Random observation

For WOW and FFXIV:

- An expansion that deals with cosmic threat and concludes a multi-expansion saga, has us flying in a spaceship into another planet/dimension at the end.
- An expansion before that dealing with an alternative timeline that has a bait-and-switch moment where the good guys almost won, but then Emet betrays you/Gul'dan subdues the Iron Horde and there is another mini-arc after that
- An expansion themed around Asia and focused on a war without an obvious large-scale threat(not front and center at least, both have one in the background)
- An expansion focused on dragons with a furious seething dragon as its primary antagonist(also bonus points for the similarities between shattering/7th calamity)

Is it poetry rhyming or "borrowing" concepts?
Is Gaius the Lich King?
Are we heading into FFXIV's BfA?

Hell if I know, but the parallels are fun.

I just hope that in 7.0 they borrow from the concept of Dragonflight’s return to form, sans the focus on dragons. A regional scale conflict without ridiculous cosmic powers warring witch each other, and absolutely no anime Meteion nonsense.

Blizzard actually has people believing this expansion will be anything more than the garbage they have peddled the last 10 years. Incredibly impressive on their part. I truly believe Blizzard could take a dump on the ground and sell it. These people would buy it 100%.

There are players who are content with things being released that aren’t equivalent to previously held standards in both WoW and other games.

Island sanctuary being one of them, among other controversies.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

There are players who are content with things being released that aren’t equivalent to previously held standards in both WoW and other games.

Island sanctuary being one of them, among other controversies.

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Island sanctuary is precisely what was advertised. Your expectations don't factor into the equation at all.

Broken down to specific elements you can see similarities anywhere but doesnt make it same or "barrowing concepts". Just my own 2 cents for what its worth. Personally from my toons perspective i would sort of hate to see a war between any combo of gardinia, uldah, limsa, or ishgard with all she "did" to bring together all the kingdoms but depending on how they do the story could be interesting. But again depending on the story dont make it BFA.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Island sanctuary is precisely what was advertised. Your expectations don't factor into the equation at all.

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What was it advertised as? For a lot of time between the first announcement and the release the only info I could find were a few examples of what not to expect. SE stands to directly profit (short term atleast) from hype prior to the expansion launch, this should mean that they have a larger responsibility to try to keep expectations accurate. Instead it seems to me they left that hype train to its own device. Therefore I think it's also their fault that people are disappointed in IS.

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Originally Posted by Saraide

What was it advertised as? For a lot of time between the first announcement and the release the only info I could find were a few examples of what not to expect. SE stands to directly profit (short term atleast) from hype prior to the expansion launch, this should mean that they have a larger responsibility to try to keep expectations accurate. Instead it seems to me they left that hype train to its own device. Therefore I think it's also their fault that people are disappointed in IS.

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The hype existed where it needed to for the expansion and this wasn't something that needed any hype. Since the fanfest last year, they made it clear that this was going to be super casual laid back content.

"Live the slow life."
"Place buildings, raise crops and take care of animals."
I got all I needed to know from those two sentences.

Any kind of "hype" would've been overkill. They told people what not to expect because they were absolutely misreading it and creating their own fantasy and hype. Players dug their own pit on that one.

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Island sanctuary is precisely what was advertised. Your expectations don't factor into the equation at all.

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This post is just such a piece of nonsense. Island Sanctuary was one of the least explained features they've ever rolled out. It was pretty much kept a complete mystery what it would entail until it actually launched, and then it was revealed to be hours of node clicking that somehow has less depth than open world gathering.

Where are all these people that love island sanctuary, outside of the forums? I don't know anyone in-game that actually thinks it's a good piece of content.

Heavens forbid I expect more engaging mmorpg elements that are aligned with the standard set by Ishgard restoration last expansion.

I’m quite firmly opposed to the frontloading of non-combat content but seriously, they need to do better than Island Sanctuary. Defend it all you like, those of us who see it for what it is are unmoved by your arguments.

This combined with a story that flew off the rails and has no direction anymore has left FFXIV in the worst state it’s been in since, arguably, 1.0.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Heavens forbid I expect more engaging mmorpg elements that are aligned with the standard set by Ishgard restoration last expansion.

