Is there a way to purposely get lower dungeons in roulette?

I am so bad at tanking but I want to practice while earning XP. I am comfortable with dungeons up until Stormblood, after that I don't know the fights too well and I have issues memorizing things nowadays.

If there isn't, what content would you suggest for me? My Gunbreaker is level 84. Should I stick to Fates?

TYIA :)

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Originally Posted by Awarewolf

I am so bad at tanking but I want to practice while earning XP. I am comfortable with dungeons up until Stormblood, after that I don't know the fights too well and I have issues memorizing things nowadays.

If there isn't, what content would you suggest for me? My Gunbreaker is level 84. Should I stick to Fates?

TYIA :)

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You're a tank just select lower dungeons and you will get into them instantly. When ready go into the roulette.

Yes, you can unequip gear to lower your ilvl.
However, Tanking in dungeons hasn't changed much if at all since Stormblood. Every dungeon since then has had a standard format of two sets of two-pack pulls before each boss, and the bosses themselves don't pose much of a threat to a tank so long as you mitigate the tank buster.

Item level determines what you get. The game snapshots the armor you wear when you queue. It's how people get crystal tower raids when they do Alliance roulette. It's fairly frowned apon, but if your intent is to practice with real people that might be your only option outside of trusts or just outright queuing for lower content.

Just queue low-level dungeons until you're comfortable tanking instead of trying to game the system 4head.

Trusts have been put in for a lot of the lower level dungeons up to a certain point and you can use them if you're nervous about playing with others. You could use trusts in ShB and EW as well.

The combat from your party won't be exactly the same, but the bosses will be doing the same attacks and it will allow you to memorize fights since the NPCs always know where to go.

Higher level dungeons are much easier to tank than lower level ones because of the powerful skills you unlock on higher levels.

Just use Duty Support to get comfy with tanking. Once you feel like you're ready to do more, communicate with your party if you're unsure of one thing or another. People are more understanding when they know what they're dealing with from the start.

You could always do a Party Finder group - if you explicitly say lower dungeons and tanking practice there'll no doubt be some nice folks who will happily help. Otherwise, as previously mentioned - Duty Support is a good one for learning the basics with no other players there, ask your FC is they would mind helping, or just queue for a specific set of lower dungeons (granted you don't get the roulette bonus but that's the gamble of roulette - one day you could be in Sastasha, the next you're in <insert current hardest/painful dungeon>, but at least you get some sweet exp bonus!).

So the trick to tanking is to realize that every dungeon is the same.
If you've done the few outliers in ARR, you've essentially seen all the exotic things a dungeon has to offer. They are always now going to be a line with a couple of pulls of mobs to some sort of blockade or door. You kill those mobs the door opens. You then are presented with another hallway with no branching paths with another couple of pulls of mobs. You then are presented with a boss room.
The above repeats two more times and you're done the dungeon!

Tanking is exceptionally easy once you've realized how simple everything is. However it seems to still have this awe of heightened responsibility or something that scares people off from it. I assure you there is no responsibility and everything is the DPS's fault!

Jokes aside it's really kinda lame how everything is simplified imo, but it really does make it easy and predictable to how a dungeon will go.

My recommendation is going for the 50/60/70/80 roulette. With tomestone gear, you are ensured to be overgeared, which on that avoid being handycapped (where leveling roulette has a big risk). They are also generaly doable with w2w, so on that there isnt a lot of risk either. Just dont use sprint when grabbing mobs to ensure your teammates can keep up. And your knowledge of other classes should already be a good pacing indication anyway.

The fates or MSQ roulette can be a good reminder on ability rotations, but outside of that barely do involve any depth. They are only usefull to remember what each button does.

The thing to focus most on is ensuring that you have the aggro of all enemies. As this is where most failures happen (once you dont have it, and mobs attack the others, it can quickly result in some deaths). And to ensure aggro, do 2 of your AoE hits per group before going on (1 might cause a few enemies to still not have been in range). Dont worry about dpses taking over the aggro, they at the wall will run past to you to allow you to easily take the aggro back (and if they dont, its their fault).

Do that, and you quickly can get back into tanking, and optimize your playstyle.

There's unequipping as noted, but that's considered somewhat socially gauche by the community - mainly because so many people are bored of getting the lowest level roulette picks so often).

