Deep dungeon for BLU only

You get a random assortment of spells in the beginning
Bosses and enemies are also randomized within a range and you can learn spells from them
Sounds good or not?

No, I'd much rather Blue Mage be updated to become a full job than to continue tacking on temporary fixes for what is essentially a dead-end class.

It's not what I would like to see but I'd accept it just so they'd do something with BLU

I'm expecting a BLU update to raise the level cap to 80 in patch 6.4 because BLU got their last level cap raise to 70 in patch 5.4. If that happened then X.4 patches will be officially where BLU gets new updates. It also provides players with something to do after they finish the savage raids, EW ultimates, and even the deep dungeon. Basically, a good time where most players have done a lot of things they planned to do.

In BLU gained access to: Deep Dungeons, Eureka/Bozja, and a unique Limit Job Roulette, then I would be completely happy with BLU, and any additional limited jobs they add, provided they can all access this content.

Or. . . I know this might be crazy. . . but how about just let BLU into PoTD / HOH?

Let people enjoy things.

It doesn't hurt anything, necromancer titles aren't that important in the grand scheme of things

This also applies to Eureka / Bozja. It's old outdated content. Let people have fun with it.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

You get a random assortment of spells in the beginning
Bosses and enemies are also randomized within a range and you can learn spells from them
Sounds good or not?

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how about NO. stop asking for limited content. blue was a mistake and the onlly thing they need to do on it is deleting it and rework it for a normal job

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

You get a random assortment of spells in the beginning
Bosses and enemies are also randomized within a range and you can learn spells from them
Sounds good or not?

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I think content like that has the potential to be really cool. Sounds good to me, I'd be down to try it out.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

It doesn't hurt anything, necromancer titles aren't that important in the grand scheme of things

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If you don't have a Necromancer title yourself, I don't want to hear it.

-A man who has been attempting the title for the past 3 weeks.

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Originally Posted by iVolke

If you don't have a Necromancer title yourself, I don't want to hear it.

-A man who has been attempting the title for the past 3 weeks.

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You act as if some digital title has any actual value other than perceived worth. Worth that is only beholden to the person who earns it. No one else cares.

Especially when it comes to content that is 4+ years old.

BLU is perfect for that content. Simply don't allow Basic instinct to be used.

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

how about NO. stop asking for limited content. blue was a mistake and the onlly thing they need to do on it is deleting it and rework it for a normal job

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yes, rework the only job with BLM that have identity and everything will become like DoH/DoL.

What BLU needs is his own content, the job is stuck on lvl 70 content, but this takes effort from square, BLU dont need to become another generic caster DPS/Tank/Healer, you have 19 jobs that already do that.
people that dont play with BLU aways say that this is a ''dead job'' and ask for rework.

please never ask for a job rework in this game, it's a tip.

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Originally Posted by Deceptus

Or. . . I know this might be crazy. . . but how about just let BLU into PoTD / HOH?

Let people enjoy things.

It doesn't hurt anything, necromancer titles aren't that important in the grand scheme of things

This also applies to Eureka / Bozja. It's old outdated content. Let people have fun with it.

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Or you know you could have a separate title or achievement for BLU instead of letting it count towards the achievement other jobs get? :p

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Originally Posted by AluneTempest

yes, rework the only job with BLM that have identity and everything will become like DoH/DoL.

What BLU needs is his own content, the job is stuck on lvl 70 content, but this takes effort from square, BLU dont need to become another generic caster DPS/Tank/Healer, you have 19 jobs that already do that.
people that dont play with BLU aways say that this is a ''dead job'' and ask for rework.

please never ask for a job rework in this game, it's a tip.

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it need to be part of ff14 not a separated game in ff14. of its ok for you to get content for it ones and expansion for 1 day and forget about it?

Sure, let's add a faceroller achievement to DD :rolleyes: :p

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Sure, let's add a faceroller achievement to DD :rolleyes: :p

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Why not? It adds more content to BLU and you can just make BLU not count for Necromancer :p

I hope we get a BLU update soon.

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

how about NO. stop asking for limited content. blue was a mistake and the onlly thing they need to do on it is deleting it and rework it for a normal job

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No. Bluemage was not a mistake, deleting it and reworking it is just a waste of time, money and resources.
And people like to think it should be a Normal job, so they can play it on everything like a normal job, but then get mad at SE & The Devs for never doing anything new or taking risks. Bluemage is not a failure, rather, its still flawed and hasn't met its full potential.

