Legacy Type Movement: More freedom to view your character while moving

I love Legacy Movement, it might be my favourite way to move around in a tab targetting MMO, just because of how much control it gives you over your character.

However there's one thing I would be glad about if they changed it:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but there's no way to view your character from different camera angles using the mouse while running, because the camera keeps following your character's back. This is something you can do using the left mouse button during standard type movement, but you can't do it with legacy type.
Is this not something that can be changed?

While auto-running, you can move the camera with left mouse button without changing your character facing. Right mouse button will still change your character's facing during auto-run.

Even without auto-running, you should still be able to turn the camera around by holding left-click in legacy type. Unless you are using the Strafe left/right buttons while moving, in which case the character will always face the same direction as the camera; you should use the Turn left/right buttons in order to turn your character around freely.

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Originally Posted by Estecka

Even without auto-running, you should still be able to turn the camera around by holding left-click in legacy type. Unless you are using the Strafe left/right buttons while moving, in which case the character will always face the same direction as the camera; you should use the Turn left/right buttons in order to turn your character around freely.

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As long as you are holding the Move Forward, Move Back, Move Left, or Move Right keys, either left and right mouse buttons will both change your facing. The left mouse button only leaves your character facing alone when you are stationary or auto-running.

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Originally Posted by Rongway

While auto-running, you can move the camera with left mouse button without changing your character facing. Right mouse button will still change your character's facing during auto-run.

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Exactly, why does left mouse work like it should while auto running, but not during normal running?
It seems like such an easy / obvious thing to fix

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Originally Posted by Thighland

Exactly, why does left mouse work like it should while auto running, but not during normal running?
It seems like such an easy / obvious thing to fix

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It's the way the movement buttons work, not the mouse. The mouse does what it should do: move the camera. That much is working correctly. The thing about movement, however, is that legacy mode is by definition camera-based movement. So when you press the movement keys, your character will always move the direction you press, oriented with the camera. That much is also working correctly. When you stop pressing the movement keys, you can move the camera without changing your facing again.

I get that, but why then not have two separate cameras that work together?
One camera for movement controlled with the right mouse button, and one camera for viewing purposes controlled by the left mouse button?
When you press the left mouse button, the viewing camera would take over, without taking away the control over your character.
Is that not possible?

What you are asking for is Standard camera setting. The whole point of Legacy is that "forward" is wherever your camera is pointing. Changing this destroys the purpose. If you want "forward" to be wherever your character model is facing - use Standard.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

The whole point of Legacy is that "forward" is wherever your camera is pointing. Changing this destroys the purpose.

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I believe the purpose behind Legacy setting first and foremost is to give the player an optional and more convenient way to move their character. The fact that this movement is based on the camera is besides the point

If they can't do it because of technical reasons, fine.
But it would feel better to me if it was possible, and I don't see how there would be a sacrifice to anyone gameplay wise.

And no, Standard Mode is not what I'm asking for. I've already tried that one out plenty.

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Originally Posted by Thighland

Exactly, why does left mouse work like it should while auto running, but not during normal running?

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Something must be flying over my head; because as far as I know, it doesn't matter whether you're stationary, auto-running or normal-running. Pressing LMB has never changed the direction my character was facing.

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Originally Posted by Estecka

Something must be flying over my head; because as far as I know, it doesn't matter whether you're stationary, auto-running or normal-running. Pressing LMB has never changed the direction my character was facing.

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Huh, that's weird.
Maybe I have some setting activated I don't know about that makes my character move along my LMB movements

Just in case, you wouldn't happen to be pressing LMB and RMB at the same time? That's a whole different thing.

Nah, of course not.
I'm just holding the LMB while running around

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Originally Posted by Estecka

Just in case, you wouldn't happen to be pressing LMB and RMB at the same time? That's a whole different thing.

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Let's assume you're pressing the "w" button, and only the "w" button to move.
Does your LMB not turn your character in the direction the camera is facing towards?

i don't get it.
They fixed the camera pivot with the new patch.
I disabled it in the options, but my camera pivot still persists.

Someone please help me

Simply by pressing W alone, my character will already be facing the same direction as the camera; whether I'm pressing LMB or not has nothing to do with it.
Conversely, if I press A, D or S, my character will turn to face the corresponding direction (relative to the camera), then pressing LMB while moving will not change that direction (relative to the camera).

If this not what you're expecting to see then I didn't understand what you're trying to achieve.

