Suggestion: Shorten lottery timer

Please shorten the lottery timer; preferably both entry and results period - even if it's just for new wards, please.

I sincerely think this would benefit true housing enthusiasts and the housing community as a whole.
Thank you for reading.

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Originally Posted by KrisDLuna

Please shorten the lottery timer; preferably both entry and results period - even if it's just for new wards, please.

I sincerely think this would benefit true housing enthusiasts and the housing community as a whole.
Thank you for reading.

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how would shortening the timer benefit things? You haven't explained your logic.

9 day period, 5 days entry and 4 days results gives people plenty of time to enter and check that they've won. How would shortening that be better?

True housing enthusiasts? So this would be only for personal housing wards?

I've always thought that a M-F entry period with weekends as a results period would be better.

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Originally Posted by Lakhesys

I've always thought that a M-F entry period with weekends as a results period would be better.

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People work and have lives. the 9 day rotation works well because of that.

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Originally Posted by Lakhesys

I've always thought that a M-F entry period with weekends as a results period would be better.

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Some people are too busy on certain days to play games. Having a non-weekly period means that no one is unfairly favored because of the days of the week they can and can't play.

I think the idea was to stagger it, so it’s not the same days every week… but we could do that with a 3/2 split. Just feels so long, especially when you’re losing every round… lol

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

Some people are too busy on certain days to play games. Having a non-weekly period means that no one is unfairly favored because of the days of the week they can and can't play.

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That's why weekends should be the results period. Most people have more leisure time during the weekends.

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Originally Posted by Lakhesys

That's why weekends should be the results period. Most people have more leisure time during the weekends.

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Are you in school or something?

The majority of the players of this game are adults who work all manor of hours, in my FC alone, I have people that work night shifts and weekends regularly. I myself even worked most weekends one point.

The current system works perfectly. I know ya'll all desperate for a large/medium in your preferred location just like I am desperate for plot 31 in Shirogane. But rather than suggesting a system that would adversely affect people that don't spend their lives 24/7 on FF14. Go suggest a solution or post in the threads for more housing.

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Originally Posted by Lakhesys

That's why weekends should be the results period. Most people have more leisure time during the weekends.

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I don't think you're deliberately trying to say "service industry workers aren't real people" but that's what you're saying here.

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Originally Posted by Lakhesys

That's why weekends should be the results period. Most people have more leisure time during the weekends.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

I don't think you're deliberately trying to say "service industry workers aren't real people" but that's what you're saying here.

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Gonna need help connecting the dots with this one.

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Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl

I don't think you're deliberately trying to say "service industry workers aren't real people" but that's what you're saying here.

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Lmao, really now?

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Originally Posted by Elevin

Are you in school or something?

The majority of the players of this game are adults who work all manor of hours, in my FC alone, I have people that work night shifts and weekends regularly. I myself even worked most weekends one point.

The current system works perfectly. I know ya'll all desperate for a large/medium in your preferred location just like I am desperate for plot 31 in Shirogane. But rather than suggesting a system that would adversely affect people that don't spend their lives 24/7 on FF14. Go suggest a solution or post in the threads for more housing.

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I work full-time, actually.
Are you trying to say you can't log in for 5 minutes on a sunday to see if you won the lottery?

I'm not particularly desperate for a large nor a medium, seeing as my FC has a large in Shiro and I have a Med in Empyreum, I'm just saying most people have more leisure time during the weekends.

Most people don't have a dire need for a shorter lottery period. You can wait that long so there is no reason to change it.

The offset pattern definitely helps those who can't access the game too often or every day, or at regular intervals.
It's particularly important for the claiming period, because if you fail to claim your winning bid, you lose half your gil.
I could perhaps see them shortening the bidding period, to three days, with a four day claim period, to fit that 7 day cycle, that still allows more than two days per phase, and crucially the four days for claiming so you don't lose your gil. I do agree you'd have to be very specifically unlucky to be unable to log in for four days straight due to working patterns.

However... there's no pressing need to shorten it other than the fact that people are impatient. Two additional days isn't going to hurt.

If anything, I think the lottery cycle should be 14 days, 7 days to enter, 7 days for results. Easy 2 week timetable as the current one is a bit of a nightmare to keep up.

They really should at the very least add the time period information in Timers.

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death already?

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Originally Posted by PaalHenrik

Hasn't this topic been beaten to death already?

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I don't think they'll shorten it, it's pretty reasonable gives people an opportunity to bid and to claim their winnings.

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Originally Posted by Lakhesys

I work full-time, actually.
Are you trying to say you can't log in for 5 minutes on a sunday to see if you won the lottery?

I'm not particularly desperate for a large nor a medium, seeing as my FC has a large in Shiro and I have a Med in Empyreum, I'm just saying most people have more leisure time during the weekends.

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You do realize work cultures aren't universal across the globe right?

Japan notoriously has very draconian work culture where there is a very 'for the company' attitude, where, while not against the rules or anything, is extremely frowned upon if you leave work right as your work ends, meaning a very large size of workers will work longer hours to look better in the eyes of the company & their co-workers. Then there's also the appearance of maintaining social interactions & good relations with co-workers and higher ups, leading to many going straight from work out to bars, restaurants, etc for social interactions. Even weekends can be sketchy with social obligations, its extremely easy to lose track of something as minor as a lottery cycle in a video game.