Frankly, this lil idea would be fun. A randomizer Challenge run with Masked Carnival Difficulty. I know this ain't Darksouls, but it could be a fun side challenge for people, AND its more content for Bluemage.
If some real thought was put into it, could net some neat rewards to.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Why not? It adds more content to BLU and you can just make BLU not count for Necromancer :p

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Does it really add anything? It's not any kind of challenge to run through all that, especially as a full group. I can't think of any achievements that would be running any kind of exclusion. If they're going to exclude, they'll do it at the duty finder level. Just be honest and say you want to faceroll farm potsherds and all that good stuff because DD for normal jobs is too difficult.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

No. Bluemage was not a mistake, deleting it and reworking it is just a waste of time, money and resources.
And people like to think it should be a Normal job, so they can play it on everything like a normal job, but then get mad at SE & The Devs for never doing anything new or taking risks. Bluemage is not a failure, rather, its still flawed and hasn't met its full potential.

Frankly, this lil idea would be fun. A randomizer Challenge run with Masked Carnival Difficulty. I know this ain't Darksouls, but it could be a fun side challenge for people, AND its more content for Bluemage.
If some real thought was put into it, could net some neat rewards to.

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yes it not need to be copy paste but its thing BUT PART OF THE ACTUAL GAME AS WELL. mind blowing i know but a job being a mini game that gets an update ones an expansion for 1 day of content is not much fun

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Originally Posted by magitekLuna

yes it not need to be copy paste but its thing BUT PART OF THE ACTUAL GAME AS WELL. mind blowing i know but a job being a mini game that gets an update ones an expansion for 1 day of content is not much fun

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...whats mindblowing about what you said?...lol calm down.

But thats unfortunate to hear. I think Bluemage is a LOAD of fun as is.
It sure as heck wouldn't be the overpowered powerhouse it is and be used for Farming Content if it was the same Old Boring "Normal Caster Job" some people think it should be.
The job can be used for more then just 1 lil minigame. It can be used in duties. Sure with limitations. But just like Weekly raiding it gets lifted over time, and more gets added to Bluemage.

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

...whats mindblowing about what you said?...lol calm down.

But thats unfortunate to hear. I think Bluemage is a LOAD of fun as is.
It sure as heck wouldn't be the overpowered powerhouse it is and be used for Farming Content if it was the same Old Boring "Normal Caster Job" some people think it should be.
The job can be used for more then just 1 lil minigame. It can be used in duties. Sure with limitations. But just like Weekly raiding it gets lifted over time, and more gets added to Bluemage.

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Or we could, you know, expect Square to do their job and put actual effort into making it something neat instead of what people expect it would be. I mean hell, weren't BLUs in 11 a mix of roles? I remember reading about BLU tanks for sure. Having a job that can fulfill a tank, healer, or dps role in current content would be so neat, and the core is already there, Square just has to actually put in the effort to utilize it. Doesn't even mean BLU has to lose it's minigame either.

But that's a pipe dream I know...

I haven't played BLU since the second day it came out.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

No, I'd much rather Blue Mage be updated to become a full job than to continue tacking on temporary fixes for what is essentially a dead-end class.

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Then it's soulless one tricky pony like the rest of them. No Thx.

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

You get a random assortment of spells in the beginning
Bosses and enemies are also randomized within a range and you can learn spells from them
Sounds good or not?

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BLU will never be a true job!

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Or we could, you know, expect Square to do their job and put actual effort into making it something neat instead of what people expect it would be. I mean hell, weren't BLUs in 11 a mix of roles? I remember reading about BLU tanks for sure. Having a job that can fulfill a tank, healer, or dps role in current content would be so neat, and the core is already there, Square just has to actually put in the effort to utilize it. Doesn't even mean BLU has to lose it's minigame either.

But that's a pipe dream I know...

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Would be nice if they could unlock it for normal roulette usage, but ONLY if you have the skills they want you to have to fulfill your role. If you're missing just one, you cannot queue. Meaning if you want to queue BLU as tank, you must have all the tanking actions for it. If you want to heal as it, you must have all the healing spells (including the Lakshmi one and Angel Whisper). DPSing it would likely be the easier role to unlock. But regardless of which role you choose, you will ONLY have access to those BLU spells they want you to have, nothing more, nothing less.

This allows them to fine tune it to avoid it being too powerful for the content it enters. Meaning it won't have any super powerful attacks (sorry 1000 Needles) for any of the dungeons early on, and the level 71-80 it will have access to them, but in sparce amounts. Basically it makes it a "normal" job for all intents and purposes for roulettes, but only if you're queuing up for DR. Otherwise it's the normal BLU. However this is far too ambitious for them, and requires fighting spaghetti code.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

I mean hell, weren't BLUs in 11 a mix of roles?
I remember reading about BLU tanks for sure. Having a job that can fulfill a tank, healer, or dps role in current content would be so neat, and the core is already there

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I wouldnt know, never played XI
And if Balancing Scholar and Summoner was apparently a Nightmare...I have no Faith in Bluemage being made into a Multiclass job. Much less a properly Balanced one.
But, it can already do that, just in a limited Capacity, one that I feel confident they will continue to improve on. Just...for the way the job is made and designed, it will never be a Full-Fledged "Normal" job.
And until they severely Nerf it, it will be kept behind 1 expansion because Im sure they dont wanna trivialize newer current content.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Or we could, you know, expect Square to do their job and put actual effort into making it something neat instead of what people expect it would be.

