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If SCH doesn’t get summon feo as their level 100 skill. I’m going to scream. Lol. Please give us feo to summon in 7.0. You guys know we SCH’s want it. Just give it to us.

It would be fantastic to have my Beautiful Branch. Bonus points if she says something in that Welsh/Scottish/Irish? (I think Irish...) accent when she casts the big abilities. :D

EDIT: Though...I suppose she isn't EXACTLY Lily, but maybe they could make it an optional summon-glamour quest instead, so instead of an ability, it'll be some quest you do where Lily agrees to sort of "host" Feo Ul so she can cross the dimensional barrier to hang out with us. :D But who knows?

Also, what IS the difference between pixies and faeries? I always thought pixies were a type of faerie...and it's not like we've found any other faeries on the Source OR any of the Shards. Like...SCH's made pacts with them...but where the heck do they come from??

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Originally Posted by Renathras

It would be fantastic to have my Beautiful Branch. Bonus points if she says something in that Welsh/Scottish/Irish? (I think Irish...) accent when she casts the big abilities. :D

EDIT: Though...I suppose she isn't EXACTLY Lily, but maybe they could make it an optional summon-glamour quest instead, so instead of an ability, it'll be some quest you do where Lily agrees to sort of "host" Feo Ul so she can cross the dimensional barrier to hang out with us. :D But who knows?

Also, what IS the difference between pixies and faeries? I always thought pixies were a type of faerie...and it's not like we've found any other faeries on the Source OR any of the Shards. Like...SCH's made pacts with them...but where the heck do they come from??

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I mean they gave us seraph summon and that was just weird to be honest. Seraph? Where does she fit in the fairy/sch lore? So I’m sure they can work it out to give us Feo. Heck she comes to us everytime we call for her anyway so shouldn’t be difficult.

I don’t want glamour I want us to summon her and give us huge shield/heal or heck even a crazy buff to the party. Feo will be an amazing addition to our fairy/angel/pixie arsenal.

I’m not a lore junkie so not sure about the fairy vs pixie. I mean fairies look more human like while pixies look very nature like with insect looking wings while fairies have butterfly wings.

in any other situation i'd say 'they cant because something something spoiler for new players'

in this game i have no idea, since we trot out phoenix (the worlds worst kept secret, apparently) on a 2min-ly basis, in direct contravention of what Lou actually wanted when he first became the damn thing

so yeh at the very least can we have a way to swap seraph to look like feo, because meeting them in SHB and then our capstone ability from SHB NOT being 'summon king of pixies' is criminal

'summon us in times of need' they expressly said, and yet every time we do a raidboss there's not so much of a whisper of their name. SE is cold, and cruel and heartless

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

in any other situation i'd say 'they cant because something something spoiler for new players'

in this game i have no idea, since we trot out phoenix (the worlds worst kept secret, apparently) on a 2min-ly basis, in direct contravention of what Lou actually wanted when he first became the damn thing

so yeh at the very least can we have a way to swap seraph to look like feo, because meeting them in SHB and then our capstone ability from SHB NOT being 'summon king of pixies' is criminal

'summon us in times of need' they expressly said, and yet every time we do a raidboss there's not so much of a whisper of their name. SE is cold, and cruel and heartless

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I agree. I want to summon Feo or heck even Titania will work. I have no idea where Seraph came from lol. Why did they go for seraph of all creatures they could of chosen.

I don’t really understand how this would make sense.

I mean, Scholars are Nymian and from the Source, how could they have any links to an entity from another world in the first place? Feo Ul also isn’t a ‘fairy’, not in the sense that Eos or Selene is, since she’s not an artificial construct made of aether bound to the Scholar’s soul stone. Further, how would they then explain an omnipresent Feo Ul? It makes sense for primals because you’re basically just summoning a photocopy made of their aether, and they’re no longer manifested in Eorzea.
How would it work when you’re summoning something that’s still active (and standing next to herself 3 times lol), even if it is on another world.

As for Seraph, I can only assume it’s the fairy’s ‘true form’; Seraph is what you’d see Nymian Scholars in the past summoning as opposed to Eos/Selene. It’s made clear throughout the Scholar storyline that our control and influence over the fairy isn’t absolute, so I assumed that’s why we only end up summoning one half of her each time (Eos or Selene). Summon Seraph is basically putting your all into the summoning to awaken the actual Fairy herself and not just aspects of her. But since our control isn’t absolute, we can’t sustain it for long. That’s all pure conjecture though.

