"Relic changes"

"Relic changes"

ARR: Zodiac Weapons
Book change to only include dungeons but must be synced to the level of dungen
Light phase
Synced content 4x amount of light. doing it unsynced current bonus is good.

HW: Anima Weapons
Singing Clusters increase
Daily 5
Weekly 30

SB: Eurekan Weapons
Seems ok I went in last week and it's alive and well.
Maybe double drop rate.

SB: Resistance Weapons
The 2 biggest issue I have right now are
Fate farming > 1 for silver 3-4 for gold.
Delubrum Reginae
Scale the HP just a little more last time I went it, it was a party of 5 and it took over an hour,
Increasing the reward to 5x Timeworn Artifact seems fair for the effort put in.

or add 5 timeworn artifacts to the weekly quest.

I did these relics when they were current content. Now they are way harder to complete with the number of people doing them.

why would you make the books more of a slog than they already are? Are you insane, or do you just hate everyone?

I say we change every step to just do Crystal Tower over and over again.

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Originally Posted by SamsonBlacke

why would you make the books more of a slog than they already are? Are you insane, or do you just hate everyone?

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No I think he meant for the books to just be doing a couple of dungeons synced. None of the other tasks required alongside it.

Personally I would do any of these 2 changes with the ARR books:

Either remove the specific fates from the books to just (do fates in specified zone) or condense the book parts to just be 1 book per stat rather than multiple books per stat

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

No I think he meant for the books to just be doing a couple of dungeons synced. None of the other tasks required alongside it.

Personally I would do any of these 2 changes with the ARR books:

Either remove the specific fates from the books to just (do fates in specified zone) or condense the book parts to just be 1 book per stat rather than multiple books per stat

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I like the latter. The books are canonically a complete waste of time because someone sold Rowena forgeries, and she told one of her associates to burn the fakes.

You find the person tasked with burning them, and she agrees to let you have them, although her friend pipes up and asks for you to go bring back some treasure from dungeons for the privilege of risking them getting caught not doing what Rowena asked.

So keep one of the fake wastes of time for each useless stat, but slim it down from TEN FRICKING BOOKS.

I've not yet touched ARR or HW relics, nor do I seemingly want to from how grindy they seem, but Eureka and Bozja are mostly fine.


Eureka Hydratos needs the buffed crystal drop rate the earlier zones had. To be slightly more outrageous, Baldesion Arsenal should be changed so you can freely enter with a premade group by talking to an NPC in Kugane. Saves waiting for Ovni spawns or dealing with people stealing portals (does still happen from time-to-time).


My only real criticism is that this legacy content, which zone includes Bozja relics, has very few QoL changes overall. The ARR and HW relics should take like an afternoon at best IMHO for legacy content plus require a fraction of the poetics that they do. Plus there needs to be an expotential progession increase for alts. If you complete one relic, the next of that kind is faster and then the third etc are even quicker.

honestly.., The book Phase would be much better if you can buy all the books at once.., or at least let us buy one if each type..,
so instead if each one by one..,
it's more In phases, 3-4 book phases.

But As Someone who Did All the Relics.
it's really just if the relic matters at all for you, rly.
<now if you add alts in the matter, there should be a new final step added. Like linking a certain Crystal to all Relics, which should lessen and alter the requirements for all Expansions, including ARR relics, accountwide, unlocks maybe for alt characters>
as for ARR Lights, just make it more obvious which duty has a bonus, by having it notify in the system, but in a not obtrusive way, like when it notifies you when you unsync in chat.
it's ridiculous to expect people to sync the dungeons for Relics at all nowadays and would be backwards.

tldr: For ARR[though I can careless, and tbh it's the effort that adds worth] Make it so you can obtain all books, or obtain all the books of the same phase(1-2-nether <except for the last single one which should be taken anytime>) and work on them simultaneously. which would drastically kill the dread and time consumption. and make it obvious which duties offer bonus light at any time.
[but personally, as someone who has all Zeta, I'd like this to apply to accountwide. like of you was to link a certain orange crystal and "soul bind" your gear to the WoL/D. which any alt you could have. also is, to reducing time getting Relics on alts.]

Can't say much of Anima, despite having all the Relics as well.[never melted my zetas, seems ridiculous to do so]
Gathering the ingredients was kinda annoying but not as much as other stages. one weapon also had its states fd up, but eh. Anima had a much easier time to deal with. though I guess more reminders/clearly indicators of what stage you're on. as its easy for many to forget to get a certain item, or talk to a npc before gathering, light etc, etc.
Lots of prep work, but you miss a step after a long time grinding[if you really didn't notice] or have to leave party after first run, cause you noticed it early.

