Do devs post on the English forum?

I clicked the dev tracker up top, and it seems there’s a lot of communication in German, responses to player questions and not just announcements.

Do they ever do that here?

No.
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The last time I can remember is them letting us know they were nerfing "In from the cold" on Endwalker release.

Kupo <3 honestly can you blame them kupo? lol

Nope and I don't blame them looking at sum of stuff that gets posted on here although they should at least try to get rid of sum stuff that has nothing to do with the game or lock threads that get derailed heavily.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo <3 honestly can you blame them kupo? lol

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Nope I cannot, lmao.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo <3 honestly can you blame them kupo? lol

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It's sad to see the community begging the devs to post
Back in the day, devs used to post often and had a respectful behavior towards their clients

Now we pay to be ignored or despised, I don't forget Yoshi's remark that he was disappointed by the behavior of some players, he thinks we are children, it's just shocking

But no one says anything and worse some people love it so in a way you are right Doc.

i wish, lmfao

Sometimes I do wish they were a little more transparent with us, but given the variety of threads we see daily, yeah I don't blame them.

It's better that they don't get involved directly for their mental health.

The german ones aren't devs, btw, it's the german FF XIV community rep. They only reply more because we complained a lot about the community reps being kinda invisible.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo <3 honestly can you blame them kupo? lol

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Wait, you were a Roe under the mask all this time?

I mean, I guess I just never really thought about it, but it still seems weird for some reason.

Nope. Or are we talking about the community reps? Cause that's a sometimes. I also wouldn’t want to. At least not with how the NA forums can look like a dumpster fire inside a Tornado.

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Originally Posted by HanWenqing

It's sad to see the community begging the devs to post
Back in the day, devs used to post often and had a respectful behavior towards their clients

Now we pay to be ignored or despised, I don't forget Yoshi's remark that he was disappointed by the behavior of some players, he thinks we are children, it's just shocking

But no one says anything and worse some people love it so in a way you are right Doc.

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You are so full of it. Most of the devs aren't even fluent in English.

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Originally Posted by flowerfairy

Sometimes I do wish they were a little more transparent with us, but given the variety of threads we see daily, yeah I don't blame them.

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I feel like the state of the forums is an effect, rather than cause, of not being visited by people who are responsible for the game and care about building the community.

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I feel like the state of the forums is an effect, rather than cause, of not being visited by people who are responsible for the game and care about building the community.

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That's possibly the case. The lack of dialogue with anyone at SE makes people think the suggestions and requests here are falling on deaf ears and they feel like shitposting more than talking normally.
Naturally in that case you end up with endless bait threads and shitposts back and forth because they think SE doesn't read any EN feedback and just caters to JP.

Sorry, JP ONLY get responses. Small indie dev company cannot afford english dev coordinators.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo <3 honestly can you blame them kupo? lol

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nope

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well its time to leave this dumpster fire of a topic good luck with that.

Nope they only listen to the japanese player base. Even when there might be japanese players on NA and EU servers.

Yeah... whilst I do think we should get more Mods, I cannot blame the Devs for advoiding this place haha.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

Wait, you were a Roe under the mask all this time?

I mean, I guess I just never really thought about it, but it still seems weird for some reason.

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Random note, its the same with real Moggles too... do not ask how I found out, I still have nightmares...

Koji Fox should post here just to share FFXIV memes.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Nope they only listen to the japanese player base. Even when there might be japanese players on NA and EU servers.

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They do look at what the english speakers have to say and Yoshi has even asked content creators to look at providing some translation to help things along. He's also asked that people remember these are humans just doing their jobs, so it's better to be polite than belligerent. As the old saying goes, you get more flies with honey. Sadly, people have trouble coming together and actually putting cohesive thoughts together for the devs to see. The west only knows how to bicker and lie.

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Originally Posted by hynaku

Nope they only listen to the japanese player base.

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This pretty much.
I don't care if a dev posts directly here or not but it would be nice to get some transparency on how the feedback between Japan and western territories works (because it must exist... right?)

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Originally Posted by Cach

This pretty much.
I don't care if a dev posts directly here or not but it would be nice to get some transparency on how the feedback between Japan and western territories works (because it must exist... right?)

