Market wards - Auction hous status for 2.0?

The latest interviews and info regarding 2.0 are all very interesting but I didn't find much info on how the market wards system (auction house) is going to be in 2.0.
Can someone pls link info on that or have one of the dev reps give a clear vision about what they have planned for 2.0 in this regards?

I would also love this information. Read a recent post talking about bazaar and retainer functionality in 2.0 and it made me worry. Market Wards are improved but daggumit, it can be far simpler to manage your buying/selling. I can't think of any reason to hold onto this crazy system.

I believe the above is referring to this post:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

Originally we had envisioned a variety of content for retainers, but we held off on them and kept retainers as they are currently. In version 2.0, we are planning to expand their uses beyond just the current bazaar system, as well as raising their levels and the things they can do. However, we do not have any plans of linking the inventory slot numbers to their levels, so leveling them up will not yield a greater amount of inventory space.

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I agree with Tonka... I hope they scrap the market wards in favor of a global auction house. The current system is a headache. Perhaps treat your retainer as storage (think moghouse moogle)/AH access within your own home instance. With the ability to summon them to the outside world for whatever expanded retainer functionality they're adding (assuming it's like the companion NPCs in FFXI). Would be nice to get some more concrete info.

I think they said they are going back to the normal Auction House type. Like the one in XI or WoW. I believe it was in the Letter from the Producer LIVE. And you can pay (I wasn't sure if it was Real Money or In game gil) to rent a Retainer for extra space.

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Originally Posted by TokyieRage

I think they said they are going back to the normal Auction House type. Like the one in XI or WoW. I believe it was in the Letter from the Producer LIVE. And you can pay (I wasn't sure if it was Real Money or In game gil) to rent a Retainer for extra space.

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Can anyone confirm this pls? (link?)

The post does refer to bazaar functionality. I'm curious to what degree. And will we go back to having bazaars littering the landscape like XI if the Wards are done away with. (I can handle that more than using the Market Wards...lol)

Here's another quote from earlier in the year that indicates there wills till be Market Wards:

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Originally Posted by Rukkirii

We are planning on linking all three market wards together in 2.0! The reason behind not being able to link them earlier than that is due to the current system limitations.

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I'm open to a revamp of the Market Wards. But to make them as convenient as an auction house...I have no idea why a physical set of "wards" would even be necessary. Especially if they link across the cities. What is the reason one would need to physically place a retainer in a ward? Why not just have it in your home instance or something, if we must continue to hang on to the retainer system?

Personally, I hope they change the role of retainers one day soon.

Storage should be part of housing. Purchasing should be made via NPC shops, an auction house or personal Bazaar.

Maybe I'm wrong but the only reason FFXI had so many mules selling gear was because we were limited to posting no more than 7 items on the AH in one go. Was that an RMT measure?

As long as they don't limit the number of things you can sell on the AH and they let us store gear in our houses, I see no reason to keep retainers in the game for their current purpose.

I do remember reading (maybe officially, in a dream or on a thread - I may be making this up) that we could summon retainers whilst in the field, get them to take goods to the AH, take gear back home, put stuff up for sale or make purchases/deliver mail on our behalf.

Just like I do with the missus. Lol

How I personally would like to see the flow of buying / selling: 1 window with different tabs

Selling:
- Drag/drop from your inventory into the AH window's "sell" tab, or dubbelclick/rightclick from your inventory to sell something.
-> Pop-up window (or integrated in selling tab) with an overview of the actual average price, the actual lowest price and a price history, with the option to either: follow average price or equal the lowest price, or alternatively put in a custom price.
-> confirm

Buying:
- Choose by category or search by item name, type or level in the buying tab.
It should include the option to choose to display any equipable weapon (or armor) that is better than what you're wearing (for your level and class/job).
For crafters: search by recipe-level and display materials etc.
-> When you click on an item in the list displayed, it should automatically show you an overview of current prices/sellers and price history of that item, and suggest to buy that item the lowest priced atm (Still giving you the option to buy from someone else / more expensive)
-> Confirm (either it goes to straight to you inventory, or to a purchased tab idc)

- A market system that is linked through the 3 cities
- Limited to minimum 30-50 items on sale.
- Retainers for housing and storage purposes.
- A minimum on response time for any of the actions performed.

Not a must but definite plus: Selling straight from inventory when out of town (through retainer/moogle transporting services?)

I hope they completely kill the MW off and add a typical AH style interface like FF11/WoW/Aion and every other MMO out there.

I wouldn't mind retainers becoming more like housemaids/butlers who can tend your chocobo and garden and manage your house storage etc, that would be a much better fit for them IMO.

Lilith that is exactly what I want also, I just know SE are guna screw this up though, I can feel the impending disappointment already.

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Originally Posted by IvoryFox

I agree with Tonka... I hope they scrap the market wards in favor of a global auction house.

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Both would be nice. I enjoy retainers, just not when it's my only option.

