Face it, this game is in maintenance mode now, i.e. managed decline

Hop over to fresh new 10/10 games like Forspoken

You spelled Hogwarts Legacy wrong. Although the game I go back to the most these days is Deep Rock Galactic. ROCK AND STONE!

Considering that FF11 (which actually is in official maintenance mode) still gets regular updates more often than many MMOs that are supposedly actively developed, I think I will trust FF14 to be developed for many more years and not "hop over" to some random unproven game.

Just got back and already making multiple threads, huh? Lots of catching up to do.

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You spelled Hogwarts Legacy wrong.

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..hasnt even been released yet?

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Just got back and already making multiple threads, huh? Lots of catching up to do.

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Going for quantity over quality too. I've seen funnier troll post.

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Originally Posted by MagiusNecros

Hogwarts Legacy

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Don't let Twitter catch you saying that!

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

..hasnt even been released yet?

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Some already got it and are playing. Official early access is on the 7th and worldwide on the 10th of Feb :)

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..hasnt even been released yet?

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It's that fresh. And I can't wait to get lost on February 10th! It's gonna be exciting!!

If you believe that, then have fun in Forspoken.

There isn't currently any evidence that it's in decline, but evidence like that takes time to be presented because how statistics are collected over time and how company reports are usually quarterly.

The last statistics from Lucky Bancho, is 1.36 million active characters as of the end of last year.

Compared to the same time 2 years before it, where we had 900,000 active characters, that is an increase of 460,000 characters.

Compared to the same patch in Shadowbringers, just before 5.3, where we had 970,000 active characters, that is an increase of 390,000 characters.

I'm always open minded about this happening eventually, but the evidence doesn't currently show a decline.

Oh great the troll is back.

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I'm always open minded about this happening eventually, but the evidence doesn't currently show a decline.

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when has the OP ever let actual evidence get in the way of a post?

neopets is going to make a resurgence and then we'll all be sorry

Skiros bans are never long enough.

You know sometimes I have trouble telling if people online ar juste trolls or genuinely believe what they say. I think this thread has made it clear where the OP stands, so thanks I suppose!

While I agree completely theres no need to jump ship yet.

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Originally Posted by Oizen

While I agree completely theres no need to jump ship yet.

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The game is nowhere near maintenance mode let alone decline...it keeps going up and you don't invest in doing all these core foundational reworks and a visual upgrade...if you're going into decline. But welcome back Skiros your bait is much missed...to an extent.

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Originally Posted by Pratini

Oh great the troll is back.

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While true, the thread did remind me that Hogwart's Legacy is coming out soon! I might check it out after the general reviews come out.

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

While true, the thread did remind me that Hogwart's Legacy is coming out soon! I might check it out after the general reviews come out.

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Maintenance mode and steady [managed] decline can't exist at the same time. It's one or the other, bub.

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Originally Posted by Luluya

neopets is going to make a resurgence and then we'll all be sorry

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Not if Club Penguin beats it first!

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

The game is nowhere near maintenance mode let alone decline...it keeps going up and you don't invest in doing all these core foundational reworks and a visual upgrade...if you're going into decline. But welcome back Skiros your bait is much missed...to an extent.

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"keeps going up" is a bit of a cope there really, it isnt, its stable or slowly declining but nothing catastrophic

Each expansion has had a consistent increase of player activity prior to the wow exodus...recurring and active player numbers have been on the rise year to year...those can be found...I don't think you can find your declining facts...because if you show me mid-patch numbers that's just because people are playing other things before the next content drop...all MMOs have mid-patch luls its common but when it comes to content release its always high player counts. Heck if we want to be random registered users keeps on getting higher....already had 2 million more registered user from 6.1 to 6.3..... but then we can say that doesn't mean anything true to an extent.

There is no cope...the numbers ain't lying, I would agree with you if the facts matched what you were saying XD

The crazy thing is that there are players out there who actually think that. A year or so before Endwalker, I had a discussion with someone I was close with who was extremely convinced that FF XIV would go F2P in the then next couple of months because "everything was pointing to it, including the cash shop" and that people were losing interest in this game.

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Originally Posted by MistakeNot

Considering that FF11 (which actually is in official maintenance mode) still gets regular updates more often than many MMOs that are supposedly actively developed, I think I will trust FF14 to be developed for many more years and not "hop over" to some random unproven game.