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I mean, supposedly, the reason Reaper exists is because Western fans wanted a scythe job. Yoshida's reveal for Reaper had him go kind of awkwardly around the subject like "did we do it right? Because the Japanese people didn't really mention this". But that's "supposedly", and I don't personally know if Japan's playerbase contributed.

But quite a lot of things are mentioned in the western forums that they should at least pay attention to a bit. Especially if it's feedback they want. I don't think we outnumber the JP playerbase itself, but considering we're meant to be the "global" community, lack of transparency doesn't shine a good light on them and their product.

My assumption is there is more of an issue with how feedback is aggregated for the global community side. I always get the feeling the folks who collect and compile feedback here just aren't telling the dev team the things they need to hear.

Kind of falls in line with the non-existent moderation that goes on here too imo.

I think basically nobody in SE North America (or wherever) reads anything here, so it never gets to the people who can do anything about it. If you look at some of YoshiP's interactions with the EU and NA playerbase at the older in-person fanfests, it's really obvious some things that were talked about all the time here just never made it to the devs for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Arzalis

My assumption is there is more of an issue with how feedback is aggregated for the global community side. I always get the feeling the folks who collect and compile feedback here just aren't telling the dev team the things they need to hear.

Kind of falls in line with the non-existent moderation that goes on here too imo.

I think basically nobody in SE North America (or wherever) reads anything here, so it never gets to the people who can do anything about it. If you look at some of YoshiP's interactions with the EU and NA playerbase at the older in-person fanfests, it's really obvious some things that were talked about all the time here just never made it to the devs for some reason.

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Considering NA side thinks this is much preferred to this, it's not that hard to assume that's exactly what's going on. I pray we don't devolve into a Nintendo Treehouse situation. At the very least, if it is then the fallout will be pretty funny. lol

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Originally Posted by HanWenqing

It's sad to see the community begging the devs to post
Back in the day, devs used to post often and had a respectful behavior towards their clients

Now we pay to be ignored or despised, I don't forget Yoshi's remark that he was disappointed by the behavior of some players, he thinks we are children, it's just shocking

But no one says anything and worse some people love it so in a way you are right Doc.

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Devs never posted on the forums. Community managers did. They got bullied and attacked anytime something was posted that the community disagreed with, so they don't post here anymore. Don't blame them either, the forum community as a whole are trolls.

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Originally Posted by Doc_Seraph

Kupo <3 honestly can you blame them kupo? lol

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WHO ATE THE MOOGLE?!

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I feel like the state of the forums is an effect, rather than cause, of not being visited by people who are responsible for the game and care about building the community.

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this is how i feel as well. from the very start the communications on the english side has always been bad. we'd get breadcrumbs if anything.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

this is how i feel as well. from the very start the communications on the english side has always been bad. we'd get breadcrumbs if anything.

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That's not true. The Letter of the Producer was created purely to bridge the communication gap between the devs and us. The dev team before Yoshi didn't tell us -anything.- Yoshi invented the Live letters, the Letter of the Producer, and added Q/A for us to send in our questions.

We've never just been given breadcrumbs and we aren't being given breadcrumbs now. He gives 5hr+ live video detailing what they're doing. It's posted on the forums and the ENG website every time.

I'm totally down to criticize the dev team to improve them, but this isn't true at all.

Unless I'm getting confused with what you mean by communications and breadcrumbs.

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

That's not true. The Letter of the Producer was created purely to bridge the communication gap between the devs and us. The dev team before Yoshi didn't tell us -anything.- Yoshi invented the Live letters, the Letter of the Producer, and added Q/A for us to send in our questions.

We've never just been given breadcrumbs and we aren't being given breadcrumbs now. He gives 5hr+ live video detailing what they're doing. It's posted on the forums and the ENG website every time.

I'm totally down to criticize the dev team to improve them, but this isn't true at all.

Unless I'm getting confused with what you mean by communications and breadcrumbs.

