"It’s very difficult for me to understand as a gamer what the meaning behind using numerous third-party tools to compete to clear first would be." - Yoshi-P
It's like you're setting a console game to extreme difficulty and plugging in your Game Genie so you can post on insta and be like "Hey look how good I am!"
Why do people even care about this stuff in an MMO?
I've been playing MMORPGs since the EverQuest days (yeah, I'm old), and all of the gameplay, raiding, etc. was always about having fun together with a group of friends online. When did it become about bragging rights and flexing?
Seriously asking, why do people care about this stuff to this degree? Clearing savage content has been fun for me, but it's about having fun w/ my group, and the majority of my time spent in XIV is doing other fun things with folks outside of high-end content. The game itself isn't really designed to make high-end content necessary to enjoy it (which I consider I big plus).
Ultimates, add-ons, what is the point even?
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02-01-2023, 09:02 AMPikoAliapohUltimates, add-ons, what is the point even?
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02-01-2023, 09:02 AMVahlnir
I don't think we needed another thread about this, to be honest. There are 5 other threads related to the recent Ultimate, 4 of which are about add-ons and cheating.
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02-01-2023, 09:04 AMValkyrie_LennethQuote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
That's most threads in General Discussion.
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02-01-2023, 09:05 AMMagiusNecros
Sense of achievement. That this person did it first before anyone else. And getting a good job sticker from Yoshi P himself. That's all I can really see. Pissing contest at it's best.
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02-01-2023, 09:06 AMKazharNever, nothing changed, Ultimate raiding isn't limited only to the WF and let me be real honest with you because I'm real tired of this: absolutely nobody cares about your outsider view on the subject.Quote:
Originally Posted by PikoAliapoh
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02-01-2023, 09:06 AMPikoAliapoh
Also, the topic is entirely different. I'm not moaning about people cheating or the difficulty of the new raid. I'm asking why people care to begin with... the whole scene and drama around it seem to not vibe with the ethos of most MMORPG games... Like, go play OverWatch in a esport league if you're that intense.
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02-01-2023, 09:09 AMMilkieTeaThis. People refuse to use megathreads - I'm surprised General Discussions Off Topic thread has stayed relatively relevant for so long ngl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
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02-01-2023, 09:11 AMPikoAliapohAh yes, completely an outsider view. I forgot everyone who plays XIV is all about ultimate raiding, and no one ever touches any of the other content. Woops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazhar
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02-01-2023, 09:11 AMVahlnirUnfortunately, this is probably at least partly why we seemingly get ignored over here. lol Too much chaos to sift through.Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkieTea
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02-01-2023, 09:18 AMMilkieTeaOh 100%. Why come over here and sift through thread #99 about Ultimates (that's probably on its' 10th page) when they could go to the JP forums which don't have nearly as much chaos.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
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02-01-2023, 09:25 AMMagiusNecrosIt's pretty equal regardless. Either you sift through 30 topics being a couple pages each or you sift through one megathread of 300+ pages.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
It'll take the same amount of time regardless. If they have good mods I wager they can sift through the smaller topic chains first. -
02-01-2023, 09:28 AMWyssahtynmate some rando on the dps forums went out of their way to compile all the various samurai complaint threads after se specifically asked for feedback into a single megapost with links and shit and that shit has gone completely ignored by the devs. megathreads are just an excuse they use. they'll cherry pick whatever feedback they want regardlessQuote:
Originally Posted by Vahlnir
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02-01-2023, 09:29 AMVahlnirAs I said, I feel it only part of the problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wyssahtyn
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02-01-2023, 09:29 AMShirala
I've been playing MMO's since The Realm (yes, I'm ancient), and I believe it became all about "epeen" when WoW started up "esports".
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02-01-2023, 09:33 AMPikoAliapohlmao, mood. seeing all these other people get world first clears makes things very e-masculating too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shirala
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02-01-2023, 10:42 AMRenaltThat's because a handful of us are keeping it alive...FOREVER!Quote:
Originally Posted by MilkieTea
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02-01-2023, 11:16 AMDeedlit
Go do one, then. We'll wait.
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02-01-2023, 11:29 AMdspguy
I appreciate a thread with a different take on the situation.
On one hand, glam, mounts, titles are the end-game. Having a rare title, mount, etc is a status symbol for many players. It is almost a way of saying "look what I did" without actually saying "look what I did." With that said, I've personally found that the value of world/server firsts don't really matter. Sure, a player will have the title/mount/etc first. But within some period of time, suddenly, everyone has them.
I think I had the server first for crafters at 90. Let's say I actually did - now that title is everywhere. Who cares that I got it first (maybe)? One of the titles I was most proud of was Hand of Creation. I got it back when those expert recipes for Firmament first came out. I wasn't the first, but I can only recall seeing one other player with it for months. I even put the completion date of it in my profile, since I was proud. And I'm still proud of it. However, it doesn't mean a damn thing. As time marches on, the synths become easier and the title is more prevalent than it ever was.
I'm not comparing Hand of Creation to clearing Ultimate (cheating or not). However, the "value" of it for bragging rights will disappear probably within a patch cycle. And if someone did get that title by way of cheating, it is an empty victory. Sure, you beat the system. Yay for them.