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maybe but if they can't fix certain bugs properly and quality test patches work before releasing then it won't last as much. Plus they need some better invigorating content if they want to last another 10 years at least. The new raid as nice as it is is way to short I feel and burn the bosses very fast

This also goes in hand with what I made in another post that I feel that they are spending more time working on the foundation of the game then say endgame. They are clearly tidying up the new player experience and how new people are interacting with the game. That is just as important for the longevity of the game. I would love more consistent things to do but I would sacrifice me playing the game more if it meant more people pick it up because X,Y or Z put a new player off whether that is outdated systems, ARR being too long and needing more chop, the visual overhaul because as much as we can say art direction carries a game...visuals go a long way in keeping people playing outside of gameplay and systems.

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

This also goes in hand with what I made in another post that I feel that they are spending more time working on the foundation of the game then say endgame. They are clearly tidying up the new player experience and how new people are interacting with the game. That is just as important for the longevity of the game. I would love more consistent things to do but I would sacrifice me playing the game more if it meant more people pick it up because X,Y or Z put a new player off whether that is outdated systems, ARR being too long and needing more chop, the visual overhaul because as much as we can say art direction carries a game...visuals go a long way in keeping people playing outside of gameplay and systems.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that they're trying to adjust the earlier stuff before focusing on the endgame again. Make it easier to get TO the endgame before actually working on it more. The endgame can be amazing, but if it's a slog to get there, how many players are you actually going to keep? Plus trying to make workarounds for the original spaghetti code can only help in the long run, since that means they don't have to jump through as many hoops to get things added to the game.

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I have a sneaking suspicion that they're trying to adjust the earlier stuff before focusing on the endgame again. Make it easier to get TO the endgame before actually working on it more. The endgame can be amazing, but if it's a slog to get there, how many players are you actually going to keep? Plus trying to make workarounds for the original spaghetti code can only help in the long run, since that means they don't have to jump through as many hoops to get things added to the game.

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I agree...no point getting new players to join if the mountain to get to endgame is so high plus we don't know what else they're working on. So much stuff has been streamlined, QoL etc its hard to really grasp it...if you just doing raiding or ultimate sure I get the frustration but its always an issue when they are making the game for multiple demographics.

This isn't maintainance mode. Before I decided to devote my online time to FFXIV I was playing an MMO that truly felt like it was just keeping itself above maintainance mode.

One, maybe two (if you were lucky) new episodes every five or six months and the rest of the time it was nothing but FOMO fueled events to pad their login numbers, 'sales' of their loot box nonsense and uber-expensive bundles (£250 - £300).

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

SE: We'll continue XIV for 10 more years, we're working on the next expansion and graphics update!
People with zero brain cells: ded gaem lul :D

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That's a very stupid take, any company making a new expansion doesnt make the game alive and well.

The game being on a constant high upward trend is literally a cope moment, it's stable at best or on a very slow decline, as I said nothing catastrophic at all but let's not pretend that the game is on an extreme upward trend

Every MMO hits a plateau and eventually starts to decline. WoW's peak was Wrath, and it's been trending downward (with occasionally temporary upsurges when new expansions drop) ever since. FFXIV is no exception here. It too will reach its peak, if it hasn't already, and go into decline afterward.

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Originally Posted by Absimiliard

Every MMO hits a plateau and eventually starts to decline. WoW's peak was Wrath, and it's been trending downward (with occasionally temporary upsurges when new expansions drop) ever since. FFXIV is no exception here. It too will reach its peak, if it hasn't already, and go into decline afterward.

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It already reached its peak with the giant increase in popularity and population with all the WoW players leaving to join XIV, and it's been pretty much downhill since to more normal levels of popularity, and is I think stable or slightly going down especially since it's confirmed there wont be any expansion in 2023, some more will probably leave, some will stay thanks to their houses and the auto demo system.

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It already reached its peak with the giant increase in popularity and population with all the WoW players leaving to join XIV, and it's been pretty much downhill since to more normal levels of popularity, and is I think stable or slightly going down especially since it's confirmed there wont be any expansion in 2023, some more will probably leave, some will stay thanks to their houses and the auto demo system.

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Have you got proof of this decline...because even looking at population sites its going up...steam isn't a good metric because people use 3rd party launchers or official site launchers and not even console playerbase which is likely much bigger than the PC side. its not about coping I would just like to be proven wrong here, they have given a roadmap of what to expect and it is easy to do the math when the next expansion will be due (Probably end of Feb to end of March likely) it isn't that much further back honestly. Its hard to say it has even hit peak because Endwalker destroyed its last peak being shadowbringers.... we don't know how 7.0 will be yet..if it launches and numbers are lower sure...but now we can't really grasp that yet.

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I do not "pretend that the game is on an extreme upward trend". I never said that, it's just you twisting my words. I do believe that the game is stable though and will be for a very long time. They wouldn't be investing in new servers and a graphics overhaul if it were on a decline. Business facts.

