sup, I'm Vivian Infinity, mediocre redmage main on aether, the NA fiesta server
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With the hope that this inspires the mentality of this forum to move towards growing and improving as a player, I'll be reviewing the first 10 video recordings of people's games with comments on how they can improve their play.
Bear in mind that my mains in PvP are redmage and bard, and while I have some experience on paladin, warrior, astro, monk, dragoon, reaper, and black mage, I wouldn't call myself exceptionally knowledgeable about these classes, so don't expect too many mechanical tips.
i already regret this
Reviewing up to 10 vods.
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09-12-2022, 05:36 PMVivianInfinityReviewing up to 10 vods.
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09-13-2022, 08:25 AMPetite
Honorable.
The best advice I like to give is to focus on the long term with a mind to find your own flaws and improve upon them. As long as you do that, you're no loser in my eyes.
Alas, most forum posters here are too far gone. It's the job balance and ruleset and idiot teammates' faults exclusively. Good luck!
P.S.: All NA DCs are fiestas. -
09-14-2022, 05:16 AMCidHeiral
Respect for the attempt but nobody is going to take you up on this because it will destroy their "it's everyone else's fault I'm stuck!" narrative.
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09-14-2022, 05:41 AMNikoto
Nice idea but this forum is actually just a wall for us to scream at.
I don't have any vods to share, and I haven't played CC for a hot minute at this point. -
09-14-2022, 06:20 AMTowa-Musa
I would but i can't be bothered enough to run OBS or any other kind of streaming just to have some guy who may or may not have had friends carry them past plat/gold 'review' a vod i made, let alone for a mode that will be dead or dying in 6 months.
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09-14-2022, 01:24 PMVivianInfinity
I cannot recommend Nvidia Shadowplay highly enough. It's nearly instantaneous to set up and records at extremely high quality. I have it set to record the last 10 minutes of games I'm playing with the intent of being able to catch a game where my mistakes are not obvious to me in the hopes that more skilled members of the community can help me improve.
With that said, I'm not exceptional and I fully admit it, but I would hardly consider myself as someone who was "carried to crystal." If anything, a lot of the reason I'm hoping to review some vods is so this game mode that I found surprisingly engaging will live long enough for my "low diamond in Overwatch" ass to not be in the top 100 on any data center.
I'm sure my words aren't really enough to convince you of my skill level, but if it helps, I played in the NA Community Cup as a part of Titan (Unreal); you can judge my (in my opinion, mediocre) play for your own eyes and see if there might be anything to learn. -
09-14-2022, 04:54 PMReinhardt_Azureheim
Ayyo cool thread, I'd love to check out the vods too. ...I wish I could make some myself but right now my PC is a potato nearing the end of life, so can't make my own atm. (Replay system when?)
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09-15-2022, 12:43 AMTowa-Musathanks for the advice on the recording software lol however as for everything else i don't think i need it seeing as im well on my way to having the 'hand of mercy' title, however i think there are people who DO need this advice and are genuinely bad.Quote:
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09-15-2022, 02:04 AMNikotoI wouldn't worry about Towa, they're the PvP forum's little gremlin. They're either the worst player here, a troll, or both.Quote:
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09-15-2022, 04:51 AMTowa-MusaIm sure the huge pile of dead bodies i stand on top of and this nice Field commander coat i have on begs to differ, but you keep telling yourself that you silly little man-child.Quote:
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09-15-2022, 07:36 AMCidHeiral
You could run circles in spawn every game and still get the Field Commander's coat my dude.
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09-16-2022, 02:22 AMTowa-Musalol if it was that easy you would see more people wearing it XDQuote:
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09-16-2022, 03:49 AMnighttimebunny
I would actually do this, I have no idea how I would post it here or record though lol
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09-16-2022, 04:28 AMBRVV
Can i send you a link? I'm not sure if i want a video listed here for everyone to see. I also couldn't figure out how (if possible) i could have removed the names of the other players from the party lists
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09-16-2022, 08:18 AMVivianInfinityLinks are fine; whatever is comfortable.Quote:
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09-16-2022, 08:33 AMVivianInfinityNot for nothing, but you can't dye the Field Commander's coat and I'd personally rather wear... well, the Bozjan Casting coat, but if I was going for this, I'd rather wear the YorHa fending coat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Towa-Musa
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce...ce/shadowplay/ to download shadowplay. I then usually upload the files unlisted to YouTube.Quote:
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09-16-2022, 04:08 PMBRVV
https://youtu.be/DE9-pkdyU3w
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09-16-2022, 04:20 PMnighttimebunnyOkay, I’ll do it soon then, why not :PQuote:
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09-16-2022, 10:43 PMRansuYoutube has a built in blur setting you can use. Takes longer to process the video after you edit it through them, but its a nifty feature.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRVV
It wasn't bad honestly, you just need to change up your decision making a bit. If no ones marking players try to pay attention to who's HP is going down and help focus that player down. As often as possible you want to be attacking the same target as everyone else. You could make a macro utilizing the quick chat that says attacking target and have that macro also mark the player you pinged to help with focus fire. It doesn't always work, but it helps more often than not.Quote:
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Don't be afraid to spam recuperate. You left your HP fairly low quite a bit and even if you're not getting focused at that moment, it doesn't take much to burst you down when your HP is hovering around 50%. Its better to run out of MP than it is to run out of HP. Disengaging and using a potion after you burn you MP is always the better option over dying and dealing with the respawn. Also try to pay attention as much as possible to the kill feed and your player list. If two or 3 people are down you need to disengage immediately and try to avoid allowing them a kill causing a respawn stagger. Its not always possible, especially for a melee, but its something you gotta get a feel for where you know the fight is losing and you need to disengage, especially if you notice a bunch of LB's going off. Though in that 2v1 situation it wasn't really your fault as your ninja teammate completely ignored you and pushed forward for some reason. That's just bad luck honestly and only so much you can do other than hope your guard is off CD and try and disengage.
