This is just getting to be ridiculous! They may be different characters/free companies but you know it is the same person or their friends that still monopolize an entire ward!
People Monopolizing Wards on Coeurl!
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10-29-2022, 01:39 AMMaidenSteorraPeople Monopolizing Wards on Coeurl!
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10-29-2022, 08:11 AMJojoya
This happens on almost every world. Unfortunately, SE left a nice big loophole in their rules when it comes to FC houses and some are all too happy to take advantage. The only thing to slow it down now is lottery competition, but there's precious little of that for FC houses when new wards are added.
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10-29-2022, 11:37 PMYodada
Let's light a candle for all the homeless who are too lazy to make their own FC.
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10-30-2022, 08:10 AMJojoyaMaking a FC doesn't work on Coeurl. Our FC wards sold out about 6 weeks ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yodada
Also, people shouldn't have to make a solo FC to get a house. I don't blame them when they do but it shouldn't be necessary. -
10-30-2022, 11:26 AMwhysosalty
I love these salty threads. Keep em comin while we keep snatching up shell FCs
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10-31-2022, 01:26 AMBesame"Oh no! Say it isn't so!!!" Always happened on Coeurl, my original server. Loopholes keeo -on-a-poppin' and will until people take matters into their own pocketbooks and hit SE where it hurts.Quote:
Originally Posted by MaidenSteorra
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11-03-2022, 10:38 AMaxetastic
One FC has (almost) an entire Ishgard ward on my server. I raised a big stink about it awhile back, called them out here, and they changed their FC tags for awhile so they didn't all match. At the time I first saw them, almost every house had the same FC <TAG>, and the little flavor text doober beside the FC name also read the same for each house. Most houses were not decorated. After I called them out they temporarily changed their FC names, but I just checked out of curiosity, and it looks like they're still holding the entire ward, and at it again. Nearly all houses are marked with a matching FC name and greeting text. The FC name is different than before, but they all match each other again. C'mon guys, I know it's ya'll. But hey, why not be brazen when clearly they can get away with it?
At this point I prefer that they just stay to their own ward and don't take up space in other peoples' nice neighborhoods. I'm lucky enough to be surrounded mostly by creative neighbours who actually decorate their houses. Really a shame to see nothing done about these hoarders. -
11-04-2022, 05:53 AMAyan_Calvesse
The sad part is - SE already has a solution; they just need to do it.
-Limit accounts to 1 house per world (or ideally Per DC) like they do with private homes.
-Do away with the stupid notion of FC houses. If you want your FC mates to live with you - go nuts.
-Allow the purchase of additional quarters in all homes at a exponential mark-up. It will be a nice gil sink and help off-set the problem of item limit by allowing folks to make a bedroom/bathroom. -
11-06-2022, 12:54 AMThemarvin
Remove grandfathering permanently, hard restrict housing on all, make it so your account only can make 1 FC per DC and 1 house.
It may hurt for some or a smaller group of people, but again these are them people that do take advantage anyone and give little about anyone else. -
11-06-2022, 09:07 AMAyan_Calvesse
I agree whole heartedly.
honestly the FC thing is such a crazy loophole that its not even funny especially how easy it is to fill out a FC - the inflation of gil in FF 14 also needs to be addressed - right now there are many who are gil capped...which means they can fund the purchase of a entire division EASILY. (370 million will cover a entire division of bids - and thats lazy math as I am assuming EVERY plot is A rank (which it is not) meaning a Gil capped character can easily fund the purchase of a ward by their members with enough left over to bid on another sub division as well.) -
11-06-2022, 09:49 AMBladehawkThis does not go far enough. We need to demolish all housing every 30 days and auction them again. This fair and equitable action plan will allow everyone a chance to own their choice of location and size of home every month. It will also kill off the rmt market and all grandfathered and loophole houses. This plan also will ensure everyone is equally unhappy with housing while also addressing the current lack of housing for everyone who wants one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Themarvin
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11-06-2022, 10:59 AMAyan_CalvesseFine by me; but then some requirements are needing to be put in place..Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladehawk
1 - Allow the saving of home layouts; some players can take weeks to decorate.
2 - Unlimited storage of housing items which is not linked to the home itself - if your auto demoing every 30 days then I do not wish to waste my 4m+ of housing fixtures.
3 - Reduce the cost of homes....do away with it entirely.
4 - Get rid of the lottery; bring back the click based race - 30 days - 5 gives you 25 days of home ownership.
I think the idea of giving up your home over 30 days defeats the purpose of owning a home; especially when you consider Free-companies being constantly uprooted and ceasing to have a presence in a ward (contrary to popular belief; there are FC's that hang out at the FC house; outside and are creating a visable presence on some servers - thats to say nothing of the damage this would do to RP venues.
Your idea I think would also kill the interest of many in home ownership. A great deal of players often decorate as a long process and a costly one.