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The new servers were announced way back when the spike from WoW was in effect to try and help with the huge queues, Materia is a new DC that is in life support, Dynamis is very meh, only Seraph is alive, the rest is pretty much deserted except for housing purposes, most people go to Aether or Crystal to do content as the wait times are hours long.

As for the new EU DC, if you think it will be a success, you are in for a rude awakening, Sagittarius which is my world is already very much dead, with multiple mediums not even taken in PERSONAL wards, just like Raiden on Light, only Phantom and Alpha are nicely populated, if you think an entire new DC of 8 worlds will work, I dont know what to tell you

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Originally Posted by Erinellza

I do not "pretend that the game is on an extreme upward trend". I never said that, it's just you twisting my words. I do believe that the game is stable though and will be for a very long time. They wouldn't be investing in new servers and a graphics overhaul if it were on a decline. Business facts.

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While not something reliable....mmo population sites literally show it on an upward trend.... I mean man if it wasn't the case why do we need new data centers and more servers to accommodate... why do we keep getting more and more people registering to play which even these active player numbers on these sites don't include free trial players. The game is very healthy at the moment, I think we have to wait to 7.0/7.1 to really see where we are heading.

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The new servers were announced way back when the spike from WoW was in effect to try and help with the huge queues, Materia is a new DC that is in life support, Dynamis is very meh, only Seraph is alive, the rest is pretty much deserted except for housing purposes, most people go to Aether or Crystal to do content as the wait times are hours long.

As for the new EU DC, if you think it will be a success, you are in for a rude awakening, Sagittarius which is my world is already very much dead, with multiple mediums not even taken in PERSONAL wards, just like Raiden on Light, only Phantom and Alpha are nicely populated, if you think an entire new DC of 8 worlds will work, I dont know what to tell you

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I am on Odin and I have never had a simple log in without a small wait...even if its 100 people in the queue it still means the world is at capacity, using new worlds/DCs like materia doesn't bode well with your argument because a lot of those players were fighting between higher ping or leaving friends behind so that is a more complicated matter.

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Originally Posted by CStrife912

While not something reliable....mmo population sites literally show it on an upward trend.... I mean man if it wasn't the case why do we need new data centers and more servers to accommodate... why do we keep getting more and more people registering to play which even these active player numbers on these sites don't include free trial players. The game is very healthy at the moment, I think we have to wait to 7.0/7.1 to really see where we are heading.

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Dynamis is literally dead except for Seraph which is the only sort of alive world, the others are used either for housing purpose or for very tiny communities, and people have to go cross DC to Aether or Crystal to do anything

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Hop over to fresh new 10/10 games like Forspoken

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I would certainly choose Forspoken's story over Endwalker's, at any rate. While its gameplay is said to suffer it cannot possibly be worse than certain FFXIV jobs at the moment.

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While not something reliable....mmo population sites literally show it on an upward trend.... I mean man if it wasn't the case why do we need new data centers and more servers to accommodate... why do we keep getting more and more people registering to play which even these active player numbers on these sites don't include free trial players. The game is very healthy at the moment, I think we have to wait to 7.0/7.1 to really see where we are heading.



I am on Odin and I have never had a simple log in without a small wait...even if its 100 people in the queue it still means the world is at capacity, using new worlds/DCs like materia doesn't bode well with your argument because a lot of those players were fighting between higher ping or leaving friends behind so that is a more complicated matter.

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I hope you know most of these queues are from bots that you can literally see spawn outside Uldah or New Gridania, they come out of the floor in literal droves and just tp all over the place, else there wouldnt be a 30 people queue at 4 AM on a saturday on EU.

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Dynamis is literally dead except for Seraph which is the only sort of alive world, the others are used either for housing purpose or for very tiny communities, and people have to go cross DC to Aether or Crystal to do anything

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I responded above the issue there extends to the other issue with a lot of the Aussie playerbase not wanting to leave their mates etc on the Jap DCs so that's why they kept putting a ton of incentives for people to move over but I feel for now its proven more people would take the ping hit etc then move to a new world. Also just cause all houses aren't taken doesn't represent a dead world....my server is busy and yet there are gaps in housing in ishgard in my ward...some people don't want a small house or a medium its all or nothing with some people. I am not saying you're wrong its just a wider issue :)

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Originally Posted by Skiros

Hop over to fresh new 10/10 games like Forspoken

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Dammit man...jut when I had hope we'd get some good classic Trolling.
Its already boring and old.

You aimed for the Sun right out the gate, and already burned out.