Suggestion: Capped Tomestone Conversion Rewards

A simple mechanical suggestion for content that rewards Tomestones. As you know, each patch you have a capped and an uncapped Tomestone currency. I am suggesting that when you are maxed out on the capped Tomestone, that amount provided to you converts into the uncapped Tomestone. For example, you are at 450/450 Causality this week but do a roulette that provides 40 Causality, that overflow would instead provide 40 Astronomy. This would further encourage players to do Tomestone rewarding content even after capping.

I really like the idea because, in my case, I tend to cap and not spend my tomestones for a reason or another (mostly for laziness or disinterest for the rewards).

On the other hand, there is people who plays a lot less then me and who goes after that gear I ignore.

In general, I agree that the Tomestones system could be better.

Piggybacking off of this:

Would be nice if Nuts coverted into Centurio or Allied seals as well.

But yes would be nice to have capped tomes go into uncapped, especially for uncapped farming towards end of the patch if you're a crafter.

I'm not convinced that it would be much incentive, given that anything that rewards Causality tomes also already rewards Astronomy. If people aren't already running content to get those tomes currently available, why would the extra amount make them do it?

It be nice if it did that yeah.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I'm not convinced that it would be much incentive, given that anything that rewards Causality tomes also already rewards Astronomy. If people aren't already running content to get those tomes currently available, why would the extra amount make them do it?

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Lots of MB reasons Crafting Desynths.., lots of options.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

Lots of MB reasons Crafting Desynths.., lots of options.

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I didn't ask what people are spending astronomy on. My question is, if they already want astronomy, they will already be doing content that gives them astronomy. So what "further encouragement" would be provided by getting more of it from the same number of duties?

As I see it, there are currently two scenarios:

1. People care about earning astronomy and are already running content to earn it, even if they are capped on causality tomes. Because they are already doing it, they do not need additional encouragement.

2. People do not care about earning astronomy, only causality, and offering more of the unwanted currency will not motivate them.

Converting currency rewards on the fly doesn't sound all that simple. It's not something that's done anywhere in the game. You get something or you don't.

If you're tired of seeing the "you can't receive" message, just filter it out.

They've technically have done Currency Conversions since long ago..,
usually at the end of an Expansion. to Poetics.

they already have the mathematics to convert to poetics they can easily do it for the midterm tomes easily.

as for the reasons Iscah put..,
yes what they spend them on is a reason why.

You've stated sources, not reasons why people want more or their own needs.
<putting it lightly it's kinda using something not exact to disprove something>

it's to give use to something for those that want it.

if one doesn't want them, they won't convert them. if one doesn't want Causality they'll convert.

There is no negative to the addition.
for something that has already existed in the direction it always has<heading downward. if it was heading upward, which is another topic. I'd agree it'd be very debatable->unlikely>
But like uncapped weeklies or Gearing asks. there is no reason to not have it.

the simplification of the topic, that is largely subjective to each players needs, is not very reasonable.

this is largely a QoL. that SE has done in the past, but not to the Mid Tier tomes.<but like said, usually from High end tomes->Poetics>

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Ps. Reminds me, I don't know they exact maths of how they determine to give a certain amount of poetics, for a certain type of tombstone. Though I am curious whether the difference between a mid tier and a high tier tome pays different poetics. if you're worried about balance. if a midtier tome pays out less poetics then that would solve that potential point. but again I'm not sure if there is much a difference in High end tome -> poetic conversion we see at the end of a tier/Expac

I agree it isn't much of a motivator since Astronomy is generally already given in content that gives Causality. I feel the suggestion is more about not wanting to "waste" the rewards that are capped, for people who are still doing the content maybe for fun?

I actually don't do any content that awards only capped tomestones while not also rewarding uncapped tomestones. But then again I am very casual and there are big parts of the game I don't even touch.