On that map in particular when you were respawning during the event. If the countdown is low just hang out in the spawn for a bit. You had time to do it. That way you could ignore the wind mechanic since it doesn't throw you in the air if you're in the spawn. On the other time when you were chasing the chocobo circle, just a little tip if you're fighting over it with an enemy do a jump right before the wind goes off. You'll be lifted higher and win out the feathers. If teammates are chasing it kinda keep in mind where your LB bar is vs theirs cuz it does build LB faster. If there's no fight going on and they have low LB just let them have it. You can heal up quickly if you know you'll land in a safe area away from enemies.
As far as samurai goes. The root is great and you made great use of it when they had the crystal at your spawn, but don't be afraid to kaiten kasha into oka. You don't need the root all the time and in fights where there's a clump of players oka is fantastic as it heals you for 100% of the damage you do. Its a great way to save MP from using recuperate. You can get yourself a small heal and deal some aoe damage. Also, don't be afraid to move around more. You tend to stand still a lot which makes it easier focus you. Its hard on this map cuz its so open, but on the other maps don't be afraid to hug corners so you can more easily escape.
I'm not the greatest at giving out pointers, but hope this helps. The OP might be able to give out better pointers given he's a top 100 player. -
09-17-2022, 01:11 AMnighttimebunnyMake sure you use your LB effectively, when you used chiten, no one attacked you (or you used it on the wrong person) Make sure they are attacking you when you have chiten up, that way your LB will be a one hit KO and it will be much more helpful, this is pretty good though just keep playing :DQuote:
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09-17-2022, 03:00 AMBRVV
Thank you 2 for the help! :) Greatly appreciate it. I will try to implement the tipps!
About the LB: Yeah i know it's a kill on enemies with the debuff... i always panic because it charges so slowly and i want to use it so i can hopefully use another one but no one attacks me or they CC me for ages :O Don't really know how to counterplay that basic counterplay ^^ -
09-17-2022, 03:31 AMRansu
I tend to mark samurais with the do not attack marker when I see they have an LB. That said, sam is one of the few jobs where its perfectly ok to hold onto the LB for a bit because it charges so slow you're only ever going to see it once or twice anyways. A lot of sam players panic when a fight is going downward and they try to save it with an LB. It works sometimes, but its not something I would recommend unless you really know you can pull it off. Its best to use it offensively when you're winning the fight cuz you're gonna get more panic attacks from the enemy team who are forced to engage you.
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09-17-2022, 04:56 PMVivianInfinityHeyo! Thanks for submitting a vod; I've been a bit busy until now, so I haven't had a chance to look at it as promptly.Quote:
Originally Posted by BRVV
So far, yeah, I definitely agree with Ransu; one of the biggest things you could be working on is just hitting recuperate more and being more willing to take extended downtime from a fight to drink an elixir. Dying with full mana (or, really, any mana) is dying with 60k healing in your back pocket that you didn't get to use; that's basically a full life bar.
On top of that, however long it takes for you to move to a safe position and potion, it will probably take longer to die, be dead for 10+ seconds, and have to walk back to your team. All the while that you're dead, you're also not building limit break gauge. If there's anything I can give as general advice to all players, it is that if you have used most of your cooldowns and what remains is your basic 1-2-3 filler, you should seriously, seriously consider potting instead.
First, matchups and composition (with no respect to game state).
This matchup is Samurai/Dark Knight/White Mage/ Ninja/Machinist on your team, with Monk/Samurai/Astro/Machinist/Summoner on the other team. As a brief aside, Samurai's Chiten gives 25% damage reduction and Monk has naturally high 60k health pool, Riddle of Earth, and Thunderclap shields. Both also lack substantial non-telegraphed burst beyond their limit breaks, so it's usually better to think of these jobs as "tanks" (or at least bruisers) than it is to think of them as DPS, since both of these classes have a much, much easier time soaking damage than, say, Machinist, who basically has no defensives. This means that you're most useful soaking damage for your team, when possible, and doing the initial damage needed to allow Ninja or Machinist to finish kills.