The "acceptable" way to limit your dungeon selection on Roulette, is to bring a friend with you who legitimately only qualifies for fewer dungeons. That is somehow perfectly okay, even though it also results in people getting stuck with the lowest level roulette picks so often.

(Frankly, the whole dichotomy starts to remind me of my younger brother, who would insist things such as that it was cheating to look up guides but okay to have someone else look up the same info in the same guide for you. LOL)

Can you use your 1-2-3 combo, pop cooldowns and use AoE? Congratz that alone makes you good enough to do dungeons, bonus points if you avoid aoe, do large pulls and do not beyblade the boss.

You can either lower your item level or use the duty support feature. We should be getting all of Stormblood added to it in 6.4 as Stormblood really was the black sheep of the family as it jumped MSQ for a few patches in the way of dungeons. While also doing the same thing Heavensward did with part of its leveling dungeons with having one be not tied to the MSQ

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Originally Posted by Awarewolf

I am so bad at tanking but I want to practice while earning XP. I am comfortable with dungeons up until Stormblood, after that I don't know the fights too well and I have issues memorizing things nowadays.

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You can do Shadowbringers and Endwalker dungeons with Duty Support. The npcs will do all the mechanics and teach you the mechanics in a place where players don't have to watch.

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If there isn't, what content would you suggest for me? My Gunbreaker is level 84. Should I stick to Fates?

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The level 50/60/70/80 roulette doesn't give a lot of experience, but it works. You don't need to know the mechanics very well because the sync isn't very tight.

You could also do 8-person trials and alliance raids, where there are other tanks to handle things if you die.

As you suggested yourself, you can do fates but you can also do beast tribe quests and daily hunt bills.

Tanking tends to be more challenging at lower levels than at higher. Might be something worth considering.

How to be a decent tank in a few steps.

1. Remember to trigger tank stance

2. AoE attacks on mobs

3. Use both Job and Role mitigation

Do that and you're better than half the tanks instantly.

Tanking for Pugs in dungeons stresses me out, due to the mass-pulll/rush with a group of unknown healers and DPS. While levelling, it's hit or miss if the group can keep up with that number of pulls even if I use all my cooldowns.

I level my tanks in Alliance Raid, Trials, Normal Raid, and Frontline Roulettes. Half the time another tank will pick up primary tank duties anyway and you just essentially become an unkillable/mediocre DPS.

If you want to main tank or play it more regularly though, those roulettes won't teach you the skills of pulling/positioning quite as much as doing it yourself in dungeons. The higher level dungeons are actually easier IMO since they are "straight line" - mass pull/ae/cooldown over and over. ARR dungeons where the maps aren't in a straight line were harder for me than later level ones.

Trusts might be a good option. You can get comfy with small pulls in a low stress environment. Then when you want to jump into DF you'll have that part down.

I got tanking fully under my belt recently and I just had a small macro to say "Healer main getting into tanking. Please excuse me if I falter." YMMV due to DC, but groups on Aether were lovely and very supportive. Try a wall to wall and if it doesn't work, you can always dial it back. Or try small first and if you're good then work up to it. If you've played another role then you'll probably find the things you don't want to see in tanks running in your head and you'll be aware enough to try to avoid them.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Tanking tends to be more challenging at lower levels than at higher. Might be something worth considering.

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It really does. Go around 90 tanking then get a lower dungeon where I don't have HoC and it can get hairy.

The best way queue as low-level job or have a friend join you that has a very low-level job.

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Originally Posted by BaconBits

Just queue low-level dungeons until you're comfortable tanking instead of trying to game the system 4head.

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But then how will they earn rewards that they haven't actually earned?

If you can tank a stormblood dungeon. you can tank anything.

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Originally Posted by Awarewolf

I am so bad at tanking but I want to practice while earning XP. I am comfortable with dungeons up until Stormblood, after that I don't know the fights too well and I have issues memorizing things nowadays.

If there isn't, what content would you suggest for me? My Gunbreaker is level 84. Should I stick to Fates?

TYIA :)

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Just queue into specific dungeons you are comfortable running. I would advice against lowering your ilv for roulettes. Also just a small tip. Please use Arms length for trash pulls. It inflicts slow on every mob that strikes you.

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Originally Posted by Awarewolf

I am so bad at tanking but I want to practice while earning XP. I am comfortable with dungeons up until Stormblood, after that I don't know the fights too well and I have issues memorizing things nowadays.

If there isn't, what content would you suggest for me? My Gunbreaker is level 84. Should I stick to Fates?