I’m quite firmly opposed to the frontloading of non-combat content but seriously, they need to do better than Island Sanctuary. Defend it all you like, those of us who see it for what it is are unmoved by your arguments.

This combined with a story that flew off the rails and has no direction anymore has left FFXIV in the worst state it’s been in since, arguably, 1.0.

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Ishgard restoration?

You mean spend hours in diadem/buy mats off marketboard and then spend hours hitting a macro button to craft?

Like, island sanctuary is very light on content, its great for just chilling and roaming around.

And lol if you think this is the worst state the game has been in.


Would you believe people said the same thing back in 3.0? We had a 6 month gap between 3.0 and 3.1 and people said the devs were lazy and the game was dying and we were never getting new content again....


People have very very tinted glasses when it comes to previous expansions. Especially heavensward.

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

- An expansion that deals with cosmic threat and concludes a multi-expansion saga, has us flying in a spaceship into another planet/dimension at the end.

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I was amazed about what little connection there was from Endwalker to previous plot points.

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

- An expansion before that dealing with an alternative timeline that has a bait-and-switch moment where the good guys almost won, but then Emet betrays you/Gul'dan subdues the Iron Horde and there is another mini-arc after that

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Wasn't Emet in Shadowbringers an Antagonist who actually did help us? Exactly the opposite of what you claim here? Or what do you mean?

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

- An expansion themed around Asia and focused on a war without an obvious large-scale threat(not front and center at least, both have one in the background)

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Stormblood focused on the war and had both the Empire aswell as the typical summons. Zenos, the killer everybody seems to love, was introduced there and the main villian front and center. Idk what you need to qualify a "large-scale threat". Does it always need to be something weird that will only be stopped with the power of friendship?

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

- An expansion focused on dragons with a furious seething dragon as its primary antagonist(also bonus points for the similarities between shattering/7th calamity)

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I'm not into WoW. Do you put Heavensward with that Expansion where a dragon reformed the land or do you mean the upcoming dragonflight? Bonus points for the dragon of FFXIV and the shattering being not at all connected.

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

Is it poetry rhyming or "borrowing" concepts?
Is Gaius the Lich King?
Are we heading into FFXIV's BfA?

Hell if I know, but the parallels are fun.

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“You want to find the number 216 in the world, you will be able to find it everywhere. 216 steps from a mere street corner to your front door. 216 seconds you spend riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with anything, you will filter everything else out and find that thing everywhere.” - From the movie "Pi"

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Originally Posted by BRVV

I was amazed about what little connection there was from Endwalker to previous plot points.



Wasn't Emet in Shadowbringers an Antagonist who actually did help us? Exactly the opposite of what you claim here? Or what do you mean?



Stormblood focused on the war and had both the Empire aswell as the typical summons. Zenos, the killer everybody seems to love, was introduced there and the main villian front and center. Idk what you need to qualify a "large-scale threat". Does it always need to be something weird that will only be stopped with the power of friendship?



I'm not into WoW. Do you put Heavensward with that Expansion where a dragon reformed the land or do you mean the upcoming dragonflight? Bonus points for the dragon of FFXIV and the shattering being not at all connected.



“You want to find the number 216 in the world, you will be able to find it everywhere. 216 steps from a mere street corner to your front door. 216 seconds you spend riding on the elevator. When your mind becomes obsessed with anything, you will filter everything else out and find that thing everywhere.” - From the movie "Pi"

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I know that all of those stories are different in many more ways than they are similar, I simply found it a fun coincidence that these 4 expansions for WOW and FFXIV share these sometimes pretty key elements specifically in that order for both games.

I suppose I should’ve said cosmic scale threat, and not large scale. That would be the ascians, Meteion, Burning Legion from WOW etc, both Pandaria and Stormblood lack that as focal point for the story.

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Originally Posted by LittleImp

This post is just such a piece of nonsense. Island Sanctuary was one of the least explained features they've ever rolled out. It was pretty much kept a complete mystery what it would entail until it actually launched, and then it was revealed to be hours of node clicking that somehow has less depth than open world gathering.

Where are all these people that love island sanctuary, outside of the forums? I don't know anyone in-game that actually thinks it's a good piece of content.

