how rampant is cheating in CC

I just started CC and I have seen 1 player take out an entire team solo. players go from no rank to gold in 1 hour

I don't run into it much. But occasionally I've had my limit break interrupted which makes me suspicious. Most of the time I don't experience it though.

I didn't experience it when I did ranked much and actually have experienced it more in casual play, but I stopped doing ranked because the queues dry up later in the season and I just don't really need to care about ranked.

You will probably see more of it than you would normally in other games because the only people that care about CC at this point care enough to cheat in it. Particularly ranked.

There is no magical cheat that makes you win 1v5. Closest thing would be somekind of cheat that would use SAM LB for you perfectly but even that isn't enough to win every time because SAM LB's effectiveness is 100% on the enemies instead of the SAM :p

Sounds like a alt to me
I've been there lv5ing due to the fact that no one knows how to execute or time their CC for a kill
Play a range and when that happens snipe them with drill or silence and see how they die in an instant
or play WHM and face roll with imp if you imp someone and they don't die its your team that's bad unless its at like full hp then my friend might wanna practice
but all in all if you don't succeed in killing one person which is practically impossible with how CC is balanced then ignore them and stick to the point but I know that's hard since you can't control your team but that's my TED talk bye now

At least on Light I haven't seen any obvious cheating.

There are few cases where 1v5 can happen but those are incredibly rare because it would need the 5 to be mostly clueless new players that stand together clumped up and not pushing their buttons properly. Such as GNB getting their full duration LB+AoE on team of squishys and maybe a hit or two to remaining players if they have enough hp to survive. DRG getting their buffed up AoEs into free LB. NIN getting a free full chain LB to already soft team. SAM getting LB to whole team tickling him during the counter. etc. etc.

Unranked to Gold isn't too bad if you have some experience and don't meet other higher ranked players, if you get to freecast as BLM for example you can just dish out more than double the player damage compared to next player on low level games.

It's the reason I stopped playing ranked. Seeing your limit break immediately stunned multiple times per match (even at bronze/silver/gold) is pretty angering.

Seeing people blatantly speed hack and teleport.

The reason I don't pvp anymore is because of too many cheaters. Last time did pvp I saw 3 inside a rock attacking and 1 under the ground attacking. Couldn't even target them to get a name to report them.

I have taken out entire teams solo.
I'm not cheating, they were just bad.

The cheating is not as rampant as the being bad. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by KoroushSensei

I just started CC and I have seen 1 player take out an entire team solo. players go from no rank to gold in 1 hour

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SAM LB will by design do exactly that if opponents are not aware of the mechanics.

As for the ranking thing, every game with ranking is that to some or other degree. Everyone starts out at the default rank regardless of their actual skill, and in most cases outside of advanced enough esports to actively feature a placement system (such as League) or online versions of traditional card and board games (e.g., Doman Mahjong here in XIV, or most online Chess servers), the starter rank is the very bottom of the ladder.

So if you're actually good and you play enough games in a short period, you should fairly quickly rise to near or close to your proper rating level, that is how rating is intended to work (although with CC it's a little weird because there are the ratchet points that you can't drop below once achieved, while in most games you can potentially fall all the way to the minimum rating on a bad enough streak).

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Originally Posted by Amarande

SAM LB will by design do exactly that if opponents are not aware of the mechanics.

As for the ranking thing, every game with ranking is that to some or other degree. Everyone starts out at the default rank regardless of their actual skill, and in most cases outside of advanced enough esports to actively feature a placement system (such as League) or online versions of traditional card and board games (e.g., Doman Mahjong here in XIV, or most online Chess servers), the starter rank is the very bottom of the ladder.

So if you're actually good and you play enough games in a short period, you should fairly quickly rise to near or close to your proper rating level, that is how rating is intended to work (although with CC it's a little weird because there are the ratchet points that you can't drop below once achieved, while in most games you can potentially fall all the way to the minimum rating on a bad enough streak).

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I dunno, going from no rank to gold in an hour is nearly impossible because your team depends on RNG. You may be god at pvp, but if your teammates suck, then you'll lose.

From my experience it took me 2 weeks to reach gold back during season 1. I can buy if it's a day (though I'll still be suspicious).

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Originally Posted by KoroushSensei

I just started CC and I have seen 1 player take out an entire team solo. players go from no rank to gold in 1 hour

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The solo kill thing is not super outrageous, you can solo wipe a team as several classes with a good bit of luck and skill combined. I've wiped an entire party as a ninja coming in as cleanup after a good AE and I've also been solo team wiped by a few nuclear Limit Breaks, it happens. I find you remember this sort of thing when it happens to you and just don't remember the 3,000 times people blew it and killed no one.

In spite of all the talk about cheating I've only ever seen a few instances of absolutely blatant cheating using the auto-target bot in ranked. Other than that, I'm sure it lurks about here and there but it's not the order of the day.

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Originally Posted by KoroushSensei

I just started CC and I have seen 1 player take out an entire team solo. players go from no rank to gold in 1 hour

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Was it a Samurai?

A GNB with LB, a WAR with LB, a SAM with LB and probably a BLM as well if the enemy is sleeping can do massive teamwipes. A NIN can chain kill as well if given the right situation.

Now, Ive seen actual cheating and nearly choked on a drink from laughing - a DNC used speedhacks and basically had perma zoomies that were faster than the speedlanes on Palaistra.

