Feature request DPS check for PS players

Hi,

Just recently got into Savage fights.. and as a DPS player I would like to make sure that my DPS is not dragging anyone else down and make sure I improve.

However there's no way for me to check how well I did in the savage runs or if I can still get higher damage on it.

I do the sky, stone, sea for the fight and I do clear that before trying the savage fight. But am hoping for a way to check my own damage after savage fights to see if doing things differently improved it or made it worse.

Thanks!

A suggestion.

If you look at the # on the left sidebar I believe it shows you where you are at threat wise to the target - so if your desire is to know if your the weak link you should be able to compare your threat to your dps peers.
I am suprised your asking for this 2 years into the game...seems sus..

You're asking for a dps meter which will never be implemented though, Yoshi P said as much multiple times.

If you can clear stone sky sea then you have the damage to clear. Just keep doing your best while learning the mechanics

Sadly there is no way to know, unless u don’t play on a console, as a pc user u can use external tools to monitor, to make it even worse, if u are a console player like me, there is a high change everyone in the group knows your dps but yourself.

Sky stone and sea, says nothings about your dps in a savage fight it’s an extremely poor way to rate your dps, as it’s a static fight. The only thing I found somewhat useful is unsync some of the older savage fights, in which u do try to avoid the mechanics and time how fast u get the target down.

To me it’s extremely weird that there is not a personal dps meter, if clearly a large part of the savage community exactly knows there and my dps.

The only DPS meters are those that aren't allowed in the game. I've seen how DPS meters have affected players. Early on they were actually rather useful for people to monitor their DPS and they kept it hush hush inside of FFXIV whilst talking about it externally and trying to get advice on how they could adjust their rotations and improve their parses.

Nowadays however it looks like the community is turning ugly as more people use them despite it's against the TOS and has known to have gotten people banned for using them. Some people have gone really nasty over players who aren't performing optimally even in normal content and being elitist. I can fully understand Yoshii's decision on not adding DPS parsers for this very reason but it doesn't stop people using them anyways because honestly you can't really play an MMO that relies on DPS checks without having them to know whether or not you can actually meet that requirement, it's a ludicrous expectation and the stone sky and sea thing is just not adequate enough because it doesn't take into consideration that you'll have to dodge a lot of mechanics throughout the fight itself and that will affect your overall damage output. I wish there were better ways but unfortunately people have a habit of always turning something useful into a weapon to berate others with and it happens online more often since they're hiding behind a facade at the other side of a monitor where you can't see or reach them.

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Originally Posted by XmissionsX

Sky stone and sea, says nothings about your dps in a savage fight it’s an extremely poor way to rate your dps, as it’s a static fight.

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Stone, Sky, Sea says enough: if you cannot kill the dummy, you cannot make a fair contribution to the real fight.

Its purpose is not to tell you you can do it. It's there to tell you you're definitely not ready.

These are the things you need to know

Your rotation
Your uptime
Your buff alignment

DPS meters don't tell you these at all. theyre things you learn by playing and making mistakes. (Log analysis, however can help you with these but a simple numbers meter will not whatsoever)

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Originally Posted by Rongway

Stone, Sky, Sea says enough: if you cannot kill the dummy, you cannot make a fair contribution to the real fight.

Its purpose is not to tell you you can do it. It's there to tell you you're definitely not ready.

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So it’s a pointless exercise if u have a little clue about your rotation and are correctly geared which is not hard at all in ffxiv u easily beat the dummy, it’s a very lazy implementation of a dps check, which tells u very little about your performance in savage.

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Originally Posted by Biggle

These are the things you need to know

Your rotation
Your uptime
Your buff alignment

DPS meters don't tell you these at all. theyre things you learn by playing and making mistakes. (Log analysis, however can help you with these but a simple numbers meter will not whatsoever)

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It’s a start, console players have no tools to analyze there performance at all, not even a basic dps meter, but the rest of the party if on pc has a huge arsenal to measure there performance and also my performance in detail. So make it impossible to use the external tool or accept that a huge part of the savage community uses the tools and make it even if only in a limited capacity available to everyone.

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Originally Posted by XmissionsX

So it’s a pointless exercise if u have a little clue about your rotation and are correctly geared which is not hard at all in ffxiv u easily beat the dummy

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If you don't know your rotation it doesn't matter how high your gear is. You won't kill the dummy while it's relevant.

