is extreme and savage content canon?

not just door boos from 4th floor of savage tier, but also their mechanics too

EX and Savage are "retellings" of your battles that have been embellished to make them more exciting.

There are a few Extremes that happened because the primal got summoned again with even more juice: The ARR primals, Ravana, and Bismarck. Everything else is some form of embellished retelling from some external source or another. Mostly it's the Wandering Minstrel, but the SB, ShB and EW Savage raids have different sources.

Extreme mostly yes, but savage no: it's fan service's content.
And about the mechanics, I don't know.

Some fights, like The Warring Triad extremes, happen cannonically, as holodeck / Danger Room simulations.

Anything named "The Minstrel's Ballad" is how the Minstrel plans to tell the story of your story-mode fight to get audiences' hearts racing.

Other extremes are hypothetical scenarios where your opponent is more powerful than they actually were.

As I recall, the Savage fights for Omega in Stormblood were also danger room scenarios given to you by Omega itself as a gesture of good faith so you could continue improving yourself or something like that. Iirc, you don't get his direct message until the final tier, but it was there, nonetheless.

Eden's savage fights were set in memory crystals that look like crystals of light. They're somewhat similar to Omega's in that they're mentally installed more or less, rather than played out physically (this is also how they differ from HW Warring Triad Extremes where you physically enter the danger room).

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Originally Posted by Vyrerus

Eden's savage fights were set in memory crystals that look like crystals of light. They're somewhat similar to Omega's in that they're mentally installed more or less, rather than played out physically (this is also how they differ from HW Warring Triad Extremes where you physically enter the danger room).

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Eden's is interesting, because it's specifically Eden's memories and feelings about the fight; things hurt more because we were hurting it. It's also why E12S does what it does.

The crystals had been Mitron's thoughts and memories the whole time, and in E12S he spirals into wishful thinking rather than anything accurate or coherent. That's why that new form is... not even non-canon, it's anti-canon, it's the exact polar opposite of what happened. That phase is basically Mitron going 'if only my girlfriend would come to her senses and be who I demand her to be instead of being who she wants to be'.

But yeah, only a few of the Extremes actually happened happened, and a few more of them only 'happened' in the sense that technically the WoL could be said to have experienced those fights in an unreal environment that did not physically exist or occur.

...and some of them are the Wandering Minstrel's AU fanfiction.

I like to quote Ethys on this:
"When you beat it, it happened"
I think he said something like that.
Which is a nice point of view though I'd say Extremes and Savages aswell as Ultimates are just one crazy NPC talking bs and you have to play it.. yay

If it opens with "The Minstrels Ballad:..." then it's an imaginary battle conjured through the art of song.

The few that are 'real' don't have this prefix.

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Originally Posted by Seraphor

If it opens with "The Minstrels Ballad:..." then it's an imaginary battle conjured through the art of song.

The few that are 'real' don't have this prefix.

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Counterpoint: Emanation (Extreme) is a Minstrel's ballad. (Every Extreme after HW is, actually.)

This rule actually only follows in regards to ARR trials, and doesn't function anywhere else. Including ARR raids.

The weird thing I have about the extremes though is that to me, the extreme mode feels more truthful in terms of what the boss in question is capable of.