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There was quite a bit of info in the live letter about island sanctuary. But if you mean when they first announced island sanctuary at the fan fest or pre expansion intervies i grant you yeah there wasnt much details but that seems to be the case for new content either not wanting to spoil stuff or not wanting to promise this but not be able to deliver and we get something else. I like the content. Personally cant wait to see what more they add to it. I grant you island sanctuary isnt everyones style but in an mmo that has a variety of players people arent going to like some aspects over others

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Originally Posted by xenahawk

There was quite a bit of info in the live letter about island sanctuary. But if you mean when they first announced island sanctuary at the fan fest or pre expansion intervies i grant you yeah there wasnt much details but that seems to be the case for new content either not wanting to spoil stuff or not wanting to promise this but not be able to deliver and we get something else. I like the content. Personally cant wait to see what more they add to it. I grant you island sanctuary isnt everyones style but in an mmo that has a variety of players people arent going to like some aspects over others

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Personally it is my style of content, the problem is that there isn't much to do on the island right now.
We need more ways to interact with the island.

Right now i can do everything i need to in 20 minutes on a tuesday and not have any reasons to go back for another week.
Except clicking on 3 mammets to get my ressources of the day and water my crops i don't have anything to do. I can do that in 3 minutes.

All i can do to pass time there is gather things. That isn't really engaging.
It needs some side activities making us actually maintain the island beyond setting the workshop for the week.

Even if it was small things like carrying object around, quick clicking mini games like in the gold saucer, or fishing even.
I hate to be there and having to leave because there's nothing to do but gather and wait.

If you want engagement, there's the whole rest of the game.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

If you want engagement, there's the whole rest of the game.

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Of course, but the rest of the game have engaging side content.
If i go into bozja there's a lot of things to do, same with Eureka or the firmament.
I can at least stay in these places and do stuff for hours.

In Island Sanctuary i can gather. Everything else is time gated.
I just want to be able to be able to enjoy the content without the game telling me to leave until there's something to do.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Heavens forbid I expect more engaging mmorpg elements that are aligned with the standard set by Ishgard restoration last expansion.

I’m quite firmly opposed to the frontloading of non-combat content but seriously, they need to do better than Island Sanctuary. Defend it all you like, those of us who see it for what it is are unmoved by your arguments.

This combined with a story that flew off the rails and has no direction anymore has left FFXIV in the worst state it’s been in since, arguably, 1.0.

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Man gotta love these infamous takes of yours. Current FFXIV as bad as 1.0? Well damn don't that beat all

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ishgard restoration?

You mean spend hours in diadem/buy mats off marketboard and then spend hours hitting a macro button to craft?

Like, island sanctuary is very light on content, its great for just chilling and roaming around.

And lol if you think this is the worst state the game has been in.


Would you believe people said the same thing back in 3.0? We had a 6 month gap between 3.0 and 3.1 and people said the devs were lazy and the game was dying and we were never getting new content again....


People have very very tinted glasses when it comes to previous expansions. Especially heavensward.

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Same with people having rose tinted glasses for shadowbringers when it was originally considered the worst expansion in terms of content

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Man gotta love these infamous takes of yours. Current FFXIV as bad as 1.0? Well damn don't that beat all

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Probably said that with his whole chest too :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

Is Gaius the Lich King?

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Did Arthas get a ham-fisted heel-face turn too? Last I checked he stayed dead, but I admit I haven't really looked at WoW's story since I left back in early Legion.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Did Arthas get a ham-fisted heel-face turn too? Last I checked he stayed dead, but I admit I haven't really looked at WoW's story since I left back in early Legion.

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They brought his disenchanted self back at the finale of the Shadowlands story with Sylvanas putting the blame on everything on him before he faded away forever.

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Originally Posted by Thenightvortex

Are we heading into FFXIV's BfA?

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Lol, I don't think even if XIV hits rock bottom with job design, story and/or gameplay it could be as bad as BfA was.

Now, the similarity with WoW that I might foresee for the future is some sort of brief time skip where the world will be changed as a whole - not necessarily a Cataclysm, but maybe something like 5 years?

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Originally Posted by Reap00

Island sanctuary is precisely what was advertised. Your expectations don't factor into the equation at all.

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Huh, Island Sanctuary was advertised as a mammet sweatshop? I could have sworn it was advertised as a cozy place where you could raise animals and crops, guess I was wrong.

