Role based loot

Why does it feel like the whole every class on one character is ridiculously when it comes to trying to gear up other roles? I feel I have to make a character for each role just to be able to gear up other roles at the same time. I really think role-based loot should've been a thing or making the game more alt friendly.

I guess I'm just being greedy and no one else thinks this.

Although you have always been able to play every class on one character, it's always been that you are meant to pick a "main" class for a given raid tier and gear that up. That's how it's been for the whole of the last 10 years. You can still play other classes in dungeons and open world content, and you can even still raid on all classes using crafted gear, you are just slightly weaker that's all.

Other people do think this because it's been debated a bit recently, but it's always been this way and a bit strange that it's only being brought up now.

It could be useful to be able to gear up all of your roles at once, but it could make you indecisive about which role to play as well. Once you've picked one it helps you stick with it.

It's really just time gating to keep people subbed. Otherwise raiders would farm all of their sets right away, then complain there's nothing to do and unsub.

I feel it's more people wanting things to work as designed. so they can also focus on asking things to be changed, or added once all is as designed.

one can say a tier dies once a impactful amount of players have their gear. but as always, a good amount of players disprove that. just like you can say enough players keep running the content for fun. despite many not wanting to be forced to do so.
<it's both, but enjoyment sure does come easier once it's no longer mandatory for what you want out of it..,>

for some it's greeed.., for others is being equipped to enjoy the content that comes out seamlessly.

doesn't help the way the content works. and some classes work leading to different levels of players filling out different roles.
So a certain Dev saying. just play Healer. gives more fuel to ask for gearing change.

which tbh, is just a sign of the way times change.

there is no negative here if they do it right.
But doing it right takes time. since they'd have to do alot of research else.
you guessed it, angy players

Crafted gear is more than acceptable for nearly all current content. Especially if you meld it. For 99% of the population, clearing savage takes some tomestone/upgrade tomestone gear. Crafted is fine for the rest. And in the next few weeks, we can upgrade crafted gear to i620 for uncapped tomestones. Good stuff.

You can get easily geared though either through crafted gear or through normal raids and tomestones. Savage gear is obviously restricted to give people a weekly thing to do, reclears. But even that way you can easily gear an alt up if you put your mind to it.

The question in the end is tho, for what do you need it? If it's just for dungeons and other content you don't need savage gear for every single job and if you raid savage with a static you usually stick with your job for the entire tier. But even then you can get easily crafted gear and switch up things.

This was always the plan.

The game has always been designed so you wouldn’t need to grind long and hard to be current.

If it were otherwise it would lead to idiots no-lifeing for a week and everyone getting started a week later feeling woefully behind.

Secondly, there isn’t really any point to getting savage gear except for personal satisfaction. There is literally nothing gated behind it or any content hard enough to require that specific gear, nor are there any horizontal builds in this game that could use unique parts.

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Originally Posted by Jeeqbit

Other people do think this because it's been debated a bit recently, but it's always been this way and a bit strange that it's only being brought up now.

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This. I don't know why it's suddenly a problem. Ex WoW players who are used to raiding with 3 teams and multiple alts? Impatient players who want to 100% their character before they take a 4 month break (during which the gear will go unused)? Casuals who think they need 620 tome gear to do the absolute joke of an "expert" roulette?

One can gear their alts after their main just by playing the game. If one takes a lot of breaks they can't, but in that case they also don't need maxed out gear for every alt that will be obsolete when they return.

I think people here oversell savage gear and create these personal problems with raiding when pretty much almost every piece of content (Emphasis on ALMOST, since things like Ultimates and I assume Criterions are pretty much required to be BiS.....just in case anyone trying to be smart with rebuking my argument here) is clearable with the bare minimum of gear.

You dont need to get bis for multiple jobs just to do clears in savage raiding. Craftable and tomestone gear along with your skill of the fight is more than enough to do em.

However I will stay say that yes they could do with loosen up the amount of pieces you can obtain for savage raiding just to shut the hardcore crowd up but imo I dont think this is such a huge issue. Its very weird that we went with 10 years of this same system of savage raiding progression and just now people are having problems with it.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

I think people here oversell savage gear and create these personal problems with raiding when pretty much almost every piece of content (Emphasis on ALMOST, since things like Ultimates and I assume Criterions are pretty much required to be BiS.....just in case anyone trying to be smart with rebuking my argument here) is clearable with the bare minimum of gear.

You dont need to get bis for multiple jobs just to do clears in savage raiding. Craftable and tomestone gear along with your skill of the fight is more than enough to do em.

However I will stay say that yes they could do with loosen up the amount of pieces you can obtain for savage raiding just to shut the hardcore crowd up but imo I dont think this is such a huge issue. Its very weird that we went with 10 years of this same system of savage raiding progression and just now people are having problems with it.

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maybe because there arent that many people that do raid back then. but now since mid 2021, we're getting more new players. new players = more raiders = more raiders loud/mad about the problem

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Originally Posted by kaynide

The game has always been designed so you wouldn’t need to grind long and hard to be current.

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Definitely this.

A player can take a break right after completing MSQ in December 2021 and come back after 6.5 and be on the same level gear-wise as players that played every day from 6.0 to 6.5. Finish MSQ, take a break for ~18 months. Sign back in - buy some i640 (presumably) crafted gear and you already are ahead of the last raid tier. In theory, you probably could buy cheap i610 crafted gear instead and still qualify for doing expert in 6.5 too. Farm your capped tomestones and raid (if that's your thing). Yesterday's gear does not build into today's gear (relic weapon aside).