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from your last post that you deleted, it sounds like you are not "down to criticize" them tbh. while i don't think it's as dramatic as a lot of people are making it out to be, im talking strictly the forums (as this thread is about). yes, they communicate through live letters in a way, the complaint was that they rarely answer questions or build a community in the forums. and i agree'd with the poster i quoted. i feel like the forums have fallen into what they are simply because there isnt a team to help build the community. we get trolls who aren't removed, we get confused players asking questions and rely on the community to give unofficial answers. i remember when there was a time the GMs kept moving troubleshooting threads and just dumping them in the general board and we had to help the players ourselves.

so yeah, i think its true. you are free to believe otherwise though.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

He's also asked that people remember these are humans just doing their jobs, so it's better to be polite than belligerent. As the old saying goes, you get more flies with honey. Sadly, people have trouble coming together and actually putting cohesive thoughts together for the devs to see. The west only knows how to bicker and lie.

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Except his message was directed to JP community. Get you facts right you clown.

You act like the east isn't as toxic as west lol. Must be nice being that delusional.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

from your last post that you deleted, it sounds like you are not "down to criticize" them tbh. while i don't think it's as dramatic as a lot of people are making it out to be, im talking strictly the forums (as this thread is about). yes, they communicate through live letters in a way, the complaint was that they rarely answer questions or build a community in the forums. and i agree'd with the poster i quoted. i feel like the forums have fallen into what they are simply because there isnt a team to help build the community. we get trolls who aren't removed, we get confused players asking questions and rely on the community to give unofficial answers. i remember when there was a time the GMs kept moving troubleshooting threads and just dumping them in the general board and we had to help the players ourselves.

so yeah, i think its true. you are free to believe otherwise though.

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I deleted the post because everything I said was already mentioned many times throughout this thread / forum. Like I said in the previous post though - housing should be improved, the gear is distracting, and whatever else I said that's been said ad nauseum - criticism.

And I still don't understand how live letters can be seen as communication "in a way." They literally detail everything in a very transparent manner from a dev perspective. That's what I thought this thread was about - DEVELOPERS posting in the forum, not community managers. It's not the job of the developers to manage this forum. This forum isn't even ran directly by the developers from what I've gathered over the years - please correct me if I'm wrong.

I agree that there should be more community managers and moderators posting, but I think there are two issues being complained about here - again correct me if I'm wrong.

Developers are posting on these forums with live letters, Q/A, and the producer letters. Insights into gameplay are given through all of those previously mentioned methods. Technical issues are handled with tech support on the SE website.

What sort of communication are you looking for specifically?

The only developers that post in the English forums are from the Localization team in the Localization forum and there are months between that happening, sometimes over a year.

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

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yet you see them posting on EU and JP forums, eh?

the reason i say "in a way" for live letters is because there are usually a lot of unanswered questions. they give us information they want to give - which is understandable don't give me wrong, but sometimes there are questions left unanswered for a long time. job balancing issues, housing issues, server issues, pvp issues (especially in the past) and many more issues that have been or are still currently left unanswered for a long time. im not going to go into details of every little thing that could be communicated. even a simple "we're working on it" would ease the minds of a lot of players.

and when i say breadcrumbs, i mean those very few rare times that the devs (or yoshida himself) have actually posted when it was severe enough.

in conclusion, because i am not trying to argue here, i was just agreeing to the poster i had quoted: those live letters which are, what, a month or months apart, that mostly only details things relating to the next patch... and the Q and A which are cherry picked and avoid questions they want to avoid or have been answered many times before, is a form of communication, but there are a lot of unanswered questions that make players lose faith in the dev team. a simple "we're working on it" instead of waiting half a year before finally releasing information about it.

also, i want to note, i do not dislike this game. i love it and it has its faults, and while i do not think the dev team is ignoring or "despising us" like the other poster, i also think they could be better with their forums. simply put.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

from your last post that you deleted, it sounds like you are not "down to criticize" them tbh. while i don't think it's as dramatic as a lot of people are making it out to be, im talking strictly the forums (as this thread is about). yes, they communicate through live letters in a way, the complaint was that they rarely answer questions or build a community in the forums. and i agree'd with the poster i quoted. i feel like the forums have fallen into what they are simply because there isnt a team to help build the community. we get trolls who aren't removed, we get confused players asking questions and rely on the community to give unofficial answers. i remember when there was a time the GMs kept moving troubleshooting threads and just dumping them in the general board and we had to help the players ourselves.

so yeah, i think its true. you are free to believe otherwise though.