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Originally Posted by RukoBoshi

I just want to be able to be able to enjoy the content without the game telling me to leave until there's something to do.

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This. The way Island Sanctuary works looks like something akin to Clash of Clans or Dragon Vale. Comparisons made by certain posters to other similar titles are hardly helpful when it comes to defending the content, especially when a number of better farming sims appear to be scheduled for release this fall by both SE and indie developers. Most of which appear to offer some form of combat to spice things up a little, and locales that are more impressive than a generic La Noscea reskin.

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If people who are into these sort of games are who this was supposed to be for, I cannot see them choosing FFXIV's island sanctuary over any of these titles. It just wasn't done well or fleshed out enough.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

This combined with a story that flew off the rails and has no direction anymore has left FFXIV in the worst state it’s been in since, arguably, 1.0.

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Man, I needed a good laugh.
This is like the most hyperbolic statement I've read in a while. haha

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

Man, I needed a good laugh.
This is like the most hyperbolic statement I've read in a while. haha

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Except I'm being serious. I feel like this game veered so far off into a direction it should not have gone in starting in 6.0 or arguably 5.4 when they had the first uwu catboy moment. They're taking in feedback from people who aren't normally into MMORPGs or Final Fantasy games in general, and now we have to deal with a playerbase that thinks it's ok for them to keep making mistake after mistake in all things ranging from content to writing. Especially blunders that some have justified with the "promise" that it'll be fixed or improve later.

Enough is enough. Content should release in a proper state from the beginning, and they need to figure out what direction this ship is sailing in when it comes to the story, since as far as I'm concerned 7.0 is no longer an automatic buy for me. I would love it if some of these influencers would actually call some of these issues out instead of defending the status quo at every turn or reacting to reaction videos in a strange feedback loop. This isn't conducive to anything good, but at least I can sleep easy at night knowing that I'm not the problem here and that if things keep getting worse I'll be remembered as one of the few people who actually tried to speak out when hardly anyone else did.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Except I'm being serious. I feel like this game veered so far off into a direction it should not have gone in starting in 6.0 or arguably 5.4 when they had the first uwu catboy moment. They're taking in feedback from people who aren't normally into MMORPGs or Final Fantasy games in general, and now we have to deal with a playerbase that thinks it's ok for them to keep making mistake after mistake in all things ranging from content to writing. Especially blunders that some have justified with the "promise" that it'll be fixed or improve later.

Enough is enough. Content should release in a proper state from the beginning, and they need to figure out what direction this ship is sailing in when it comes to the story, since as far as I'm concerned 7.0 is no longer an automatic buy for me. I would love it if some of these influencers would actually call some of these issues out instead of defending the status quo at every turn or reacting to reaction videos in a strange feedback loop. This isn't conducive to anything good, but at least I can sleep easy at night knowing that I'm not the problem here and that if things keep getting worse I'll be remembered as one of the few people who actually tried to speak out when hardly anyone else did.

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There he goes again insisting longtime FF or MMO players MUST dislike this games direction.

Aveyond was such a big fan he didn't even join the forums until 2021.

Aveyond loves to always talk as if he speaks for the entire community.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Heavens forbid I expect more engaging mmorpg elements that are aligned with the standard set by Ishgard restoration last expansion.

I’m quite firmly opposed to the frontloading of non-combat content but seriously, they need to do better than Island Sanctuary. Defend it all you like, those of us who see it for what it is are unmoved by your arguments.

This combined with a story that flew off the rails and has no direction anymore has left FFXIV in the worst state it’s been in since, arguably, 1.0.

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Ishgard Restoration was intended to add both an alternate leveling path and an end game for crafters and gatherers.

Island Sanctuary was intended to be low demand relaxing content for players looking for a brief break from other content. It was not supposed to be this expansion's version of the Restoration. It was supposed to be something different for the game.

You're comparing apples to Chicken Cordon Blue. We know you're unmoved by what others say because you're not interested in discussion of what the content is. You're only interested in discussion about what you personally want.

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Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur

Same with people having rose tinted glasses for shadowbringers when it was originally considered the worst expansion in terms of content

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So was Heavensward at its release. It was very much hated by a lot of the player base.

What did you think was so terrible about the content in Shadowbringers.

