What's Going On w/ Map and Submarine Rewards? Lack of MB Availability?

So what exactly is going on with map and sub rewards (e.g. minions, plating, orchestrion, etc.)? We're almost in week 3 post-patch, and usually by now even the rarest map/sub items are freely available and significantly cheaper than what's on the MB now. I've been playing this game since 1.0 launch and I always farm what I can and buy what I can't, but I've never seen it (rewards and MB) like this before.

Did something happen? Lower player count? Some hard restriction on completing maps other than RNG (e.g. map difficulty, etc.)?

the sub/airship system is awful. my old FC we spent 4 months trying to unlock one location because we would never get the rng luck of it unlocking when it explored it. 4 months for a middle point location. From what my current fc leader has told me the new areas are even worse for discovery and my old FC has never missed a sub and is still struggling unlock stuff from this expansion.

For sub rewards, I'm guessing that there has been a lot of player upheaval due to Dynamis and new FC housing, and I assume that the newer sub stuff in particular requires max or near max leveled subs?

In that case, you're probably seeing the effect of a lot of active FCs on NA being relatively new: if you moved to Dynamis and founded a FC at the outset, you still had to wait the month waiting period before your FC was old enough to enter the housing lottery, and then five more days for the entry period to finish, before you could even begin leveling a submarine. So figure how many currently active FCs couldn't even have begun to level a submarine until middling-ish December and it's only been about 5-6 weeks or so since then.

How far can a fresh submarine level up in 5-6 weeks? (And that's assuming you aren't using voyage slots on airships as well to get that initial stockpile of supplies).

I'm not as sure about maps (unless the sheer number of different map types is starting to become a thing, so there's a slow decline in the percentage of map gather cooldowns that are used on the newest because of players that choose to collect older maps because they're after specific drops?).

Good insight. Subs makes sense, but I'm still stumped on maps. This would be expected if nobody was running maps, but I have no data to back that up. But something's amiss.

I don't think anything out of the ordinary is going on. It's taking some time for the subs to level, as it usually does. Mine are at 103, as I work on unlocking. I have yet to retrieve any new items. It's only been two weeks. :)

Which map items are you referring to? If you're willing to share that info. I just did maps last night, and kept a small list of things that we acquired from it. None of the items seemed particularly expensive. tbh I'm not even crazy about doing more, since the rewards were so cheap. Curious if there's a jackpot item I'm missing, or if you're referring to materials from an older map.

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

Which map items are you referring to? If you're willing to share that info. I just did maps last night, and kept a small list of things that we acquired from it. None of the items seemed particularly expensive. tbh I'm not even crazy about doing more, since the rewards were so cheap. Curious if there's a jackpot item I'm missing, or if you're referring to materials from an older map.

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Both of the minions that drop from new maps are worth $15 - $20mm a piece on the MB. Supply is low. RNG is RNG, but maps are casual content that is generally heavily participated in. So low supply on the MB after 2-3 weeks indicates something is up - and it's probably not the drop rate. No idea if it's just the RNG spinner is bad, there's a boss or two that is hard for the casual playerbase, or people just aren't running maps.

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Originally Posted by Greydor

Both of the minions that drop from new maps are worth $15 - $20mm a piece on the MB. Supply is low. RNG is RNG, but maps are casual content that is generally heavily participated in. So low supply on the MB after 2-3 weeks indicates something is up - and it's probably not the drop rate. No idea if it's just the RNG spinner is bad, there's a boss or two that is hard for the casual playerbase, or people just aren't running maps.

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Nothing is up. RNG is random and people are likely opting to use the minions over selling them.

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Originally Posted by Greydor

Both of the minions that drop from new maps are worth $15 - $20mm a piece on the MB. Supply is low. RNG is RNG, but maps are casual content that is generally heavily participated in. So low supply on the MB after 2-3 weeks indicates something is up - and it's probably not the drop rate. No idea if it's just the RNG spinner is bad, there's a boss or two that is hard for the casual playerbase, or people just aren't running maps.

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Those 2 minions only come from the hydaelyn space. I've been doing maps since they released and Saturday night was the first time I'd ever seen that special space get landed on, and it happened twice in the same map. Both minions dropped.

So I wanted one of the new Orchestrion scrolls and I see that its locked behind sub voyages as if people that own subs aren't already making easy gil, there are only 4 of these scrolls across all US servers and its going for like 13mil+. Stop locking out most players from getting these items.

Sounds like a self-feeding cycle. Some portion of those players doing the content know that these would be expensive, so they collect them instead of selling - and on the other end you have people like my friends who see those rare items, and look to keep the price as high as possible when selling.

