is it coincidence that the majority of winning design contest entrants are japanese?

i just thought that was an interesting coincidence i observed

A large portion of the playerbase is Japanese so of course there will be a lot of Japanese winners, there's no big conspiracy behind it.

yes, but that playerbase is eclipsed by both the north american and european playerbase. i don't think there is a conspiracy, i just think it's a funny coincidence. don't you?

A large portion of the dev team is Japanese, so of course there will be a lot of Japanese winners, there's a big conspiracy behind it.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

yes, but that playerbase is eclipsed by both the north american and european playerbase. i don't think there is a conspiracy, i just think it's a funny coincidence. don't you?

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Look at this: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/
Japan is the largest region.

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

i just thought that was an interesting coincidence i observed

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Ever noticed how the art submitted by the Japanese players is really well drawn and has lots of Japanese text explaining it?

https://i.gyazo.com/5c2cfd8e58010b2b...70769f8cb6.png

https://i.gyazo.com/e6d7c0202f463cd8...3bc9f3eaa9.png

The NA entries oft look like they were done in crayon by a kindergartener. (not all, of course, but so many)

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Originally Posted by dwodmots

Look at this: https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodestone/worldstatus/
Japan is the largest region.

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That assuming all servers are the same size. They aren't
https://activeplayer.io/final-fantas...ns%20at%205%25.
Japan only makes up 15%, 20% for Europe and 60% for America.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

That assuming all servers are the same size. They aren't
https://activeplayer.io/final-fantas...ns%20at%205%25.
Japan only makes up 15%, 20% for Europe and 60% for America.

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This website is so weird. Why is this table titled FFXIV players but the legend at the bottom talks about LoL? Why does it have so many ads? Why does it say it uses "various sources" but cites none of them? Genuinely. I feel like I wouldn't trust it personally, even assuming SQEX releases numbers internally and these are leaks.

https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...617&height=663

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Originally Posted by RobynDaBank

This website is so weird. Why is this table titled FFXIV players but the legend at the bottom talks about LoL? Why does it have so many ads? Why does it say it uses "various sources" but cites none of them? Genuinely. I feel like I wouldn't trust it personally, even assuming SQEX releases numbers internally and these are leaks.



https://media.discordapp.net/attachm...617&height=663

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I'm pretty sure it's also out of date. Since it still list PS3 support.

https://ffxivcensus.com/ is another example, JP doesn't have as large of a playerbase as the world status would have you believe

I don't know what that website is and I wouldn't trust it.

These sites are more trustworthy for your data.
https://ffxivcensus.com/
https://luckybancho.ldblog.jp/archives/57040847.html
https://livedoor.blogimg.jp/luckyban...9/691828e6.png

Maybe Japanese people are just culturally more organised and more likely to get around to submitting their entry by the due date?

I'm just sad this one didn't win.

https://i.ibb.co/VYGC0nz/2d09e666ca4...82f33aea-7.jpg

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

yes, but that playerbase is eclipsed by both the north american and european playerbase. i don't think there is a conspiracy, i just think it's a funny coincidence. don't you?

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Considering the contest is a visual one, the sizes of each region are irrelevant. NA could be 1000x larger than JP but it'd be irrelevant if they had 0 artists.

That being said, a browse of reddit when everyone was posting their designs they submitted 2 months back gives quite a bit of insight into why the majority of winners were JP - lots of the designs I saw NA/EU posters submitting were either not great visually, joke weapons (like the SGE weapon that was just a bunch of sharks with laser beams attached to their heads, or the one that was literally just a shoebill on a stick with its beak acting as the scythe blade) or had fantastical elements that would make them extremely hard to adapt to in-universe designs/lore. If the JP submissions were more consistent on in-universe design and more serious entries on average, it'd be no surprise they'd win the majority of spots.

There's no conspiracy or coincidence at play, just differences in culture that I would believe led to many more realistic to implement designs that stood a chance in the running on the JP side than the NA/EU one on average.

we really need more cute or fun reaper weapons cuz the only one that isnt stupid edgy is the padjal scythe which is all just a pure white untextured asset than anything tbh

I will go for the sage cutlery when they get added 6.5 years from now (seriously whyyyyy does this all take so long just dump these in the gold saucer for 100k mgp or smth) but it was the only one that looked good to me ntbr

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Originally Posted by XiRon

we really need more cute or fun reaper weapons cuz the only one that isnt stupid edgy is the padjal scythe which is all just a pure white untextured asset than anything tbh

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There’s a few if you know where to look. I use the Crimson Lotus scythe from Ala Mhigo/Kugane/Rhalger’s Reach dungeon for my reaper glam that has a far-eastern look and bright red coral?/driftwood? with beads. The fae dungeon from ShB drops a scythe with feather motif and a crystal, and the mine dungeon drops a nice-looking silver and blue one, neither of which are dripping in goth.