I know some players felt like they were getting less in terms of quantity of dungeons but as SE said, they put that effort into the boss level encounters designed for Bozja/Zadnor. There's going to be disagreement on how that effort would be better spent.

I don't remember seeing a lot of complaints about overall quality, though.

I'd argue it's not a matter of players wearing rose-tinted glasses once the expansion is gone. I think it's more players being hyper critical when content is released looking for things to complain about instead of relaxing and enjoying a game for what it is. If they truly hated the newly released content as much as they say, they wouldn't stick around and wouldn't come back for the next expansion.

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Originally Posted by Cithaerias_pyropina

Huh, Island Sanctuary was advertised as a mammet sweatshop? I could have sworn it was advertised as a cozy place where you could raise animals and crops, guess I was wrong.

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It is a cozy place where you can raise animals and grow crops.

If you want rewards for doing those things, you only need to talk to the Exporter to sell your Leavings and excess crops not needed for the animal feed, and Hoarder to buy your rewards. You can ignore the other mammets.

It's up to you on whether you want to turn it into a mammet sweatshop. Nothing says you have to put them to work. Personally I don't mind doing it - I hate mammets so I'm happy to abuse those rusty machines..

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

If people who are into these sort of games are who this was supposed to be for, I cannot see them choosing FFXIV's island sanctuary over any of these titles. It just wasn't done well or fleshed out enough.

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Perhaps you should stop trying to compare very casual side content in a story-driven theme park MMO with a full fledged farming game that's only about farming.

Speaking of WoW...I miss the city raids and Wintergrasp. It was always amazing when someone got ganked in Ashenvale and so two people answer to gank the ganker...and then more people arrive for both sides and then a huge battle just starts...

Good Times.

A full PvP zone for 14 would be the only thing to make me interested in PvP...even if the PvP is kinda broken and some classes just clearly outclass others.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Ishgard Restoration was intended to add both an alternate leveling path and an end game for crafters and gatherers.

Island Sanctuary was intended to be low demand relaxing content for players looking for a brief break from other content. It was not supposed to be this expansion's version of the Restoration. It was supposed to be something different for the game.

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Yes. And it didn't work out all that well now that have people have blitzed through the content and have no reason to return to it unlike Restoration, where I could at least grind out and sell its rewards.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

I know some players felt like they were getting less in terms of quantity of dungeons but as SE said, they put that effort into the boss level encounters designed for Bozja/Zadnor. There's going to be disagreement on how that effort would be better spent.

I'd argue it's not a matter of players wearing rose-tinted glasses once the expansion is gone. I think it's more players being hyper critical when content is released looking for things to complain about instead of relaxing and enjoying a game for what it is. If they truly hated the newly released content as much as they say, they wouldn't stick around and wouldn't come back for the next expansion.

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Almost as if people wanted to see their feedback responded to by battle-oriented content being released earlier on in the expansion as opposed to this late on top of an already extended patch cycle that has amounted to little benefit for the players. The loss of a relic zones will also be felt during this expansion, since if Island Sanctuary is any indication I can’t expect anything too stellar coming out of Criterion Dungeons, especially when they led with a princess Minnie mouse mount as a reward.

How much clearer do I need to be that what people want is for things to get better rather than being told to leave whenever they go against the state of things?

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

It is a cozy place where you can raise animals and grow crops. Perhaps you should stop trying to compare very casual side content in a story-driven theme park MMO with a full fledged farming game that's only about farming.

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Forgive me for holding this game to the standards it should be held to if its going to compete for people’s attention, and in Island Sanctuary’s case the success of that attempt is questionable. They already took the compelling parts of the story out of the story and filled it full of slice of life and ill-fitting humour combined with a messianic lets-save-the-void plotline whose only redemption would be a catastrophic failure of that quest in favor of a global demonic invasion of the Source. Bar Pandaemonium, which is notable for being the only current questline where I can find the characters likeable or believable, there’s scarce else to keep my interest. Trying to appeal to everybody in this manner was a mistake – they should’ve focused on what they do best instead of mounting controversy upon controversy with the lackluster state of Island Sanctuary, “the winning number is 0,” Hildibrand 2.0/3.0 relics instead of relic zones, along with pizza, hamburgers, and god forbid burritos if they ever take us to the New World.