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Originally Posted by geekgirl101

Nowadays however it looks like the community is turning ugly as more people use them despite it's against the TOS and has known to have gotten people banned for using them.

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At this point the ToS are a total joke. And SE are powerless to do anything about it. It's not just parsers but people using gathering bots and whatever other stuff as well.

They've done nothing for far too long and now they quite literally are powerless to act..

Had they acted early on they may have banned a few hundred accounts and sent a pretty clear message to the playerbase..

Instead though though did nothing so that few hundred players turned into a few hundred more and still nothing was done so then it turned into a few thousand and still nothing was done. And then a few thousand more and still nothing was done.

Then it became tens of thousands and still nothing was done.. and as more and more players see more and players breaching the ToS with zero repercussions then more and more players start doing it.

And now they are basically powerless.

If they banned everyone breaching the ToS now. They'd have to ban I dunno 3/4 of the games population because of how widespread it now is.

So they basically can't do anything. And all that does is mean more and more people start using these tools because well there's zero reason not to.

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Originally Posted by Dzian

If they banned everyone breaching the ToS now. They'd have to ban I dunno 3/4 of the games population because of how widespread it now is.

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No, LOL. This is the kind of 'assumption' one makes when their scope of vision is extremely narrow. When they only watch streamers or listen to their friends about 'how the world of FFXIV really is," or when they assume that everyone else is running Savage content.

The player base that you are only a tiny, insignificant part of:

- People from ages 8-88, ESRB rating be damned. I doubt many eight-year-olds or octogenarians are running addons.

("Billy, you're crazy, no 80-year-olds play this game." Uh-oh, there's that narrow scope of vision rearing its ugly head again. My mom played this game until she simply couldn't anymore; she was 82 when she passed or she'd still be playing. My dad still plays and he is 80. I think if I had asked mom if she wanted a DPS meter she would have just given me a quizzical stare. Needless to say neither of them care or cared what their "DPS" was. My mom spent most of her time on glamours and apartment-decorating. Dad's spent a few years playing already and doesn't even have a max-level character yet. Mom loved this game and dad still does. I daresay my mom got more out of this game than some kid running Savage does. It took her mind off of the disease that slowly caused her to starve to death.)

- People that only log in and fish.
- People that only craft.
- People that like to do quests or MSQ as the core of their gameplay.
- Alt-o-holics.
- RPers.
- Folks that have 1 hour a week to play and don't raid.
- People who only want to own and design a house.
- People who don't even know that 3rd party addons exist.
- People that know of the addons but don't care or have no need for a DPS meter (hey, that's my group!)
- People that know of the addons and would run them but have respect for the ToS and don't.
- People that know of the addons and would run them but have fear of being actioned or banned.
- "Casuals" that don't care about DPS.

I'd say a far more educated guess is something closer to 10%. This would be near the 12% of people that routinely clear savage when it is relevant, minus the 2% of those players who still don't care about a DPS meter. OK, OK, I'll give you another 10% of 'casual' players that just want to see their DPS, and that leaves us at 20% of the player base that violates ToS to run a 3rd party addon.

If one truly believes 75% of the player base is just like them, that's delusional. That's just vastly over-estimating how many other people think or act like you do. Which is an extremely dangerous activity to get into once you're out there in the world in adulthood. Assuming everyone else wants what you want or thinks like you think leads to most of the horrors, most of the fighting, and all of the anger we see from the public in media today.

("How could those people possibly want that? I don't want that.")
("Why would those people act that way? I don't act that way.")
("This is what I would do, so this must be what everyone would do.")

Personally I'd feel a failure as a parent if my children didn't understand the above by the time they were ten years old. I'd feel as if I'd done something terribly wrong to leave them with such a narrow, naïve vision of how life actually works, and the patently false information that just because they think one way, means anyone else thinks the same way.

Maybe these are things you only learn when you go through 50 years of a hard life. I suppose being young and having worries at the top of your life list like "I need a FFXIV DPS meter," just aren't conducive to life lessons. But, then again, I understood this stuff when I was very, very young. Single-digit-age.

/shrug

Your position in aggro will tell you where you stand against other players, more or less. DPS meters just give you specifics so you can play a damage minigame with other players.

If I'm higher than you (WHM) and Im not spamming cures, something is wrong.