I need another week on the submersible. Like at least a few more days to reach rank 105, then waiting to return from the final sector for a chance at the new minion. It's weird how sub rank just keeps climbing to the moon, but the old airships are still back at rank 50 cap iirc and not getting updates.

As for the new treasure maps, they really locked one of the minions behind landing on the silver panel which is so rare it's probably not even common knowledge that it can happen. On the old maps, somebody said it took them around 950 runs to hit silver 'abomination' once.

Sub rewards are up on the MB: I've sold a Bantam Train minion and a few of the Alchemist tabletop furniture/ingredients for it. My subs are just hitting max level tonight, so first ventures back from max level zones will be tomorrow. No sign of the Suzusaurus minion or any new Orchestrion rolls yet

The feathers for previous map mount hung around 3M each on my server for most of last year, and Phaethon horns drop at about the same rate that those did. Everyone is doing the new maps, the Pinky tonics drop from the old ones, and I'm guessing those have the same drop rate as the horns/feathers. New map minions are won the same way the Golden Beaver was in 5.3, which was around 10M on my server a year after it was introduced

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

As for the new treasure maps, they really locked one of the minions behind landing on the silver panel which is so rare it's probably not even common knowledge that it can happen. On the old maps, somebody said it took them around 950 runs to hit silver 'abomination' once.

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I have no idea on an exact count, but I did well over a thousand maps after they introduced the 5.x roulette, and saw the Silver Frog once. The spin didn't even land on the silver circle; it landed on Atamos, which flipped over to silver

I don't know about others, but our FC subs tend to ignore new areas and items and just focus on raw gil from the Salvaged items. Sure, we might get lucky on one of the money items and might sell it before it drops in price ...or we can bring in steady, consistent income.

I'm not complaining. All of our funds go back into the FC and our members, but I can see how maybe not everyone is chasing rng items.

As for maps, the minions are just extremely rare and maps aren't done quite as often. We used to do map nights all the time in FC, but participation has plummeted. They've been the same for years now and often not worth the time unless you're lucky.

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Originally Posted by Urielparadox

the sub/airship system is awful. my old FC we spent 4 months trying to unlock one location because we would never get the rng luck of it unlocking when it explored it. 4 months for a middle point location. From what my current fc leader has told me the new areas are even worse for discovery and my old FC has never missed a sub and is still struggling unlock stuff from this expansion.

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!?!?

Send 4 ships same locations to unlock and also you need to hit the areas in the vicinity around the spots you need to unlock, the community helps.

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Originally Posted by StouterTaru

I did well over a thousand maps after they introduced the 5.x roulette, and saw the Silver Frog once. The spin didn't even land on the silver circle; it landed on Atamos, which flipped over to silver

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As soon as I say this, we got 2 Silver rolls in the same day out of about a dozen maps and saw both minions. First from a choke, then from a straight roll.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

As for maps, the minions are just extremely rare and maps aren't done quite as often. We used to do map nights all the time in FC, but participation has plummeted. They've been the same for years now and often not worth the time unless you're lucky.

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Come to think of it, I wonder if certain aspects of Endwalker content have something to do with this.

Maps (hunts, too - have they been in decline as well? Or has easy materia and tome upgrades for raiders sustained them nonetheless?) work best if you can fly in all the zones the map might be in.

One begins to wonder if a lot of people (especially the more casual kind for whom maps and glam are endgame) noped out of flying because of certain obnoxious things like a certain blue-haired lad and therefore, may be less interested in overworld content now in general?

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Originally Posted by Amarande

Come to think of it, I wonder if certain aspects of Endwalker content have something to do with this.

Maps (hunts, too - have they been in decline as well? Or has easy materia and tome upgrades for raiders sustained them nonetheless?) work best if you can fly in all the zones the map might be in.

One begins to wonder if a lot of people (especially the more casual kind for whom maps and glam are endgame) noped out of flying because of certain obnoxious things like a certain blue-haired lad and therefore, may be less interested in overworld content now in general?

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Hunts have their peaks. We're in one right now because of the moonshine bits being available for nuts.

As far as maps go, I've opted out of PF because of some drama and the fact that I can't seem to win anything especially when I'm the only one getting us to the end. I'd rather do that with friends, but they're usually doing other things. :)

only 1 out of my 4 subs just hit 105 today. so it'll be another 40 hours or so until they come back from the final two sectors where the one orchestrion roll and the suzusaurus minion come from. no guarantee that it'll find it first time. the other 3 subs were just shy of 105 so it'll be another 30 before they come back again. maybe with more ominous plating, which i made a bantam train minion and sold others, which of the funds i've used to buy the burning horns, exciting tonics, and the philo and aidoneus minions. (because my treasure map luck is horrendous).