I won anyways because Blota and Salted Earth are a blessing.

Are they frequent? Perhaps more recently but I have rarely seen it happen on Light datacenter. I wont speak for NA datacenters though... *ehem*

how rampant is cheating in CC ? : Yes

It's still going on, and SE has absolutely no cheater prevention engine on their game, just about "everything" passes and unfortunately they can't do a thing about it, and don't really want to bother to.

https://youtu.be/sXlzYhvlOdQ

In my experience people are just bad.
Either my groups just faceroll the other group, or we get facerolled..
I can't tell you how many times my team members try to 1 vs 5 instead of grouping up...
Its so frustrating >_<

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Originally Posted by Kozh

I dunno, going from no rank to gold in an hour is nearly impossible because your team depends on RNG. You may be god at pvp, but if your teammates suck, then you'll lose.

From my experience it took me 2 weeks to reach gold back during season 1. I can buy if it's a day (though I'll still be suspicious).

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This is half true, you can trick the system into queueing you with friends if you all queue at the same time. I've done it several times with my partner. So it's not a stretch of the imagination to see 5 people who all know each other on the same team. Even if you end up on separate teams, your friends on the opposing side can just throw the game and help you rank faster that way.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

This is half true, you can trick the system into queueing you with friends if you all queue at the same time. I've done it several times with my partner. So it's not a stretch of the imagination to see 5 people who all know each other on the same team. Even if you end up on separate teams, your friends on the opposing side can just throw the game and help you rank faster that way.

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I see that more often then not and I would consider that cheating if the game's code wasn't so trash

So nothing new, just the usual?

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Originally Posted by Wolwosh

In my experience people are just bad.
Either my groups just faceroll the other group, or we get facerolled..
I can't tell you how many times my team members try to 1 vs 5 instead of grouping up...
Its so frustrating >_<

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*stop playing Dota/dota2 because of this*
*somehow trick myself into going for a rank in CC*
You know, at some point you need to look at yourself in the mirror and just admit that you are the worst enabler for these bad habits. ;A;

It's very easy to get a team kill and have it look like it was 'solo'. I've gotten the credit for a full team kill on DRG almost daily, because people huddle up on the crystal and refuse to disengage during combat.

(This is in Casual. I don't have the patience for Comp queue times now that I missed the start-of-season rush.)

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*stop playing Dota/dota2 because of this*
*somehow trick myself into going for a rank in CC*
You know, at some point you need to look at yourself in the mirror and just admit that you are the worst enabler for these bad habits. ;A;

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No because I just don't heal people who do this, or run after them :p

I saw an uptick of them in season 2, but basically saw none in season 3.

That said, when they reset all the ranks in season 3 I was clearing bronze teams by myself pretty easily, so its really not all that surprising if a crystal player on an alt is just wrecking bronze players.

Maybe should not stand to close next to opponent SAM's and the likes...

You can do some absolutely marvelous things in PvP.. especially if you have dong it for a while and got experience in playing it... you can on time run into 4-5 weekend pvp'ers on both own and opponent team in a figure of speech.. which just get hammered hard as your team or the other work hard on the objective in both CC and Frontline... i play bard mainly in pvp and die hard at it... often you need to know when to engage... and when to engage running backwards... and when to pull quite a bit back then advance into people that has seen fools gold.

Unlike Savage and Ultimate content, the greatest skill to overcome anything in this game is PvP and the hardest challenge due to you need to react to the current situation and not follow a pre-set script for an instance... and by that NOT dizzing Savage/Ultimate players... because there, especially if you dare to play on min ilevel you REALLY need to know your job well and play the floor is lava game as well.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

I saw an uptick of them in season 2, but basically saw none in season 3.

That said, when they reset all the ranks in season 3 I was clearing bronze teams by myself pretty easily, so its really not all that surprising if a crystal player on an alt is just wrecking bronze players.

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Yeah, I don't see many bots anymore. The number of high rank players on alts surprisingly tends to happen a lot these days. You can start to tell when people don't belong in a low tier or are playing on an alt simply due to how they react to certain encounters and fights if you climbed all the way to Crystal tier. I've come across a lot of them in my time on different accounts in different Datacenters. There's a lot more subtle nuances to playing your job well, which is what starts distinguishing higher ranked players from lower rank players even if they have the same stats and skillsets. It's what allows them to make amazing kill streaks or "barely survive". People at higher ranks have really good reaction speed, but even more importantly are those who can anticipate and bait attacks to lead to a more favorable outcome. If you want to do well in PvP, you also want to know each job's strengths and weaknesses to fully take advantage of it. For lower ranks, you should depend on yourself more than your teammates if you don't think they will do a good job though.

A big thing to note is that players from Unranked to Gold are generally easily beatable if you're higher ranked than them (Diamond or higher usually). This is mainly due to a difference in accumulated experience. There's a loss-prevention system in place for people Gold and below in their ranking. People who can't accumulate more wins than losses from Gold onwards will not be able to climb past Gold, which is where the skill issue starts playing a huge factor in separating players. Even if a player has reached gold, they may truly not be at a gold-tier standard and have been carried through the loss-prevention system overtime.

You sound like a bad player who don't know how to deal with players who have a proper understanding to the game and can actually press buttons.