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Originally Posted by Estecka

Simply by pressing W alone, my character will already be facing the same direction as the camera; whether I'm pressing LMB or not has nothing to do with it.
Conversely, if I press A, D or S, my character will turn to face the corresponding direction (relative to the camera), then pressing LMB while moving will not change that direction (relative to the camera).

If this not what you're expecting to see then I didn't understand what you're trying to achieve.

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Here's a video about exactly the thing I was talking about:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4OG0EeRBfM
Being able to move your camera in Legacy mode without the camera movement influencing your character's movement.

It should work when I disable camera pivot under movement options, but for me it doesn't

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Originally Posted by Thighland

I believe the purpose behind Legacy setting first and foremost is to give the player an optional and more convenient way to move their character. The fact that this movement is based on the camera is besides the point

If they can't do it because of technical reasons, fine.
But it would feel better to me if it was possible, and I don't see how there would be a sacrifice to anyone gameplay wise.

And no, Standard Mode is not what I'm asking for. I've already tried that one out plenty.

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You are missing the point. Legacy and Standard are movement settings. The game has to decide what is the reference for your "forward-back-left-right" inputs. There has to be one. And it can either be your camera (which is what most 3rd person games will do) or your character model. There is no in between.

You are asking the movement setting to switch from Legacy to Standard when you are holding left click. If you want your character to keep running towards their "forward" regardless of where your camera is facing, you are not using Legacy setting.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

You are missing the point. Legacy and Standard are movement settings. The game has to decide what is the reference for your "forward-back-left-right" inputs. There has to be one. And it can either be your camera (which is what most 3rd person games will do) or your character model. There is no in between.

You are asking the movement setting to switch from Legacy to Standard when you are holding left click. If you want your character to keep running towards their "forward" regardless of where your camera is facing, you are not using Legacy setting.

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The devs literally did exactly what I said and wanted in 6.3!
But when I tried to deactivate the camera pivot, it didn't work for me, but when I see others deactivate it, it works for them.
Just like in the video I posted above

Here's what it says in the patch notes:
"Automatic camera pivot can now be disabled when Legacy Type movement is enabled, allowing for seamless play with the camera at any angle."
"Apply this setting by going to Control Settings in the Character Configuration window and selecting "Disable camera pivot." under Movement Settings in the General tab."

Camera Pivot doesn't do what you think it does.
I have no idea what this video is going on about, but it fails to highlight the difference in my opinion.

By default, using A or D in legacy mode will cause the camera to stay in the same location, but rotate to follow the character (causing he character to run around in circle). With camera pivot disabled, the camera will keep the same rotation, and instead move to follow the character (causing the character to run in a straight line, as if you were holding LMB).

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Originally Posted by Estecka

Camera Pivot doesn't do what you think it does.
I have no idea what this video is going on about, but it fails to highlight the difference in my opinion.

By default, using A or D in legacy mode will cause the camera to stay in the same location, but rotate to follow the character (causing he character to run around in circle). With camera pivot disabled, the camera will keep the same rotation, and instead move to follow the character (causing the character to run in a straight line, as if you were holding LMB).

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He literally does what I said at 00:16
He turns the camera while continuing to walk in a straight line.
Without autorun!

BTW, I replaced A and D with strafe left and strafe right, but that has nothing to do with what he is capable of doing in the video.
But I know what you mean.

Edit: Ah man, I give up

He's not saying he isn't auto running, he's saying he could do it without auto running. I believe the highlight of that clip was supposed to be the character running in a perfectly straight line, not the camera turning around it; I don't think it's possible to achieve this camera rotation without autorun.

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Originally Posted by Thighland

He literally does what I said at 00:16
He turns the camera while continuing to walk in a straight line.
Without autorun!

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You've linked a video from January 7th. 6.3 wasn't even out at that time. It's actually impossible for him to be doing what you are claming. You can also very obviously see Xeno looking downwards at his keyboard to find the auto run button before the moment you've timestamped.

Camera Pivot does indeed refer to what Estecka explained to you. I'll repeat one more time. What you want is only achievable in standard movement setting, where "forward" always remains in the direction your character model is facing. It's fundamentally incompatible with legacy's "forward is where your camera is facing".

In re: camera pivot
Prior to Patch 6.3, if you pressed Move Left / Move Right, your character would move to the left or right but the camera would turn against that direction slightly, producing a large arc movement. Patch 6.3's option to disable the legacy camera pivot makes it so that when you move left and right the camera does not swing around you, so you move in a straight line.
https://i.imgur.com/2xUxXWN.png