The form also makes sense to me. Fairies essentially work on the same principles as primals/summoned entities, so the form manifests based on the beliefs of the summoners. Considering she was designed to fly around the battlefield saving the lives of soldiers and strengthening them, it makes sense they’d see her as some kind of ‘High-Ranking Guardian Angel’, and that her form would change to match that (hence the glowing Angel fairy lol).

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Originally Posted by SweetPete

I agree. I want to summon Feo or heck even Titania will work. I have no idea where Seraph came from lol. Why did they go for seraph of all creatures they could of chosen.

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My headcanon is that WoL was affected by the First's abundance of Light Aether that our skills and abilities were affected by it (WHM suddenly throwing out Glare and Dia, SCH getting Seraph, and AST already drawing power of the stars got their card effects changed to flavors of Balance - the Solar Arcana -- aka the Sun for its representation of Light, and got nerfed to death on release because they can't see the night sky).

Whether that's actually canon remains to be seen because we didn't get a job storyline quest for those levels...

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I don’t really understand how this would make sense.

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https://i.gyazo.com/68e20da75d3abf6e...2a62bb18d9.jpg

Seems pretty soundly explained to me. At least, better explained than Seraph.

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Originally Posted by Connor

I don’t really understand how this would make sense.

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Much as I'd love a Feo Ul summon...Seraph as the "true" Lily actually makes a lot of sense. You also summon HER for SCH's L3 LB.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AF2NrrJB8zA
(Hm...that video doesn't show it as well. Though the AST one there is amazing - it always is - especially with the music...)

Better video/timestamp to see Seraph: https://youtu.be/waTYGA99W4M?t=64

Can also see it in this one here: https://youtu.be/3PdR6PqEbyM?t=189
And the wide view here you can also see two smaller ones spiraling out, maybe representing Eos and Selene: https://youtu.be/3PdR6PqEbyM?t=204

Either way, I could totally buy that Seraph is Lily's true form.

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Though as to the "how would it work" - I'm not sure if Faeries are "constructs". How we summon them is, but SCH lore suggests that each SCH stone, when created, does so by making a PACT with a Faerie, which suggests that they exist independently and weren't created beings. Either that, or they were created but THEN were self-sustaining (enough) and had free will (enough to enter into pacts; and we see Lily have free will in some of the SCH quests, like preventing the killing blow on Curito) that the Scholars then made pacts with them.

Well...we made a pact with Feo Ul. It's how she's able to travel to the Source in a dream state to visit our Retainers and how she's able to hear us TECHNICALLY anywhere that we go and call on her. Which, by extension, should mean that she's connected to our aethertrail (how we're able to teleport back and forth between Source and First), and between that and the pact with us, we should be able to summon her whenever if she agreed to that. There might be a lore question about why she would only be able to take her smaller form and not her Titania form (easy enough to answer when not on the First, but when ON the First, she presumably should have access to the fullness of her powers), but between the SCH pact with Lily already and seeing how pacts with Voidsent and even Primals can work, I'm pretty sure there is more than a little argument for Feo Ul to be able to use Lily as a medium (provided Lily consented to all this) to come and help us out from time to time.

As far as I understand it, pixies are a sort of 'arcane entity', it's why they refer to us as 'mortals' all the time. If they were an actual regular, living thing too, then they wouldn't make the distinction based on mortality, I'd assume. So, in that regard, I'd assume that the natural state of a pixie's existence is sort of like, a summoned thing like a carbuncle or egi, but they also have a soul of their own, so i guess that might complicate things a little. Summoning it to a different location would not be all that difficult? I guess when Feo goes to the Source to deliver messages, they're in a similar state we had during the EW MSQ when we got to zone 5, 'there' but not corporeal enough to manifest enough to have physical presence. Which we overcame by just being given aether. So if we gave Feo's ghostly form aether, they'd be able to manifest in our world for a bit. Say, 20 seconds every 2 minutes?

IDK, I think the point is less so whether Seraph is relevant or belongs in the kit, but that 'if Seraph is part of the kit, Feo should be too, even if it's as an optional reskin for Seraph'. Just add a hidden cutscene/miniquest where you have to say 'Feo Ul, I need you' in /say chat outside the castle and beg for their assistance once you're level 80.