TYIA :)

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Run it with the Trust System. Start by single pulling groups. You can double-pull, but most of the damage will have to come from you. So you'll practice your AOE rotation as well as your mitigation rotation. I ran all of the 81+ trust dungeons as tank and you can wall-to-wall pull. It can get a little bit tight though. Ultimately, this could "train you" for doing on-level dungeons with PCs instead of NPCs. IMO, Fates will teach you next to nothing.

Wouldn't it make more sense to practice with the highest level dungeons you can do? Seems like a waste to practice with potentially half your abilities missing.

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Originally Posted by hydralus

Wouldn't it make more sense to practice with the highest level dungeons you can do? Seems like a waste to practice with potentially half your abilities missing.

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The thing with newer jobs is that you start with a lot of buttons instantly so you have to sort them and get familiar with what is what.

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Originally Posted by NekoMataMata

But then how will they earn rewards that they haven't actually earned?

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But how did they get the reward if they didn't earn it? :^)

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Just queue into specific dungeons you are comfortable running. I would advice against lowering your ilv for roulettes. Also just a small tip. Please use Arms length for trash pulls. It inflicts slow on every mob that strikes you.

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QFE, that slow is no joke in trash pulls!

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Originally Posted by sharknado

The thing with newer jobs is that you start with a lot of buttons instantly so you have to sort them and get familiar with what is what.

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Thats why you follow the questlines of them first! They have a instanced duty designed to teach you the mechanics of the class.

(tbh, i would prefer it if the class wouldnt be usable in dungeons before they at least finished that quest, just to promote people to learn the basics that way)

And also, after that duty, you should have enough information to start doing some duties with them. They are often not too complex at lvl 70.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

But how did they get the reward if they didn't earn it? :^)



QFE, that slow is no joke in trash pulls!

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You're smart enough to understand how degearing to get easier duties in roulettes is cheating the point of the roulette which is to fill in various queues, but please, go on.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

Thats why you follow the questlines of them first! They have a instanced duty designed to teach you the mechanics of the class.

(tbh, i would prefer it if the class wouldnt be usable in dungeons before they at least finished that quest, just to promote people to learn the basics that way)

And also, after that duty, you should have enough information to start doing some duties with them. They are often not too complex at lvl 70.

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You can easily run through those starting questlines without learning anything.

Just take the time to read through your abilities, and sort everything out in a similar way to the classes you already play that are in the same group.

Please. Don't.

I personally think by the end of Heavensward, you're pretty much ready to tank any dungeons beyond that point barring any mechanics with different coat of paint and actions that are still waiting to be unlocked. They teach you nothing else new aside from having new buttons to make your life easier.

If you still want to practice in lower lv dungeon then kindly please queue into them directly. Ilv cheeser is up there in my lists of few things that potentially ticks me off, but I also don't pay your sub so whatever.

Just practice tanking in HOH or POTD.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

Please. Don't.

I personally think by the end of Heavensward, you're pretty much ready to tank any dungeons beyond that point barring any mechanics with different coat of paint and actions that are still waiting to be unlocked. They teach you nothing else new aside from having new buttons to make your life easier.

If you still want to practice in lower lv dungeon then kindly please queue into them directly. Ilv cheeser is up there in my lists of few things that potentially ticks me off, but I also don't pay your sub so whatever.

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Queue you starting a show called "You know what grinds my gears?"

My suggestion is that you team with a healer who knows those Stormblood dungeons and understands you might make mistakes.

When pulling big groups, you want to use ideally 3 defensive cooldowns per pull.

I can't see what your Job is, but say you're WAR. For a pull that is "medium spicy" do Rampart, Reprisal, Raw Intuition (Aka Bloodwhetting, it changes to this later). For a "very spicy" pull, do Vengeance, Arm's Length, Raw Intuition (aka Bloodwhetting). You can use Raw Intuition on basically every pull. Mix in Thrill of Battle and Reprisal whenever you can. You have more defensive cooldowns than you actually need, so if the group is struggling on damage, you will want to fall back on Thrill of Battle, Equilibrium, Raw Intuition (it comes off cooldown really fast).

If these abilities don't mean much to you, it's OK, each tank has similar mitigation. Rampart + Reprisal for medium pulls, 30% damage reduction + Arm's Length for the scarier pulls.

Mastering big pulls will teach you how to mitigate bosses effectively.