Simple scholar request

Can the devs please increase the potency of Adloquium's shield to compensate for its 2 second cast time given that sage can put out the same strength heal/shield in one second while moving? This same request would apply to succor as well. It's just our core function is to bubble people before damage goes out and the other guy is objectively better at this function than scholar. Of the cooldowns that have something in common between the two jobs, scholar's either take more time to execute or require manual input that the sage's does not. Having played both, it feels like in almost all situations a sage can overlap one additional cooldown/ability than the scholar, with the scholar getting no benefit for the slower performance.

Having chain stratagem and an instant cast single target spell is great, although that is an entirely different function of the job, so it doesn't really balance out the slower healing/shielding.

Sage doesn’t have recitation, and I’m not convinced that bubbling people is a particularly effective use of resources most of the time. AST and WHM have to be able to clear the content too after all.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

It's just our core function is to bubble people before damage goes out and the other guy is objectively better at this function than scholar.

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Not true because Deploy exists. SCH is considered the strongest barrier healer for endgame, having both superior dps and stronger mitigation. If you buffed Adlo, Deploy would be even more ridiculously good. Succor also has 100 more heal than Eprog (which can matter for things like E tactics).

Sage is "comfier" to play than SCH, which is a perk of the job, but in optimized situations SCH is better. That said, a 1.5 sec cast on both GCD shields would be perfectly fair.

I mean technically Eukrasian shields have a pseudo-cast time since they have to press 2 buttons to get the shields, but yes I would like stronger shields and lower cast times. Cast times for heals are too long.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

Not true because Deploy exists. SCH is considered the strongest barrier healer for endgame, having both superior dps and stronger mitigation. If you buffed Adlo, Deploy would be even more ridiculously good. Succor also has 100 more heal than Eprog (which can matter for things like E tactics).

Sage is "comfier" to play than SCH, which is a perk of the job, but in optimized situations SCH is better. That said, a 1.5 sec cast on both GCD shields would be perfectly fair.

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Deployment is one of the things that feel properly balanced between the two jobs. It's a 60 potency stronger shield than a zoe empowered eukrasian prognosis. If it can be crited ahead of time using recitation even better. That being said, its higher stakes because the shield can get lost/diminished before it is spread, the target could be positioned poorly so that not everyone gets it, etc. So its balanced out against sage's Zoe pretty well. I can't say the same for thing for sacred soil vs kerachole, though. Or the fact that to "double bubble" scholar needs to first summon seraph to use seraphic veil, whereas sage just presses one instant cast cooldown that gives 10% damage reduction and an additional bubble.

When we look at the entire toolkit, sage is just way more convenient at keeping people alive.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

Deployment is one of the things that feel properly balanced between the two jobs. It's a 60 potency stronger shield than a zoe empowered eukrasian prognosis.

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Deploy is a drastically stronger ability. SGE is so weak and lacking in the shield department, that Square had to attach an additional shield to Holos, since SGE was struggling with mitigation checks in DSR. Deploy has the unique property of turning single target healing buffs into additional group wide mitigation. Things like Minne, Protraction and Krasis see their best value when put towards a Deploy. Given how easy it is to bolster Deploy and the overall larger shields, Zoe + EProg is no where close to the same power level. Not only that, but Zoe vs Recitation is a joke. SGE would need to use Zoe and Rhizomata to accomplish what Recitation does alone. SGE is a weaker version of SCH in every regard. It's like a poorly made copy with Pneuma added on.

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Originally Posted by IllyaPrisma

Deploy is a drastically stronger ability. SGE is so weak and lacking in the shield department, that Square had to attach an additional shield to Holos, since SGE was struggling with mitigation checks in DSR. Deploy has the unique property of turning single target healing buffs into additional group wide mitigation. Things like Minne, Protraction and Krasis see their best value when put towards a Deploy. Given how easy it is to bolster Deploy and the overall larger shields, Zoe + EProg is no where close to the same power level. Not only that, but Zoe vs Recitation is a joke. SGE would need to use Zoe and Rhizomata to accomplish what Recitation does alone. SGE is a weaker version of SCH in every regard. It's like a poorly made copy with Pneuma added on.