Someone has to say these hard truths, because I would rather not see FFXIV fail. I want it to be the best it can be, and it isn’t going to get any better when people can’t see stuff like Island Sanctuary for how hollow it is. All they had to do was listen to the people who, for 10 years, have directly told them that they just want a house. Put that on an island and call it a day. But, no, have whatever this is instead I guess, while players tell each other to leave. And people wonder why FFXIV is painted by others as little more than a visual novel these days.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Speaking of WoW...I miss the city raids and Wintergrasp. It was always amazing when someone got ganked in Ashenvale and so two people answer to gank the ganker...and then more people arrive for both sides and then a huge battle just starts...

Good Times.

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I was once in a group raiding Stormwind, and we decided to just camp out in one of the banks and see how long we could hold it. With warlocks summoning in reinforcements, healers keeping everyone topped up, hunters and death knights sending their pets out after people just for the hell of it. We kept it for over an hour before they finally mustered enough people to push us out. It was great.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

I was once in a group raiding Stormwind, and we decided to just camp out in one of the banks and see how long we could hold it. With warlocks summoning in reinforcements, healers keeping everyone topped up, hunters and death knights sending their pets out after people just for the hell of it. We kept it for over an hour before they finally mustered enough people to push us out. It was great.

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Right? It was fantastic cause you actually felt like a force to be reckoned with. I remember doing the Alliance version of For the Horde ( Hey I liked the racial Shadowmeld too much to pass it up ) and while we were doing our version...Alliance gets in in their head to raid our cities at the same time. So we stop in the middle of ours and we post up in Ironforge and we all hang close to the walls or pile behind the throne. As soon as the horde ran in we just nuked them with aoes like crazy. We wiped them twice and then proceeded to finish up our own raid.

We ended it on Thunderbluff and then just...stuck around. People would watch us but not engage. Most of us left but there was like a good 20 or so just waiting for the zeppelin when a lone Shaman kinda just RP walks up to us...and then proceeds to use an ability that pushed most of us off the cliff and wipe us. It was amazing. I hope that guy never forgets what a boss he was.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

Right? It was fantastic cause you actually felt like a force to be reckoned with. I remember doing the Alliance version of For the Horde ( Hey I liked the racial Shadowmeld too much to pass it up ) and while we were doing our version...Alliance gets in in their head to raid our cities at the same time. So we stop in the middle of ours and we post up in Ironforge and we all hang close to the walls or pile behind the throne. As soon as the horde ran in we just nuked them with aoes like crazy. We wiped them twice and then proceeded to finish up our own raid.

We ended it on Thunderbluff and then just...stuck around. People would watch us but not engage. Most of us left but there was like a good 20 or so just waiting for the zeppelin when a lone Shaman kinda just RP walks up to us...and then proceeds to use an ability that pushed most of us off the cliff and wipe us. It was amazing. I hope that guy never forgets what a boss he was.

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I did that so much in Eye of the Storm when I was playing a shaman. Ghost-wolf right into the middle of the flag mosh-pit and knock half the other team into the abyss.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Yes. And it didn't work out all that well now that have people have blitzed through the content and have no reason to return to it unlike Restoration, where I could at least grind out and sell its rewards.

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You mean you and a few other players blitzed through it and have no desire to return. Many of us are still enjoying ourselves.

You could return to Island Sanctuary to grind out cowries to buy materia and dyes to sell if you wanted. Granted it's not the rapid on demand style that the Restoration had but it's still possible.

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Almost as if people wanted to see their feedback responded to by battle-oriented content being released earlier on in the expansion as opposed to this late on top of an already extended patch cycle that has amounted to little benefit for the players. The loss of a relic zones will also be felt during this expansion, since if Island Sanctuary is any indication I can’t expect anything too stellar coming out of Criterion Dungeons, especially when they led with a princess Minnie mouse mount as a reward.

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Battle content releases have always been spread out in this game. Why are you expecting that to change?

We still don't have a good idea of what all the rewards in Criterion will be. If you don't like the mount, you don't like it. I can't say I particularly care for it myself but that's not killing my interest in the content.

A player that wants to be able to consume everything at once should be waiting until about 2 weeks before the x.5 patch to purchase an expansion and return to the game.

