferring to Dynamis day 1 to secure an easy large.

A lot of people got mansions with no competition.

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Easy, I didn't know Dynamis was launching. Auto demo was off so I stopped paying attention for a while. Hard to pay attention to a game 100% when the content you want to enjoy is gated behind RNG. I am 100% looking forward to the next 4 servers though!

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

Easy, I didn't know Dynamis was launching. Auto demo was off so I stopped paying attention for a while. Hard to pay attention to a game 100% when the content you want to enjoy is gated behind RNG. I am 100% looking forward to the next 4 servers though!

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https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...0a98a3986554a2

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...988544359c371f

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...9b64e0b536f24c

Plenty of times to "pay attention".

It was announced in January of 2022 BEFORE the current lottery system was even launched.

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Originally Posted by Kaiproberts

If we wanted instanced housing, we would be playing other games. We play FFXIV because it has neighborhoods. No one cares about instanced housing in FFXIV.

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I'm sure all those house-owners that only have retainer bells and teleport crystals totally agree with you. (*≧▽≦)ﾉｼ)) ~ʱªʱªʱª