I'm for fairies glam. There are a lot of way it could be implemented, most not as bad as "oh yeah that mount can fly because reasons" (others glams request : anima spirit, elementals/ancient familiars)

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Much as I'd love a Feo Ul summon...Seraph as the "true" Lily actually makes a lot of sense. You also summon HER for SCH's L3 LB.

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LB3 and Seraph are the one that don't makes sense.
All abilities are 'fey' themed, then for some reason it turns 'angelic' with seraph, which is the theme of Amdapor, not Nim.

For the link between pixies and fairies, probably not really related.
Doing ShB as a SCH there is no "bonus" interaction (RPR get a bit in EW)
If they are being summoned from a shard, it's probably not the 1st ; also as said fairies qualify as Fey while pixie do as Fae (but races names change in the first so maybe another shard or even somewhere on the source).

It'll make no sense, it'll be stupid, it'll be spoilers and there's so many reasons why it shouldn't work... but as a Feo Ul lover, I now know I want it.

The lore is not concrete, it can be changed. They could make it so that Pixies (or all Fae on the first) are the original form of the "Fairy". When they die (again?) or shed living material, that material has a chance to become an aetherical being. These beings could then be what we know to be as the scholar's fairy. Since we only have the First as an example, we can assume that the Source also had a "King of the Fairies" and since the control/image of the king is so ingrained into the fae, they take that image when reconstructed, or at least something in a similar form (the fairy), similar to how primals are based on the twelve and have those distinctions but aren't exact. The higher concentration of aether the closer to the original (which explains how Feo can make smaller versions of herself). That way, we could have it fit in with the lore on how we could possibly get Titania/Feo UI and it would explain as to what the Fae on our world are. They could also take it a step further by having the scholars of old not even know what the origin of the fairies were, but by chance found them in the state they are now. The fae on our world could have been wiped out due to several possibilities allowing only the aether to remain, the aether then constructing some of those fae (fae essences(?)) into fairies.

Etymology from the fandom for Fairy:
A fairy is a type of mythical being or legendary creature, a form of spirit, often described as metaphysical, supernatural, or preternatural.

Aether on death:
Aether is released from the body upon death and it disappears from the physical realm to mingle back into the aetherical sea from which all life begins. Only so much of it can cross over at a time, and any excess remains to form a glowing mist, crystals, or even ghostly apparitions. As aether is akin to soul energy, more violent and dramatic deaths tend to yield more excess aether.

The form would construct from the spirit (or matter) of the fae and become a fairy, and since fairies gives off that apparition-feeling, it fits.

Let's study some Lore (correct me if I'm wrong on some of these, it's been a while)

Start with Arcanist's Carbuncle :
-Is an aetheric construct
-Derive from an ancient concept
-Can manifest it's own personality (Ruby, Tataru's)
-personality seems consistent for a caster ; the cause may be aether, dynamis or another "variable"

Now Summoner :
-Imbuing Carbuncle's magical formula with a primal aether create an Egi
-Comes from Allag ; does not include it's own summon (unless you count demi-baha)
-Phoenix doesn't makes a lot of sense lore-wise (we know it derive from an ancient concept, but it's appearance as a primal when/how it did probably involved an external interference (like an ancient bird-like fiery goddess ?) Relative to Summoner, at best you could go for "osmosis with bahamut" but that's a stretch

And Scholar :
-Allow you to summon Lily ; comes with it's personality and memories
-Comes from Nim where it was used in the same way we do. No information on a base concept for now.

Some additional lore that may be useful :
-Most familiars seems sentient with memories/personality
-The only familiars we know persists without their caster seems to be material ones (Cait, Gigi, Meteion)
-WoL already created one familiar : Anima's spirit
-Soul crystals can retain their owners skills and sometime memories

So I'll propose the following :
-Lily is not a living being, but the exact magical formula for a construct stored in crystal by the previous owner. maybe so she could persist as she had no material form
-WoL can temper the said formula (Eos/Selene form)
-It is possible one of those form is actually the "original" while the other use WoL "variables"
-Therefore, WoL could imbue the fairy formula with Titania's aether
-Since Feo can already travel to the source, It could be even easier for her if WoL had a vessel already imbued with her aether
-She could also alter the construct to leave it with bits of her memories/personality along Lily's

Unless I made a mistake, it would be consistent with the known lore and allow for more possibilities in the future.

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...30#post6067230

I would love a Feo/Titania fairy!