I hope we get plenty of sorting/filtering options for our AH (and other buy/sell screens), such as show only gear for current job/level, diciples of land/war/hand/magic, sort by highest def/str/anystatyouwant, and so on. And of course, an pop-ups showing our currently gear side by side with the gear we're about to buy, so that we can efficiently compare them.

Another feature that I really like from WoW is that if you input the name of a piece of gear in a certain way while chatting, other people in the chat can click it and instantly see the stats of the item in a popup. That's really nice when asking for gear advice and stuff. We already have auto translation tags for gear, if it was possible to just keep that and be able to for example right click the auto translated gear when it pops up in the chat log to display the item, that would be pretty cool.

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Originally Posted by Lilith

How I personally would like to see the flow of buying / selling: 1 window with different tabs

Selling:
- Drag/drop from your inventory into the AH window's "sell" tab, or dubbelclick/rightclick from your inventory to sell something.
-> Pop-up window (or integrated in selling tab) with an overview of the actual average price, the actual lowest price and a price history, with the option to either: follow average price or equal the lowest price, or alternatively put in a custom price.
-> confirm

Buying:
- Choose by category or search by item name, type or level in the buying tab.
It should include the option to choose to display any equipable weapon (or armor) that is better than what you're wearing (for your level and class/job).
For crafters: search by recipe-level and display materials etc.
-> When you click on an item in the list displayed, it should automatically show you an overview of current prices/sellers and price history of that item, and suggest to buy that item the lowest priced atm (Still giving you the option to buy from someone else / more expensive)
-> Confirm (either it goes to straight to you inventory, or to a purchased tab idc)

- A market system that is linked through the 3 cities
- Limited to minimum 30-50 items on sale.
- Retainers for housing and storage purposes.
- A minimum on response time for any of the actions performed.

Not a must but definite plus: Selling straight from inventory when out of town (through retainer/moogle transporting services?)

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Ditto to everything you said.

I had to buy a new set of armor/weapon stuffs today because I'd outleveled most of my stuff...I felt like it took forever since I couldn't sort by level or preferred job/class. And when I'd come across something I liked, there weren't any for sale...I sure would love to search only the stuff that's available. Lol

As long as people remember that what we currently have is a heavy work-around on a mostly broken system that does absolutely everything possible to make it work without breaking it entirely, there should be no need to panic.

I'm pretty sure that whatever they come up with, be it traditional auction house or market wards simmilar to what we currently have serving as an auction house, will be suitably designed in the engine and server structure to work as required without all the glitchyness and issues we are currently having to put up with.

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Originally Posted by Catapult

As long as people remember that what we currently have is a heavy work-around on a mostly broken system that does absolutely everything possible to make it work without breaking it entirely, there should be no need to panic.

I'm pretty sure that whatever they come up with, be it traditional auction house or market wards simmilar to what we currently have serving as an auction house, will be suitably designed in the engine and server structure to work as required without all the glitchyness and issues we are currently having to put up with.

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Don't worry guys, it's only the alpha version. Don't worry guys, it's only the beta. Don't worry guys, it just released. Don't worry guys, it's only the first patch. Don't worry guys, it's just the first couple of years. Don't worry guys, it's only 2.0 alpha. Don't worry guys, it's only 2.0 beta. Don't worry guys, 2.0 just released. Don't worry guys, it's only FF vs XIV-2 5.0.

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Originally Posted by Tonka

Don't worry guys, it's only the alpha version. Don't worry guys, it's only the beta. Don't worry guys, it just released. Don't worry guys, it's only the first patch. Don't worry guys, it's just the first couple of years. Don't worry guys, it's only 2.0 alpha. Don't worry guys, it's only 2.0 beta. Don't worry guys, 2.0 just released. Don't worry guys, it's only FF vs XIV-2 5.0.

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I wouldn't put it this harsh. I really think (hope) they're doing a good job on developing 2.0, but I'm still cautious.
I don't think we should blindly trust SE and I'm also not panicking, but the fact that we haven't gotten any real info on the MW or AH system is worrisome. I don't want to wait until they tell us that they have a system ready that doesn't appeal to the majority of player-base, and that it's too late to change it.
Instead I would like to have information on what they are working on atm and how they envision it. At the same time I'd like to have a constructive discussion with suggestions from the community.

Lol. I'm just saying, "put your trust in SE," isn't something some people really can do when it comes to XIV. Do I think they can knock it out of the park with 2.0? Yeah, it's totally doable. Will they? No clue. There comes a point when you stop blindly trusting and you need to see it to believe it.

I'm not saying it WILL suck. But I think it's silly to just assume it'll be great.

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Originally Posted by Tonka

Don't worry guys, it's only the alpha version. Don't worry guys, it's only the beta. Don't worry guys, it just released. Don't worry guys, it's only the first patch. Don't worry guys, it's just the first couple of years. Don't worry guys, it's only 2.0 alpha. Don't worry guys, it's only 2.0 beta. Don't worry guys, 2.0 just released. Don't worry guys, it's only FF vs XIV-2 5.0.