That's a nice idea. While we're here, how about just uncapping the capped tomes. Four months between major patches is a long time. Maybe I have every job at 90. Maybe I want to grind tomegear for alt jobs in that time. Maybe SE should let me. Just a thought.
And yes, I'm aware that the weekly setup probably keeps people subbed (who seriously stays subbed for their weeklies? lmao. but whatevs). But I'll take any chance I can to bring this up lol

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Originally Posted by Avoidy

That's a nice idea. While we're here, how about just uncapping the capped tomes. Four months between major patches is a long time. Maybe I have every job at 90. Maybe I want to grind tomegear for alt jobs in that time. Maybe SE should let me. Just a thought.

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The issue is that if you uncap the capped tomestones, you will have raiders grinding like whoa immediately on patch drop to get a full set of unaugmented tomestone gear (well, minus the weapon if you still keep the weekly normal raid token system to get the weapon item) before even setting foot into savage on day one. And given the new "we're experimenting with releasing savage a week after the story patch so people don't feel rushed" approach, that's even more time in which groups could get themselves into full unaugmented tomestone gear prior to starting the tier.

Worse still, if you do this, if one group does this (thus having better survivability and higher DPS), now all the world first groups potentially feel obligated to do this just to be able to compete on the same level. Moreover, if all of the world first teams are coming in ~10 ilevels above what the base ilevel setup is, that has balance implications; if this tier, for instance, is meant to be viable at i610 but everyone is going in around ~i620, that is going to make that first fight a lot easier. Do you instead tune the fight for i620 (unaugmented tomestone gear) for purposes of that world-first race? Etc.

Yeah, the weekly currency cap is an annoying limitation, especially if you're trying to gear up alt jobs. But I can also see valid game balance reasons why it is that way.

It's not going to motivate anyone who isn't already continuing to do the content after capping. Either the player has a need for more Astronomy and is already continuing to do the content regardless, or they don't so there's no reason to keep doing it.

At most, it benefits crafters focused on crafted end game gear by making it a little easier to get the tomestone materials and few of those crafters would be interested in discounting the prices they charge for that gear.

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Originally Posted by GTK0HLK

They've technically have done Currency Conversions since long ago..,
usually at the end of an Expansion. to Poetics.

they already have the mathematics to convert to poetics they can easily do it for the midterm tomes easily.

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Except that conversion requires visiting a specific vendor to have the recorded obsolete currency converted to Poetics.

It wouldn't work with current expansion tomestones where the game would have to convert on the fly.

I would honestly remove the cap altogether. let people farm if they want to and don't punish them for constently hoarding tome

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Originally Posted by Magikazam

I would honestly remove the cap altogether. let people farm if they want to and don't punish them for constently hoarding tome

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Wouldn’t it make crafted gear obsolete?

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Originally Posted by Aword3213

Wouldn’t it make crafted gear obsolete?

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Yep. Clearly these people don't care about crafters, only themselves.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Yep. Clearly these people don't care about crafters, only themselves.

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MB flipping is the best way to make money anyway these days ngl lol, coming from a crafter. You can make way more in a short amount of time that way.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

MB flipping is the best way to make money anyway these days ngl lol, coming from a crafter. You can make way more in a short amount of time that way.

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It's not just about the money, but having a purpose in the game. Personally, I don't care much about the money.

The only purpose crafted gear serves in this game is to feed bots and make Alli and Normal 8 man raids irrelevant. It's dirt cheap so cost isn't a factor, it makes botting lucrative and it's better than gear you earn from actually participating in casual battle content. It makes no sense to me that players will wail about how Savage and tome gear can never be easier to get for alt jobs because "we must force those 10% of players to stay subbed!" ...while casual players, the bulk of the playerbase, can literally gear in minutes by visiting the nearest marketboard, log out until next patch and have zero gear progression.

Crafted gear is useless for crafters except on week 1. It's a waste of time and effort to sell it. It gives us no purpose because we aren't doing anything a non-crafter can't access for peanuts from a bot.