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Originally Posted by Calysto

So I'll propose the following :
-Lily is not a living being, but the exact formula stored in crystal by the previous owner. maybe so she could persist as she had no material form

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Note that I'm personally fine with Feo Ul being a form that SCH can summon, but I have an issue with the above.

In SCH lore, it's said that the Faeries were "bound" (the word used) to the SCH Job Stones. It doesn't saying their formula was discovered or inscribed, it says they were bound. Generally speaking, binding something requires that something to be pre/independently-existing. That is, there must be a thing to be bound.

This HIGHLY implies that Lily (her name) and all the other Faeries (like Lilac, the one from Setoto's father) were as well. It's more probable (since the SCH's didn't SEEM particularly evil) that this was less an involuntary capturing and more of a pact forming, that from then on connected the individual Faerie with an individual SCH Job Stone. The actual Faerie player SCH's summon is named Lily, with Eos and Selene being two sides of her personality (since she did have pretty bad amnesia when we found her), but she's one being. And for the record, Eos seems to be her preferred/actual form (it's the one she uses in all cutscenes she's in with us)

So a lore reasoning would more be if Feo Ul and Lily were to agree to merging their powers to help their WoL and agree to "share" a pact with you. (/Rand Al Thor intensifies)

It seems very unlikely that Lily ISN'T a living being (in some form), or that she's just a formula unless the lore we have is exposed at some point as being some complicated lie the SCH's of old established and perpetrated through centuries for reasons that...honestly wouldn't make any sense, as there's no "gain" for them by their enemies thinking the Faeries are formula spells rather than individual beings. Not to mention they were known to both Mhach and Amdapor, the latter of which we KNOW captured and interrogated SCHs (Setoto's father among them), and the former we can reasonably expect also did that. Meaning one or the other of them would likely have determined if it was a lie and exposed it, if it were, in fact, a lie.

I started to doubt myself but it was confirmed in a 2014 fanfest interview with Koji-Fox that the fairies are artificial constructs, in that they didn’t exist until Scholars conceptualised them.

A: To follow up on a question from the stream earlier- the taxonomy that fairies fall into. Is there an origin to how they become fairies of Scholars. Were they fairies and then bound to scholars? or did the scholars create them?

MCKF: Yes, the second one. Fairies again, while they fall under the taxonomy of elementals, they are actually beings that were created. They did not exist before. The Scholar would take the energies and elements from around them and would basically create these beings that were made of the elements.

A: Those are bound to the soul crystal then and passed from one person to the next where carbuncle is more one per person. Very cool.

I wasn’t aware of the distinction from Carbuncles, I assumed everyone just summoned the same one lol.

The fairy is still a ‘living being’ in that it (apparently) has its own consciousness, thoughts, memories etc. But there isn’t any place where real ‘fairies’ exist in nature (in terms of ones like Lily). They also seem to have been conceptualised based on Nymian folklore/mythology as opposed to modelled after pre-existing creatures. Especially considering how Seraph is more ‘angelic’ than ‘fae’. Basically, they’re artificial constructs with the ability to store memories/experiences, which is where their ‘individuality’ comes from.

In regards to ‘binding the fairies’, I think this may have simply been a more straightforward way of referring to how the Scholars took elemental aether from their environments and bound the energy to the soul crystals as a means to create the fairies. Rather than the fairies being ‘bound’ by a literal pact, it just means the energies were linked/connected to the soulstone itself (hence why the same fairy pops out of the soul stone each time). That said, there does seem an unspoken connection between the Scholar and their Fairy, which sort of is a ‘pact’

NGL I'm not seeing a whole lot of reasoning why we can't summon Feo Ul, and a whole lot of reasoning why we could if SE stop being cowards

Soo...

Carbuncle is a step in the right direction I guess ?

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Originally Posted by Calysto

Soo...

Carbuncle is a step in the right direction I guess ?

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At least it would do more than SMN's Carbuncle.

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Originally Posted by Silver-Strider

At least it would do more than SMN's Carbuncle.

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lol, this was honestly my first thought. XD

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Originally Posted by ForsakenRoe

if SE stop being cowards

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It's not them "being cowards". I'm not sure there's a good reason for them not to do it, but "cowards"? Coward means someone afraid and ruled by fear. What are they afraid of in this scenario? I'm sure there are plenty of insults that might fit - lazy, perhaps - but cowards?