The bluespirit ShB crafted set scythe is pretty nice too with a glowing blue blade.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Considering the contest is a visual one, the sizes of each region are irrelevant. NA could be 1000x larger than JP but it'd be irrelevant if they had 0 artists.

That being said, a browse of reddit when everyone was posting their designs they submitted 2 months back gives quite a bit of insight into why the majority of winners were JP - lots of the designs I saw NA/EU posters submitting were either not great visually, joke weapons (like the SGE weapon that was just a bunch of sharks with laser beams attached to their heads, or the one that was literally just a shoebill on a stick with its beak acting as the scythe blade) or had fantastical elements that would make them extremely hard to adapt to in-universe designs/lore. If the JP submissions were more consistent on in-universe design and more serious entries on average, it'd be no surprise they'd win the majority of spots.

There's no conspiracy or coincidence at play, just differences in culture that I would believe led to many more realistic to implement designs that stood a chance in the running on the JP side than the NA/EU one on average.

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Okay I'm not big on joke weapons but sharks with lasers on their heads sounds amazing. I want that lol

Sigh. Another massively overengineered piece of crap RPR weapon. And it's again going to be so big it inflates like a balloon when you unsheath it. The job literally has one good weapon model with padjali.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

Maybe Japanese people are just culturally more organised and more likely to get around to submitting their entry by the due date?

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Possibly.
It is also likely that the tastes of the Japanese players coincide to a signficant extent with the tastes of the (probably mostly Japanese) people who decide the winners.

I haven't checked if it really is true that the majority the winners are Japanese, but assuming they are, it is probably not a coincidence. There is likely some bias involved, but probably not deliberately so.

Japanese MMO favors Japanese players, say it aint so.


Next you'll tell me there's a reason all the live letters are held at 4am in the morning for the west coast, and not even given a translator most of the time

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Japanese MMO favors Japanese players, say it aint so.


Next you'll tell me there's a reason all the live letters are held at 4am in the morning for the west coast, and not even given a translator most of the time

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To be fair, we get a "localized" version of the live letter 2-3 weeks after the LL was aired!

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

To be fair, we get a "localized" version of the live letter 2-3 weeks after the LL was aired!

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I'm pretty sure one of the recent live letters digests discussing a patch (was it 6.25?) came out after the patch itself...

mmm. y'all don't even bother saying "I'm not racist, but.." :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Considering the contest is a visual one, the sizes of each region are irrelevant. NA could be 1000x larger than JP but it'd be irrelevant if they had 0 artists.

That being said, a browse of reddit when everyone was posting their designs they submitted 2 months back gives quite a bit of insight into why the majority of winners were JP - lots of the designs I saw NA/EU posters submitting were either not great visually, joke weapons (like the SGE weapon that was just a bunch of sharks with laser beams attached to their heads, or the one that was literally just a shoebill on a stick with its beak acting as the scythe blade) or had fantastical elements that would make them extremely hard to adapt to in-universe designs/lore. If the JP submissions were more consistent on in-universe design and more serious entries on average, it'd be no surprise they'd win the majority of spots.

There's no conspiracy or coincidence at play, just differences in culture that I would believe led to many more realistic to implement designs that stood a chance in the running on the JP side than the NA/EU one on average.

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Did you look at the JP entries? Who's to say they were just out of place if not more then NA/EU. 1000x more entries just means 1000x more wonky entries.

The problem here is also ease of putting them in game. Not persé Japan having better designs, just that it might be too difficult for some to implement.

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

I'm just sad this one didn't win.

https://i.ibb.co/VYGC0nz/2d09e666ca4...82f33aea-7.jpg

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FACK
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Originally Posted by Shibi

Ever noticed how the art submitted by the Japanese players is really well drawn and has lots of Japanese text explaining it?

https://i.gyazo.com/5c2cfd8e58010b2b...70769f8cb6.png

https://i.gyazo.com/e6d7c0202f463cd8...3bc9f3eaa9.png

The NA entries oft look like they were done in crayon by a kindergartener. (not all, of course, but so many)

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Now that is a cool DRG spear

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

mmm. y'all don't even bother saying "I'm not racist, but.." :rolleyes:

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Don't worry, they're just "xenophobic" or whatever.