<same as before, add reduced requirements for accountwide>

Eureka/Bozja only need a few adjustments.
asides accountwide, which would be kinda different than the other Relics when it comes to unlocking. but for eureka, allow trading in items you don't need any longer for other materials, like feathers for protean/anemo. or increased chances of 5, instead if 2. as well for the other zones respectively.
as for bozja, a- the more of an item you have, the more you accumulate system.
would reduce memory grind for those who do all at once. whilst keeping it normal for those who do one at a time.
<though again, these changes only seem worth only benefiting alts in the end.>

Add mats to all the roulettes to give a greater incentive to do them when you hit max level.

ShB as an example: Instead of putting people into POTD / HoH put them in the 5678 roulette

I just finished my ARR Relic for PLD. By far the books were the worst part because of the fates. Genuinely, I'd take leaving everything as-is but getting rid of only the fate requirement. Everything else was grindy but able to be banged out, the fates were the only thing where I genuinely dreaded waiting. The rest of the books took like 30 minutes each, but waiting on the fates meant that they'd take anywhere from 1 hour to 1.5 hours on top of the rest of the book. And heavens forbid you completed one fate only for another to have spawned in the meantime...

I have no problem whatsoever with the light system as I just spammed AV for the 2k light and Ifrit NM for the mahatmas.

I think they should change the ARR relics once done the books for one relic don't have to do them again for the other jobs relics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEsVfa70yzw

Random video in my feed after posting this earlier today.

Yes Books in ARR would only be dungeons no other content. This should in make it so new people or people leveling other jobs always have people doing this content. or for a long time anyways.

ARR: Change it to a single big book that collects everything instead of having to buy each book one at a time. Remove fates, Leves are changed to "complete x leves at a, b and c locations". Perhaps double the light gained in the first light step.

HW: Overall at this point it's not very bad, it's mainly just a poetics/GC seals dump.

SB: Increase light gain in Pagos, it's a major bottleneck. Change fates to "difficulty based on amount of people at the previous pop" instead of total amount so bunny-bots don't penalize fate-farmers. Add option to trade Hydatos Crystals for Crystalline Scales.

SHB: Increase amount of the 3x20 memories that drop from fates. Add the timeworm artifact to other activities, or make DP 100% drop any floor-set over level 50.

The only set I have yet to complete are the Eureakan weapons, the main part that is holding me back is the Pagos light stage. The fact you get so many crystals, but cannot support that rate with light is frustrating. FATEs need an increase in the light that they give and, as Kisshu mentioned, change how they determine the FATE boss health.

I probably wouldn't have an issue going in solo, if I knew I could kill the FATEs and not have the be artificially boosted just because there happens to be a massive BOT farm going on.

Also people seem to be forgetting to me I feel is the biggest offender from the ARR relic chain. The step where you need the craft items and desynth materials. If you're not an omnicrafter, prepare to pay huge amounts of money at the mb for the required items as people have been selling them for exuberant prices.

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Originally Posted by Mikey_R

The only set I have yet to complete are the Eureakan weapons, the main part that is holding me back is the Pagos light stage. The fact you get so many crystals, but cannot support that rate with light is frustrating. FATEs need an increase in the light that they give and, as Kisshu mentioned, change how they determine the FATE boss health.

I probably wouldn't have an issue going in solo, if I knew I could kill the FATEs and not have the be artificially boosted just because there happens to be a massive BOT farm going on.

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why are you doing the Pagos light stage? it's completely worthless as the stats are completely overridden when you upgrade to the Pyros weapon, and the Pyros light stage is only useful if you want to hyperoptimize for BA with the Physeos weapons

Really any changes to make the effort worth the reward at this point I would very much like.

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Originally Posted by SnowVix

why are you doing the Pagos light stage? it's completely worthless as the stats are completely overridden when you upgrade to the Pyros weapon, and the Pyros light stage is only useful if you want to hyperoptimize for BA with the Physeos weapons

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You have to do the Pagos light farming for the weapon upgrades. It's not like in Pyros where the light crystals are only used for the gacha stats.

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Originally Posted by Kisshu

You have to do the Pagos light farming for the weapon upgrades. It's not like in Pyros where the light crystals are only used for the gacha stats.

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right, forgot it was for that weird Frosted Protean Crystal step. Terrible design tbh.