It's not uncommon for people to be so exhausted after getting home that 5 mins checking on a video game is a tall order. That's not even mentioning people who's jobs can often take them to areas with horrible internet/no internet, like my friend's who once every 3-4 months, she has to fly out to backwater parts of Africa for several days where you'd be lucky to stay connected to FF14 for longer than 30s (if they even have internet in the place she goes to). If the lottery cycle had been any shorter, she would have missed out on getting her medium when the new wards opened.

The 5 day bidding, 4 day confirmation was specifically chosen so that way the extremely vast majority will have an opportunity to place a bid & check the results of said bid, no matter how crummy their job situation as a courtesy. There's zero chance they ever shorten it.

5 day entry guarantees entry period straddles a Friday night, Saturday or Sunday which is when much of the playerbase is available to put in a ticket. This makes it more accessible. And the 4 day pickup is reasonable since if you put in a bid during that time period, you'll probably make time to login and check if you one. And 9 days means that lottery doesn't always start/stop on the same day like it would if it was 4/3 or 5/2 or something.

Even on the busy servers, grabbing a small was pretty easy, but hmm that doesn't seem right. Moving to Dynamis is always an option, but hmm, that doesn't seem right either. Should I lower my expectations or the number of days in the lottery period?

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Originally Posted by Elevin

People work and have lives. the 9 day rotation works well because of that.

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Understand that people have different work schedules.

However, if the lottery time is shortened, for example, 2 days entry, and 2 days results, then in a period of a month, you would be able to enter way more lotteries (7times) than the current system (3times).

Surely during those 7 times, there are a couple entries that fit your schedule, so you can pick and choose which ones that fit your schedule. And probably you could even enter more entries than in the current system.

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

However, if the lottery time is shortened, for example, 2 days entry, and 2 days results, then in a period of a month, you would be able to enter way more lotteries (7times) than the current system (3times).

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Which would benefit no one. Fewer houses are freed up by auto demolition in 4 days compared to 9 days, so your chances would not go up despite getting more entries. Let's say it's 1 house per day. In 4 days 4 people get a house, in 9 days 9 people get a house. After 36 days the result is 36 new house owners no matter how long the lottery cycle is.

but mooooooooom i want my house nowwwwwwwwwwwwww

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Originally Posted by Hycinthus

Understand that people have different work schedules.

However, if the lottery time is shortened, for example, 2 days entry, and 2 days results, then in a period of a month, you would be able to enter way more lotteries (7times) than the current system (3times).

Surely during those 7 times, there are a couple entries that fit your schedule, so you can pick and choose which ones that fit your schedule. And probably you could even enter more entries than in the current system.

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Entering more lotteries doesn't mean more available plots or less competition, though. If the lottery period is too short, there many be multiple lotteries with no plots at all.

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Originally Posted by muras4ki

Even on the busy servers, grabbing a small was pretty easy, but hmm that doesn't seem right. Moving to Dynamis is always an option, but hmm, that doesn't seem right either. Should I lower my expectations or the number of days in the lottery period?

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I still know people that complain they don't have a house, even a small... when there were over 100 uncontested smalls in the private-buyer wards after the first lottery. No idea what they are bidding on. If they were bidding on larges against dozens of players but then complain they didn't get a small, you just can't help them.

As the second lottery closed, I was running around the Goblet yelling out in Novice Network all the smalls with 0 bids. Still... they went unpurchased until the 3rd lottery.

On my server, there isn't a housing shortage. If you wanted a small and didn't get one, in most cases, it was because you were lazy (didn't bid or just bid on the first one you saw) or got greedy (went for a medium or large). Get something so you can start placing some outdoor furnishings and enjoy some aspects of housing. Then when more houses open up, like after the next "purge" from auto-demo being back on, you can bid knowing that you still have a house to go back to when/if you lose.

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Originally Posted by dspguy

I still know people that complain they don't have a house, even a small... when there were over 100 uncontested smalls in the private-buyer wards after the first lottery. No idea what they are bidding on. If they were bidding on larges against dozens of players but then complain they didn't get a small, you just can't help them.

As the second lottery closed, I was running around the Goblet yelling out in Novice Network all the smalls with 0 bids. Still... they went unpurchased until the 3rd lottery.

On my server, there isn't a housing shortage. If you wanted a small and didn't get one, in most cases, it was because you were lazy (didn't bid or just bid on the first one you saw) or got greedy (went for a medium or large). Get something so you can start placing some outdoor furnishings and enjoy some aspects of housing. Then when more houses open up, like after the next "purge" from auto-demo being back on, you can bid knowing that you still have a house to go back to when/if you lose.

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The first 2 cycles since the new wards were implemented, the mediums i bid on, I lost to first time buyers, so a lot of them took their chances unfortunately on a medium rather than going for a small. They still haven't touched the houses...shows how interested in decorating they were. /o\

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Originally Posted by Elevin

The first 2 cycles since the new wards were implemented, the mediums i bid on, I lost to first time buyers, so a lot of them took their chances unfortunately on a medium rather than going for a small. They still haven't touched the houses...shows how interested in decorating they were. /o\

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Oh, that definitely happens. There are first-timers winning mediums and larges. There are likely more first timers losing mediums and larges than winning them. And then they have to fight for what's left. It all depends on what their priority is. If they prefer the higher chance of winning nothing at all and having no house vs owning a medium or large, then that's their prerogative. However, these same players shouldn't complain if they can't get a small then. Of course, there are probably still servers were every small in the new non-FC-only wards all went in the first lottery. I'm on a medium-to-high population server and supposedly one of the higher "active population" servers- and we had at least 100 open smalls across all 5 districts in the private-buyer wards.

I'd personally like it reduced to 7 days total.

3 for entry, 4 for results.