Every Non-Savage healer weapon.. has no crit..

The highest ilvl ones with crit are the Manderville and Savage weapons.

Why do both the Tomestone and the new Extreme Trial have to have DET/PIE?

Can we not just get Alternatives!?

SE has put BiS stats on extreme weapons since at least Heavensward. Except healers apparently. Maybe they think healers value Piety. :rolleyes:

What's piety?


:P

How pietyful...

while I personally prefer PIE, I would -really- enjoy not having DET shoved down my throat on every healer gear almost.

even when we do get CRIT.. it comes with.. DET

I suppose PIE does give some consistency with getting you somewhat more MP... But the least MP efficient healer feels to be SGE, and even with it MP is not really that big of an issue... Spell Speed or Crit would definitely be more useful.

DET is one of those stats where you really can't go too wrong with getting more of it, as it just makes you do more damage and healing.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

What's piety?


:P

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I suppose PIE does give some consistency with getting you somewhat more MP... But the least MP efficient healer feels to be SGE, and even with it MP is not really that big of an issue... Spell Speed or Crit would definitely be more useful.

DET is one of those stats where you really can't go too wrong with getting more of it, as it just makes you do more damage and healing.

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I used to think that too. But then I saw a layout of how the numbers change based on how much of each stat you were running (wish I could track that down again) and unless they changed how it works, DET was one of the mostly useless stats there was. unless you are min/maxing the changes even with a fair amount of DET were... minimal at best. PIE at least gives you a bit faster regen per tick, DET required a massive amount just to add .0x of a percentage point of damage.

so, for each 14 points of DET, you get a higher .001 added to your damage multiplyer, and I guess maybe the same amount for healing. doesnt seem all that useful really

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Originally Posted by Kes13a

I used to think that too. But then I saw a layout of how the numbers change based on how much of each stat you were running (wish I could track that down again) and unless they changed how it works, DET was one of the mostly useless stats there was. unless you are min/maxing the changes even with a fair amount of DET were... minimal at best. PIE at least gives you a bit faster regen per tick, DET required a massive amount just to add .0x of a percentage point of damage.

so, for each 14 points of DET, you get a higher .001 added to your damage multiplyer, and I guess maybe the same amount for healing. doesnt seem all that useful really

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that's still more useful than piety. once you don't zero out in a fight, more piety adds absolutely nothing

I suppose it depends on viewpoint, I find more regen better than .001 additions on to my healing or damage. especially if you are running with groups that require a lot of healing or rezzes.

Piety is such a useless stat these days...at least to me it seems that way. Between all the abilities to regain MP, freecast, or no MP healing we can do...I feel like the only things taking MP are Glare/Holy spamming. Lucid Dreaming has that covered.

Piety is a dump stat and anyone who says otherwise will be pelted with rats.

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while I personally prefer PIE, I would -really- enjoy not having DET shoved down my throat on every healer gear almost.

even when we do get CRIT.. it comes with.. DET

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Piety is a dump stat and anyone who says otherwise will be pelted with rats.



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Thats fine, reminds me of lalas...

though I thought lala tossing had been banned in Eorzea

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

I suppose PIE does give some consistency with getting you somewhat more MP... But the least MP efficient healer feels to be SGE, and even with it MP is not really that big of an issue... Spell Speed or Crit would definitely be more useful.

DET is one of those stats where you really can't go too wrong with getting more of it, as it just makes you do more damage and healing.

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SGE will cry in MP if their party is stellar perfect in mech execution because there's probably nothing to spend their addergalls on outside throwing a Druochole at their tank even there's no need to, just to get that 700 MP.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

SE has put BiS stats on extreme weapons since at least Heavensward. Except healers apparently. Maybe they think healers value Piety. :rolleyes:

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YOU WILL GET PIETY ON YOUR GEAR AND YOU WILL LIKE IT!

The beatings will continue until morale improves!

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The beatings will continue until morale improves!

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Is the recast 3.14?

If there is one stat AST doesn't need, its Piety.

The absolute state of sub-stats in 14... I hate it so much. I remember back in Wrath of the Lich King, I wanted ALL of the spirit on resto druid (spirit = piety pretty much) so I can spam my HoTs all day erry day. 14 it's all about crit and DH... it's so boring, even if those giant SGE/SCH crit shields give me the good brain juices. I just wish the vast majority of cases weren't "you want crit and DH".

Max spellspeed BLM is a fun meme though, I will say that much. Single handedly saved the job for me, went from one of my most hated to jobs to "HAHA FIRE 4 GO BRRRRRRRRRR" fun (2.09 fire 4s feels REALLY nice).

I imagine they do it to get you into savage. They do the same with NIN where half my tome scouting gear has sks, which while not completely useless, is our lowest priority stat. Same with RDM having to do savage to get gear that doesn't have sps.

probably because they know every healer wouldn't willingly add piety materia to their weapons even if they didn't put it on the bis. gotta justify the stat somehow and prevent people from min-maxing even more than they already do.

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I imagine they do it to get you into savage. They do the same with NIN where half my tome scouting gear has sks, which while not completely useless, is our lowest priority stat. Same with RDM having to do savage to get gear that doesn't have sps.

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Half tome gear in understandable, because your BiS is supposed to be a mix of both.

But when your 4 weapon choices are
615ilvl good stats
625ilvl bad stats
630ilvl bad stats
635ilvl good stats

That middleground, of having absolute garbage stats, feels terrible.

Atleast 6.35 will give us higher ilvl relics (625 or 630) with better stats

they screwed up the black mage weapon for the 625 EX as well. It's Det/DH, meaning it has neither of the substats (crit, SpS) that BLM requires one of on the single biggest stat piece they can have.