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Originally Posted by Bsrking5

Did you look at the JP entries? Who's to say they were just out of place if not more then NA/EU. 1000x more entries just means 1000x more wonky entries.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

If the JP submissions were more consistent on in-universe design and more serious entries on average, it'd be no surprise they'd win the majority of spots.

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Hence this line. Without looking at every single entry (which would be impossible anyway), you can only base it on anecdotes. Thus, when out of 25 reddit posts of people's submissions I saw, only 5 of them stood even remotely serious chance at winning due to the majority being either joke weapons or badly done visually or were just far too out of scope for the game due to fantastical elements, It's merely my anecdote that the JP submissions would be far and large more consistent to have a shot at winning to achieve such a wide sweep of winning spots.

But hey, if someone wants to insinuate JP bias here, I'll just point to the fact this is far from the first contest they've ever ran, and plenty of other contests have had NA/EU take predominant amount of winning spots before. If they did have JP bias as far as contests, it would be evident across all of them, not just in this one.

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Okay I'm not big on joke weapons but sharks with lasers on their heads sounds amazing. I want that lol

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Yeah, that one in particular got a large chuckle out of me. Would make a great Gold Saucer weapon if they ever do anymore joke weapons down the line.

https://i.imgur.com/btDZO5D.png

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

https://i.imgur.com/btDZO5D.png

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https://i.ibb.co/60h4bdv/dr-evil-mike-myers.gif

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Originally Posted by Misplaced_Marbles

Don't worry, they're just "xenophobic" or whatever.

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Ya'll should go read some FF14 5ch lol.

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

I'm just sad this one didn't win.

https://i.ibb.co/VYGC0nz/2d09e666ca4...82f33aea-7.jpg

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When I saw that one I immediately fell in love with it. I hope they make it eventually.

Wow I just looked at the sage and reaper winners and... the finalists for sage almost all look so much better than the winners, at least IMO.

I'm sad mine didn't win... q_q
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...ed_Artwork.png

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Originally Posted by Zebraoracle

Wow I just looked at the sage and reaper winners and... the finalists for sage almost all look so much better than the winners, at least IMO.

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That's how it goes with these kinds of contests. You only know so much about what the judges are looking for.

Some of those finalists look cooler, but also more complex to implement. Some details might get lost in translation.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

That's how it goes with these kinds of contests. You only know so much about what the judges are looking for.

Some of those finalists look cooler, but also more complex to implement. Some details might get lost in translation.

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Oh definitely.

Congratulations to the winners! I liked many of the runner up submissions too.

My favorite sage weapon is https://img.finalfantasyxiv.com/t/34...015.1640233302

Cool concept and a nice change from lasers and syringes.

My favorite reaper weapon is https://i.ibb.co/VYGC0nz/2d09e666ca4...82f33aea-7.jpg

The symbology is perfect for reapers. The crescent moon is curved like a scythe blade and the Moon goes from light to dark, dark to light.

I hope we see a whole gear set similar to this next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Daeriion_Aeradiir

Hence this line. Without looking at every single entry (which would be impossible anyway), you can only base it on anecdotes. Thus, when out of 25 reddit posts of people's submissions I saw, only 5 of them stood even remotely serious chance at winning due to the majority being either joke weapons or badly done visually or were just far too out of scope for the game due to fantastical elements, It's merely my anecdote that the JP submissions would be far and large more consistent to have a shot at winning to achieve such a wide sweep of winning spots.

But hey, if someone wants to insinuate JP bias here, I'll just point to the fact this is far from the first contest they've ever ran, and plenty of other contests have had NA/EU take predominant amount of winning spots before. If they did have JP bias as far as contests, it would be evident across all of them, not just in this one.



Yeah, that one in particular got a large chuckle out of me. Would make a great Gold Saucer weapon if they ever do anymore joke weapons down the line.

https://i.imgur.com/btDZO5D.png

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Honestly, this would make me want to go back to Open Fishing.

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Originally Posted by Bunnycake

Honestly, this would make me want to go back to Open Fishing.

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The fact this weapon is purely just for the Austin Powers reference

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Originally Posted by Meowdyj

I'm just sad this one didn't win.

https://i.ibb.co/VYGC0nz/2d09e666ca4...82f33aea-7.jpg

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I can see why. That's relic/raid level weapon design there, they can't let themselves be outclassed. :p

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

The fact this weapon is purely just for the Austin Powers reference

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That too LOL