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They did...and it got mixed Reception.
Some people love it
Other people call it a failure

"We need new content that's not just grinding the same current raids every week!"

> Released BLU

"No it needs to be able to grind the same current raids every week!"

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

I wouldnt know, never played XI
And if Balancing Scholar and Summoner was apparently a Nightmare...I have no Faith in Bluemage being made into a Multiclass job. Much less a properly Balanced one.
But, it can already do that, just in a limited Capacity, one that I feel confident they will continue to improve on. Just...for the way the job is made and designed, it will never be a Full-Fledged "Normal" job.
And until they severely Nerf it, it will be kept behind 1 expansion because Im sure they dont wanna trivialize newer current content.




They did...and it got mixed Reception.
Some people love it
Other people call it a failure

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I feel like the people calling it a failure are the ones that want everything handed to them. Only around 5000 people (myself included) have morbol mounts for something that's supposedly broken and lacking in content.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

"We need new content that's not just grinding the same current raids every week!"

> Released BLU

"No it needs to be able to grind the same current raids every week!"

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

I feel like the people calling it a failure are the ones that want everything handed to them. Only around 5000 people (myself included) have morbol mounts for something that's supposedly broken and lacking in content.

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I wish I didnt fall behind. Now it'll take me forever to get that mount

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Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya

You get a random assortment of spells in the beginning
Bosses and enemies are also randomized within a range and you can learn spells from them
Sounds good or not?

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I mean, Blu is done.
It's finished everything in the original document.

IF they were going to do more limited classes, (they won't, people hate on them constantly for being limited, look at the other replies in this topic), they'd start a different one and finish that first.
Once there was a roulette worth, Blu, Onion knight, Chemist, Beast Master, Puppetier, and so forth, all at the same level... I could see giving them a deep dungeon to work together, like the carnival, a capstone on the concept.

Best part of limited classes, once they get tired of working on them, all they have to do is NOT scale them down when the rest of the world gets level squished. If they ever reach 100, the entire rest of the world goes from 200 to 100, they can remain exactly the same.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

"We need new content that's not just grinding the same current raids every week!"

> Released BLU

"No it needs to be able to grind the same current raids every week!"

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As far as I am aware, there is no point to BLU except for cheesing moogle events. So it makes sense people would want to play it in general content, also I think people liked it in the last game, or something along those lines.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

"We need new content that's not just grinding the same current raids every week!"

> Released BLU

"No it needs to be able to grind the same current raids every week!"

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Since you're keeping track of who's saying what, print those people you're quoting, please. I'd like to see if they're real or just a strawman you just imagined.

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Originally Posted by Jin-

Then it's soulless one tricky pony like the rest of them. No Thx.

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its that now
all you do is spam primal spells most the time

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Originally Posted by Duskane

its that now
all you do is spam primal spells most the time

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Shhh, you can't say that! It's *different* from the normal 2 minute burst system that normal jobs have, therefore it's automatically not soulless or something.

Even though everyone runs the exact same meta build for whatever you're using it for...

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Originally Posted by Duskane

its that now
all you do is spam primal spells most the time

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You mean the stuff that has long cooldowns? Can't spam something that has a 60s cooldown.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

You mean the stuff that has long cooldowns? Can't spam something that has a 60s cooldown.

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BLU moon flute burst is the original 2 minute burst. :p

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Does it really add anything? It's not any kind of challenge to run through all that, especially as a full group. I can't think of any achievements that would be running any kind of exclusion. If they're going to exclude, they'll do it at the duty finder level. Just be honest and say you want to faceroll farm potsherds and all that good stuff because DD for normal jobs is too difficult.

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Actually the potions got buffed so its very easy to sustain them because they last 30s instead of 15s now :p Also there is already a faceroller called Machinist in PotD!

It's a cool idea but seeing how the masked carnivale got abandoned by SE I have doubts that they would create a whole new system for BLU. I do wish they just added them to all level 70 and below non-DF content.

The last thing I want to see is BLU getting access to Bozja/Eureka. Not everything needs to be turned into baby mode. Just turn BLU into a normal job. SE never had problems bending classic jobs so they fit (for better or worse) into the game.

Just let BLU do Dead Dungeons and Eureka/Bozja/Zadnor. Fuck off with the gatekeeping lol

Everything barring Savage raids is baby mode.

BLU ironically IS the only normal job. The other 19 are "limited" in every single way.

Hell BLU is the only interesting Tank and Healer by a long shot and that's pretty sad.

I tell you what when I party up for a dungeon and everyone gets synced down and loses half their kit Imma laugh real hard while Ultravibration go brr