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Never truer words spoken.

As far as I'm concerned this dev team still have a lot to prove, granted Yoshi-p has done a good job considering what he's had to work with but that still doesn't mean we should just sit back and hope for the best, especially where UI comes in, SE aren't really renowned for PC style interfaces.

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Originally Posted by Lilith

I don't think we should blindly trust SE and I'm also not panicking, but the fact that we haven't gotten any real info on the MW or AH system is worrisome.

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This is the biggest concern really, I know Yoshi-p mentioned in an interview that Alpha would be the testing ground for the new PC UI and Mouse/Keyboard controls so hopefully this will include the MW/AH interface/functionality.

Here's a quote from one the old 2.0 interviews. http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=28181

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ZAM: What will the markets look like (in appearance) after Version 2.0 is released?

Yoshida: We will get rid of the current market system involving a large numbers of retainers being crammed into one location. We will reveal details with screenshots closer to the release of 2.0. The new markets will be easier to use and more aesthetically pleasing.

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My understanding is that they are going to redesign market wards but also create an auction house to accompany the wards. I'll see if I can find anymore information on it.

I personally really like the market ward system. It could use improvement to handle more retainers in wards but the idea of having your own personal shop selling stuff is really interesting to me. Plus it's not like the current system is terrible at obtaining or selling items, with the exception of again the number of people allowed in the favorite city's wards. Can't we just try and not relate it to another game and take it for what it is?

I don't really have anything to contribute to this thread, but I would like to say that the title reminded me of Peggy saying "PIZZA HAUS" on the phone.

They must do something quick fix short term with the wards. Trying to get a retainer into a main city ward is next to impossible. I try to check ours almost daily and im now going on 3 weeks without 1 :(

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Originally Posted by Taokii

I personally really like the market ward system. It could use improvement to handle more retainers in wards but the idea of having your own personal shop selling stuff is really interesting to me. Plus it's not like the current system is terrible at obtaining or selling items, with the exception of again the number of people allowed in the favorite city's wards. Can't we just try and not relate it to another game and take it for what it is?

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With their "fixes", what is the point of having to have a physical retainer in a ward to sell something? People buying things don't ever have to interact with them besides the issue with +1 items. That's ignoring the fact that I can't even get in on the hot Ul'dah market action but rather that it seems incredibly pointless and adds additional steps to something that should be simple.

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Originally Posted by Zetsumei_Tsunarashi

Here's a quote from one the old 2.0 interviews. http://ffxiv.zam.com/story.html?story=28181



My understanding is that they are going to redesign market wards but also create an auction house to accompany the wards. I'll see if I can find anymore information on it.

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Sounds like redundancy if you ask me, they should just get over their pride and scrap the marketwards and start again.

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Originally Posted by Taokii

I personally really like the market ward system. It could use improvement to handle more retainers in wards but the idea of having your own personal shop selling stuff is really interesting to me. Plus it's not like the current system is terrible at obtaining or selling items, with the exception of again the number of people allowed in the favorite city's wards. Can't we just try and not relate it to another game and take it for what it is?

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I don't think we can no, people have experience with other games weather that be FF11 or WoW, Aion or Tera, which all do a better job at the marketplace than this game does, the idea of the marketward was good in theory but it didn't work.

Allowing more retainers into the marketward will only create more congestion and server issues in the long run, especially considering that in 2.0 the population is mostly likely to grow much larger.

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Originally Posted by Deggers

They must do something quick fix short term with the wards. Trying to get a retainer into a main city ward is next to impossible. I try to check ours almost daily and im now going on 3 weeks without 1 :(

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Totally agree with this, they should reset all retainers every 72 hours in my opinion to allow new people into the Ul'dah wards, its pretty ridiculous how some people have had the same retainer up for months non stop.

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Originally Posted by Taokii

I personally really like the market ward system. It could use improvement to handle more retainers in wards but the idea of having your own personal shop selling stuff is really interesting to me. Plus it's not like the current system is terrible at obtaining or selling items, with the exception of again the number of people allowed in the favorite city's wards. Can't we just try and not relate it to another game and take it for what it is?

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As being part of FF series most of us like (love) the fact that this games does things it's own way. No issue at all there. Buying and selling should go really smoothly and fast. The efficiency and pace of the transactions will always be compared to other games/mmo's, and rightly so. Finding the item you want as fast as possible or selling it efficiently is always a MUST, no matter if you call it an auction house, broker, or market wards.
There has been PLENTY of good (and bad) ideas all over these forums about how to do it. Now it's time SE tells us what they are planning for 2.0 so that at least we can give some feedback before development is at the point of no return.

The current system is terrible.

Just wipe it all out, and make a normal auction house. Copy the one from FFXI if you must--even with its shortcomings, it was leaps and bounds better than this retainer crap.