How much clearer must it be stated that what you personally want is not what everyone else wants? That what you think would be better may ruin the game for others who enjoy it for what it is?

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Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams

Forgive me for holding this game to the standards it should be held to if its going to compete for people’s attention, and in Island Sanctuary’s case the success of that attempt is questionable. They already took the compelling parts of the story out of the story and filled it full of slice of life and ill-fitting humour combined with a messianic lets-save-the-void plotline whose only redemption would be a catastrophic failure of that quest in favor of a global demonic invasion of the Source. Bar Pandaemonium, which is notable for being the only current questline where I can find the characters likeable or believable, there’s scarce else to keep my interest. Trying to appeal to everybody in this manner was a mistake – they should’ve focused on what they do best instead of mounting controversy upon controversy with the lackluster state of Island Sanctuary, “the winning number is 0,” Hildibrand 2.0/3.0 relics instead of relic zones, along with pizza, hamburgers, and god forbid burritos if they ever take us to the New World.

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It's competing perfectly well for the game it is - a theme park MMO. It's got the second largest active player base in the world. How can you say that's not competing?

If it's not competing with other theme park MMOs like you say, where are the players going to?

Again, if there's not really anything here to keep your interest it's time to go to a game that will. It would be interesting to hear your list of the theme park MMOs are doing it better in your opinion. Please name them for us and describe why you feel they're better.

Then tell us why you're still here playing this game and complaining in these forums instead of playing those other games and sharing your happiness with them in their forums.

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Someone has to say these hard truths, because I would rather not see FFXIV fail. I want it to be the best it can be, and it isn’t going to get any better when people can’t see stuff like Island Sanctuary for how hollow it is. All they had to do was listen to the people who, for 10 years, have directly told them that they just want a house. Put that on an island and call it a day. But, no, have whatever this is instead I guess, while players tell each other to leave. And people wonder why FFXIV is painted by others as little more than a visual novel these days.

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You'd be better off if you didn't confuse your personal opinions with "hard truths". Everything you post is your subjective opinion.

What you see as hollow may be the entertainment someone else is looking for. Is that why people play games - to be entertained? Yet not everyone has an interest in the same entertainment styles. Some like comedy, some like action, some like horror, some like intellectual puzzles, etc.

It's on the consumer to find the product offering what they want. Don't pay for something that isn't providing what you want. There are product brands I used to go to loyally when I was younger that I no longer buy because they changed their products and I no longer liked them. I'm playing FFXIV now because WoW changed and I no longer liked it.

Be a smart consumer, Don't waste money on things you don't like expecting them to change for your sake. They won't when they've got hundreds of thousands if not millions of other customers that are paying and satisfied..

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A player that wants to be able to consume everything at once should be waiting until about 2 weeks before the x.5 patch to purchase an expansion and return to the game.

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Stopped reading after this - It's clear that this is just one of many bad faith posters with whom extended discussions will yield little of value. Only FFXIV players would defend having less content to do in the way that I've seen some do during Endwalker and it's exhausted my patience. When you push out my voice, I hope that whatever remains of the playerbase is happy with the above individual as their spokesperson.

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Stopped reading after this - It's clear that this is just one of many bad faith posters with whom extended discussions will yield little of value. Only FFXIV players would defend having less content to do in the way that I've seen some do during Endwalker and it's exhausted my patience. When you push out my voice, I hope that whatever remains of the playerbase is happy with the above individual as their spokesperson.

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The only one "pushing out people voices is you" as you clearly have no interest in discussion and just put anyone who disagrees with you on ignore, after the first few attempts to make them see your view as the correct one.

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I can’t expect anything too stellar coming out of Criterion Dungeons, especially when they led with a princess Minnie mouse mount as a reward.

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Wait, what?

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The only one "pushing out people voices is you" as you clearly have no interest in discussion and just put anyone who disagrees with you on ignore, after the first few attempts to make them see your view as the correct one.

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That's hilarious coming from you.

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You mean you and a few other players blitzed through it and have no desire to return. Many of us are still enjoying ourselves.

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What blitzing? Unless you hadn't unlocked it yet, you would have to be going out of your way to avoid engaging with the stupid island to not be level 10 and just collecting cowries by now.