To people who lie about their prog point in PF

I have something for you to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbz10IvihQw

PS: Due to how savage mechanics work, you lying about your prog point won't get you a clear any faster - you'll just kill other people and stall their progress. You need to learn how the mechanics work, practice it with groups that are within similar prog point until you're comfortable. Not expecting 100% flawless mech execution but please be considerate of other people's time.

I pay my sub. Not you.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

I pay my sub. Not you.

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It's a team activity. You don't pay the 7 other players subs.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's a team activity. You don't pay the 7 other players subs.

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If they asked, I would.

Unfortunately, a lot of people I have been in a party with before have the thought process that because they saw a mechanic (with lots of deaths), that they are up to that mechanic. There isn't a way to change their perspective but the game could track progress better by recording the boss health when the first party member dies or you get a damage down.

It's not about subs. It's about common sense. You can't skip the mechanics and it's the fun part about raiding in this game. Why not learn it and progress at your own pace?

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Originally Posted by Lieri

It's not about subs. It's about common sense. You can't skip the mechanics and it's the fun part about raiding in this game. Why not learn it and progress at your own pace?

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Why? I can leech off of other players.

Healers are a rarity in this game. I control everything. You don't have me, you don't have a run.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

Why? I can leech off of other players.

Healers are a rarity in this game. I control everything. You don't have me, you don't have a run.

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Not a rarity, no. Even the start of the sentence is already wrong.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

Why? I can leech off of other players.

Healers are a rarity in this game. I control everything. You don't have me, you don't have a run.

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More often than not, it's the healer failing mechanics that messes things up for the groups, so you control nothing, not even your bladder.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

More often than not, it's the healer failing mechanics that messes things up for the groups, so you control nothing, not even your bladder.

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I've never failed a mechanic.

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

I've never failed a mechanic.

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Can’t fail the mech if you never step into the fight

True 5head thinking

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Originally Posted by PirateRyanG

If they asked, I would.

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Will you pay my sub?

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

More often than not, it's the healer failing mechanics that messes things up for the groups, so you control nothing, not even your bladder.

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While we know this lalafell is a troll, and healers are no more valuable than anyone else in the group, I wouldn't go as far to say the healers mess up more often. That's simple not true. You would be surprised at the amount of mistakes that other people make which go unnoticed, bc the healer cleaned them up already before you even got a chance to blink your eye.

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

While we know this lalafell is a troll, and healers are no more valuable than anyone else in the group, I wouldn't go as far to say the healers mess up more often. That's simple not true. You would be surprised at the amount of mistakes that other people make which go unnoticed, bc the healer cleaned them up already before you even got a chance to blink your eye.

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I'll say it. I play SMN for a reason :D and then I switch to healer when that isn't enough.

(I wish I could show you what's been going on for the past hour or so :p)

don't care, I will continue to lie about my prog point
I have cleared the savage tier week 1 by lying about my prog point
I never managed to get anywhere by being honest in my previous 2 years of raiding

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It's a team activity. You don't pay the 7 other players subs.

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If I did, would it matter?

This is the lamest attempt at riling people up I've seen in a while. Seriously, this is firemage tier lazy, lmao.

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Originally Posted by SweetestLily

While we know this lalafell is a troll, and healers are no more valuable than anyone else in the group, I wouldn't go as far to say the healers mess up more often. That's simple not true. You would be surprised at the amount of mistakes that other people make which go unnoticed, bc the healer cleaned them up already before you even got a chance to blink your eye.

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Come now. Just because he’s a troll doesn’t make healers not more valued. This is basic supply and demand and isn’t something you can argue.

It should come as no surprise that people would lie about their progression to their own benefit. Sadly, it isn't like the server communities are small enough that a player would be blacklisted (and I don't mean the in-game chat option) across the server. A player that lies about their progression might be kicked by a group and then that player just scams another group. That's the Eorzea we live in. Doesn't make it right.

I feel the need to explain myself, as I have frequently engaged in progress skipping - successfully, mind you.

I am a genuinely fast learner and I use POV videos and guides to learn fights if I don't progress blind. I know, most do this, but I do this not only to understand the fight but also practice it.

Now, why do I do ? Because I am tired of people addressing themselves as "x prog" when the average person joining is clearly not practiced enough (reaching a point in a fight with four corpses twice is not your prog point) or is trying to do the skipping like me without having the remaining required skillsets to pull it off.

Ive joined statics this way. Sometimes I was honest and told them "you wont be able to tell the difference". Other times I told them after raid.

Im 100% part of the problem, but unlike people similar to me, others try to replicate, failing ofc.

Don't do what I do.

i lie about my prog point all the time, and it help me prog the fight

I have a few extreme cases on my BL.
Like, there was this one player who joined a clear group and watched the cutscene. He said it is a alt but I called it bs to myself but wanted to give it a try.

He wiped us for 30min at the first mechanics and we then disbanded.
The player went on my blacklist.

A few days later I joined another prog group.
It filled and we we didn't queue in. Then someone asked me why I don't answer my co-tank. Well it was the time waster and I didn't notice it.
So I told the group that he is on my BL for joining a clear party without knowing the fight and that I will leave and find another group because he was first in this one.

About a hour later I got a random DM from someone who was in that party and they told me that it was a trap group because of the tank and they did not even got close to the mechanic they wanted to prog.

So he got a little "permanent" behind his name on my .txt blacklist.
So yea, these extreme cases do not work.

But it can also be different.
I've also joined group's that want to practice one mechanic further then I have played, but I only join these groups when I've seen guide's and povs and I'm 99% sure about how the mechanic work's.

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Originally Posted by Lieri

I have something for you to watch
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbz10IvihQw

PS: Due to how savage mechanics work, you lying about your prog point won't get you a clear any faster - you'll just kill other people and stall their progress. You need to learn how the mechanics work, practice it with groups that are within similar prog point until you're comfortable. Not expecting 100% flawless mech execution but please be considerate of other people's time.

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Kick people from the party who lie about their progress and are holding the team back.

The best option is always list your prog point 2 mechanics ahead of the mechanic you're actually aiming to progress. Then people who have progressed solidly to your mechanic but only browsed a guide on the next 2 mechanics, or saw them once with only a tank alive and 12 deaths, will join the party and you'll be at a fairly even point. Most of the time. Hopefully. Maybe. Have fun.

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Originally Posted by Conadrium

Come now. Just because he’s a troll doesn’t make healers not more valued. This is basic supply and demand and isn’t something you can argue.

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Im NOT talking about the lack of people playing healer right now, completely different can of worms. Im strictly talking about a per fight basis. Everyone has their equal contribution to make.

If that pf shows a shiny green practice, its all the same prog to me.

Too All Savage and Ultimate people... why do you always follow the same strategy?!? and never alternate?

It also smell of something else... not being able to step in your own footsteps either.

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Originally Posted by Themarvin

Too All Savage and Ultimate people... why do you always follow the same strategy?!? and never alternate?

It also smell of something else... not being able to step in your own footsteps either.

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If people are all on the same page of what to do there is less toes getting stepped on when aoe circles are involved.