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I agree with both replies. Yoshi P did try to and did listen to the playerbase during the early stages, that much is true. We had developers and GMs posting here, and moderating. At some point it all changed, and it became somewhat clear that you needed to be japanese, or somewhat fluent in japanese to make yourself heard. If the Japanese voice a concern or complaint, it gets addressed much faster.

I'm not sure if this current change has to do with Yoshi P working on 16, or not, but it's clear Yoshi P is getting a bit out of touch with 14's community.

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Originally Posted by LittleArrow

We've never just been given breadcrumbs and we aren't being given breadcrumbs now. He gives 5hr+ live video detailing what they're doing. It's posted on the forums and the ENG website every time.

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And yet a lot of these letters were in Japanese only, and we had to rely on reddit translations, or the summary posted on our website.

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Originally Posted by Zomkei

yet you see them posting on EU and JP forums, eh?

the reason i say "in a way" for live letters is because there are usually a lot of unanswered questions. they give us information they want to give - which is understandable don't give me wrong, but sometimes there are questions left unanswered for a long time. job balancing issues, housing issues, server issues, pvp issues (especially in the past) and many more issues that have been or are still currently left unanswered for a long time. im not going to go into details of every little thing that could be communicated. even a simple "we're working on it" would ease the minds of a lot of players.

and when i say breadcrumbs, i mean those very few rare times that the devs (or yoshida himself) have actually posted when it was severe enough.

in conclusion, because i am not trying to argue here, i was just agreeing to the poster i had quoted: those live letters which are, what, a month or months apart, that mostly only details things relating to the next patch... and the Q and A which are cherry picked and avoid questions they want to avoid or have been answered many times before, is a form of communication, but there are a lot of unanswered questions that make players lose faith in the dev team. a simple "we're working on it" instead of waiting half a year before finally releasing information about it.

also, i want to note, i do not dislike this game. i love it and it has its faults, and while i do not think the dev team is ignoring or "despising us" like the other poster, i also think they could be better with their forums. simply put.

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I hope I'm not sounding like I'm arguing either, and I don't think you are - I'm just really tired of the constant negativity (not saying you're apart of that) and I'm SO confused by what this forum community really wants. I genuinely want clarity, and even though I know you don't represent the entire forum community - you're at least willing to 1. respond and 2. be civil - so thank you.

I guess, to me, it just sounds like people don't like the answers that are given rather than there are no answers given at all - please correct me if I'm wrong on this.

(I'm not trying to pick apart your response, it's totally reasonable, but this is the only specific one I have) The unanswered questions seem very answered to me - the housing issues I've read is there aren't enough houses: the original answer to this were apartments (people didn't like them, and I understand why!), so then the answer was - "we can't we don't have enough server space," so people didn't like that (again, I get it and agree with the criticism) - Yoshi added more wards but not enough and the way to purchase them were garbage; he answered this by saying they're really struggling with servers and they're trying to buy new ones.

I'll just stick with the above example; now, I try to look at this through the lens of "we're not given enough posts on the forums," but what would be posted? The exact information Yoshi has already given and it would just incite a lot of anger and frustration. So I don't see housing being an unanswered issue - it's an ongoing issue for sure, and the community is unhappy with the answers (rightfully so), but the answer was given, many many times.

I honestly have not visited the JP / EU forums, so my view on this is totally limited to what I've experienced here. Could you think of an example of where there was a developer issue and it was answered?

I completely agree with you that this game is great and it isn't perfect. It NEEDS criticism. Just from what I've been reading recently it doesn't seem like there's criticism so much as complaining, and to me those are very different. I don't think you're complaining. I don't think issues being brought up and SE being asked to do better (VIERA / HROTH HATS PLZ?!?!?!) is bad - even harshly criticizing them and pointing out that their responses don't align with what they've said (YOSHI CRITICIZED GENDER-LOCKED RACES IN 1.X BUT IS TOTALLY COOL FOR THEM IN 5.0 ONWARD?!?!?!). I just want to understand these threads better. Thank you for doing that.