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But then there is the rest of my post about the fact its higher stakes because your spreading an existing shield, so it can get damaged before it goes out or the person you shielded could be in a bad position. It's balanced out via the higher stakes. Although because eukrasian prog + zoe also heals for 150 potency mileage may vary between the two as is. So in most content in the game the eukrasian prog + zoe is far more useful. It's only when someone can anticipate something coming out that deployment tactics even has value. Given we've got a mountain of dungeon/raid/trial content at this point, anticipating mechanics is not a realistic expectation outside of the narrow focus of the current savage tier.

I will always support Scholar getting buffed despite overwhelmingly being the best healer in the game. It is not enough that we should succeed - others should fail.

Maybe not a potency buff, but lowering its cast time to 1.5s would make it easier to Deploy. You can already do so much to enhance that one shield (Fey Illumination, Dissipation, Recitation, Protraction, even buffs from other jobs) to cover more damage than SGE can ever wish for.

But like others said, SCH is already the best healer in endgame content, so I don't think it needs any changes relative to current healer gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

anticipating mechanics is not a realistic expectation outside of the narrow focus of the current savage tier.

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Content outside of Savage, Ultimate has incredibly light healing requirements and is very easy. Neither Zoe + EProg or Deploy are necessary or efficient GCD usages in dungeons, primals, etc. You might Zoe or Galvanize a shield on a tank between pulls, but it's largely unneeded with how self sufficient tanks are. Anticipating damage and planning CD usage is a requirement for more difficult content (where healing actually matters), and SGE simply offers less than SCH. It's certainly not unreasonable to have an expectation of mechanic knowledge and awareness, especially in a static or labeled party finder. Your argument about the Deploy shield being damaged before spreading is also a bit silly. You can Deploy from your own model, so positioning isn't a factor. EProg and Deploy have the same 15y range. My point to you is that any instance where shielding the party genuinely matters, Deploy is far superior, like everything else in SCHs kit compared to SGE.

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Originally Posted by Fendred

But then there is the rest of my post about the fact its higher stakes because your spreading an existing shield, so it can get damaged before it goes out or the person you shielded could be in a bad position. It's balanced out via the higher stakes. Although because eukrasian prog + zoe also heals for 150 potency mileage may vary between the two as is. So in most content in the game the eukrasian prog + zoe is far more useful. It's only when someone can anticipate something coming out that deployment tactics even has value. Given we've got a mountain of dungeon/raid/trial content at this point, anticipating mechanics is not a realistic expectation outside of the narrow focus of the current savage tier.

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Eh. In most content of the game, Shields aren't necessary, so Zoe + Eukrasian Prog wouldn't matter because you can survive without it with the rest of a healer's healing abilities.
In content that actually does matter - content that requires shielding or you will die, Zoe + Eukrasian Prognosis still falls short compared to Recitation + Adloquium + Deployment Tactics, especially once you factor in how healing buffs can scale a single target GCD heal to be much better than an AoE heal.

It's kind of hard to see Deployment Tactics as "higher stakes". You just use it when you know you need a shield and know when to best apply it. This is how all healers function, and is not unique to just Deployment Tactics. This is especially true for Astrologians, who know when to best detonate their Earthly star. That's why people say a healer at high-end content can map their entire toolkit to the encounter. How else do you plan around using Seraph to ensure you get the most healing value out of your two charges of Consolation?

"Mileage may vary", what really matters is if you can rely on it when it counts. If it isn't as useful when it matters, as shown when Holos had to be buffed to compensate for that lack of shield potency a Sage cannot output whereas a SCH's can, then it's not very useful at all. This is exactly the sole reason why Scholar is the undisputed shield healer. Comfortability is good, but raw potency and effective utility is equally as important. The higher stakes isn't really an issue because that's mostly covered by personal skill and knowledge, which is something all players accumulate overtime, and is unrelated to the job itself.

At most, I would want Scholars to get a slightly reduced cast time (2 seconds to 1.5 seconds) only to make it easier to weave.

Guaranteed Critical Adloquium is about 900+ potency shielding BEFORE anybuff (protraction Illumination, Minne...)
You can spread it, make it one of the strongest aoe shield in the game.

E.prog + Zoe is sadly only 480 pot shield (crit being unreliable since totally RNG)
That's why Holos got buffed.

A 2s cast time doesn't make it need to be stronger than what we can already do with it.