Consider this there are 7200 houses per server at the moment...
That means on your native server - that is 1 house per 89 characters. (source https://www.gamepur.com/guides/final...er-populations )
That is assuming EVERYONE is after a home. That is assuming every character is the correct GC rank and has the wealth to purchase a home and desires one
However - there is a limitation to consider - you can only have 1 private per world.
So ideally that number of players are on full accounts - this would make it 81k (approx) / 7200 = 11 people per house. Thats extremely good odds.
The problem is people owning multiple homes that strangles the market - because its a limited resource and people WILL pay for them.
In the worst case - its 1 in 89 chance to get a home.
Best case its 1 in 11.
Those numbers are both actually favoring the negative - as mentioned; not everyone can get a house or wants one for a variety of reasons so both those odds are likely significantly better.
Honestly - just removing the concept of FC housing as separate from private and limiting a home to 1 per DC would drastically free up supply and likely solve the issue. However there are some quality of life issues that would also need to be addressed - namely ensuring alts can use the same estate, increasing item limits, permitting private quarters in all houses. -
11-06-2022, 11:03 AMShibiToo weak, really. To tackle the problem with real zeal and ensure 100% of the player base is unhappy, we need to delete 100% of the characters every month. Then everyone has to start fresh grinding from level 1 with no gil. First to level 50, 2nd Lieutenant, and 40,000,000 can take their pick of the larges, for a month.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bladehawk
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11-06-2022, 11:07 AMVencio
More the reason why I stopped bothering with attempts on getting a property altogether regardless.
- Placard was a hysterical joke; can’t believe most people literally camped & stayed on on hours long clicking on it (or resort to third party programs)
- Lottery was & is the 2nd head of the Hydra after cutting the first’s (being placard). Total madness….so many bidders (#s going as high as 100 or lore) only for one randomly to win it.
- Most wards are FC owned & perhaps disgustingly motivating individuals to cheat out on it all the same; be it creating multiple alts or banding together with soulless folks that share the same enthusiasm
It even begs the question….are we being mocked at or part of a social experiment out of their amusement? (Yes you developers!).
Just make housing instanced based like ESO & it will quell the angry mob that otherwise are ultimately right..
PS: Delight on having an FC room or apartment for the time being guys. It’s a lost battle; don’t bother pressing further.
Cheers, -
11-06-2022, 11:26 AMAyan_Calvesse
I think the placard thing was closer to how housing should have been - the problem is that you never really limited the amount 1 player could own; so they created essentially real estate firms which ran amok and SE over-reacted to it.
Honestly - 1 house per DC
Build a structured market for housing - so if I wish to sell my home; then I must do so through the market system and ANY abuse of that is bannable (essentially if you try to freely trade a 1000 million gil and then also use the market system - the buyer could rat you out to SE and keep your house; thus making it a detriment for you to go outside the system AND encourage folks to rat you out for trying to exploit the market)
--Essentially every home would have a bottom and top market; the longer you own a home the higher your top market value goes. you can sell your home to another player for between what you paid for it from the system; or as high as your current market value permits; this stops rapid house flipping.
Do that and I think you would find everyone that wants one would get a house - then you need only deal with the crying for a Large. -
11-06-2022, 01:21 PMShibiRight now is the perfect time to get a house, really. This is just one server, one city, and just the larges. Throw in the mediums and it goes on for pages. Even a lot of the SSS plots only have 1 bid one on them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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11-06-2022, 07:48 PMJojoyaYou forgot to add in "Best of all, transfers to this world are free! But act now for this is a limited offer ending on November 9th at 6:59am PST. Don't miss out!"Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
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11-06-2022, 08:59 PMLaylaTsarra
Tons of homes on Materia too. The goal of SE at the moment is to increase the number of servers and to try and equalize populations. If you don't want to partake of the opportunity for new housing well the fact of the matter in my view is they won't be adding new wards to existing worlds until this phase is done. 4 more servers coming to Dynamis and a whole new DC to the EU with 8 additional servers. That's a lot of housing.
Will it fix the shortage no but it sure offers those who want a house the opportunity to get one. I moved an alt to Halicarnassus and I still can spend my time on Gilgamesh and Siren where i have friends and all my crosslinks and friend lists are as if I didn't leave.
I wish Materia had the opportunity to DC travel and can hope that SE will see the need and offer that hopefully sooner than later. I would be interested in seeing growth figures but my suspicion is people may be leaving for the new housing opportunities with Dynamis and the EU rather than stick it out on Materia and hope for the best. -
11-06-2022, 09:03 PMLaylaTsarraI'm sure SE will take this advice given by you and Bladehawk with open arms. Can't wait for the next live letter to see them reaffirm they'll be deleting/demolishing all houses every 30 days and putting them up for sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ayan_Calvesse