In a more coordinated team, these matchups will be much more focused on your team doing its best to not clump up too tight while hopefully getting a pick quickly to start the fight off; your team's White Mage, Machinist, and Ninja all excel at single target burst, while theirs is more split damage and focused on AoEs (due to Astro and Summoner), so the best way to deny their win condition is to have both you and the Dark Knight pile onto someone (probably the Monk, who needs to dive in to be effective, although it works to just have it be whoever is easiest), lock them down with your stuns and roots, and get them low enough that your Machinist and Ninja can finish the kill from a distance. -
09-17-2022, 04:57 PMVivianInfinity
Given that this is casual, you can't really expect coordination (or even for your teammates to understand their role on a team); the utility of strictly playing for defensive team play gets a lot lower. But even so, enemy skills do less damage when they're used on you and are less likely to result in a kill, so you're still creating value by eating skills and keeping the enemy from getting their damage to cleave onto your team.
At this point, I want to mention that you can use a macro to indicate that you're going to be attacking someone; this alone can be enormously influential in getting your team to coordinate damage. Here's mine:
Code:/micon "Attacking Target" quickchat
/merror off
/mk off <attack3>
/mk off <attack2>
/mk off <attack1>
/mk off <circle>
/quickchat "Attacking Target" <t>
/marking attack3 <t> <wait.1>
/marking attack2 <attack3> <wait.1>
/marking attack1 <attack2> <wait.1>
/marking circle <attack1> <wait.20>
<wait.20>
<wait.20>
/marking circle <circle>
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09-17-2022, 04:58 PMVivianInfinity
Alright, onto the game.
0:09: Generally, as a "tank," you want to be positioning more aggressively than this; being in a position where the enemy can get to your Machinist and White Mage without first having to contend with you negates a lot of the zoning pressure you could be exerting. I have no idea why your Dark Knight takes so long to move forward, so positioning back makes sense, as you don't have both of you exerting pressure and make it a lot more likely for you to die alone if you don't get support, but something to consider for the future; even if you're positioning back, you still want to stand in front of your Machinist.
0:35: Around this time (a bit before it, actually), your Dark Knight positions to move forward, posturing aggressively. He's almost certainly going to dive in on a target, and you should be there with him to exert bonus pressure. In fact, he manages to get somewhat substantial damage (like 20k or so) onto the enemy Machinist, which might have been more impactful had he not been able to walk to the potion and heal it off immediately. If you're there and you stun him, there's a good chance that's the kill, and not doing this slowly loses you the fight.
0:39: I think you have an opportunity to purify the root the summoner puts on you here. I have no idea if it would be worth it, because I cannot, for the life of me, find your buff and debuff bar. This is critical; you need to be able to tell how long you have left on certain crowd controls, core abilities, if allies have buffed you, so on. Not having that front and center is putting yourself at an enormous disadvantage; I've seen people with PvP specific huds that keep their buffs and debuffs at 200% size near the center (and they're kinda lunatics, but that's just preference).
0:42: Here, you spend about 5 seconds recuperating without hitting a GCD. While the value of optimal weaving is substantially less important in PvP than PvE, you still want to have your GCD timer rolling if you can help it. You basically miss out on, at the very least, a stun -> Midare on the Monk (or something else, I don't know what buttons are ideal for Samurai here). This kind of becomes a recurring pattern; you recuperate without moving towards your target at 0:50 or without an idea of what GCD should be rolling quite a bit. -
09-17-2022, 04:59 PMVivianInfinity
1:35: There is no world where you get this feather; you should 100% just guard the turbulence.
1:42: At this point, your white mage has gotten an enormous laser on 4 members of the enemy team; your goal at this point should be to turn that damage into a kill, and in this case, you can probably get the Machinist, who has limit break up and you want to take out of the fight. I think if you commit onto the Machinist, he dies, and this fight turns conclusively in your favor; at the very least, you should maybe be going for the big AOE damage on the clump of 4 rather than trying to solokill the Astro. It's a slow bleed from here, since their team is able to use most of their limit breaks.
2:50: Your target is guarding while the enemy Astro is in dash range and not; hitting the guard here is wasted damage and time that could be put elsewhere.
3:30: Your White Mage gets a really good Miracle of Nature on your primary target and if you stun right after, you can secure the Samurai kill before he guards with Double Oga (or Midare? I don't know which is better, I don't play Samurai). Either way, you waste a stun on a guard and a faster kill could help you secure the Astro in enough time to start pushing sooner.
3:50: At this point, the enemy team just starts going in 1 at a time onto the 4 of you with no real options to secure any kills; this is an enormous misplay on their part, and they should just be falling back to regroup. This isn't something you did, but I want to point it out because this pattern of always wanting to be on the crystal is often wrong; while ignoring the checkpoint is wrong, so is grouping up tightly (or worse, one after another) to stay on a point, not achieving anything other than making it easy for the enemy team to get value out of their AoE abilities.
From there on, the game's going pretty much in your favor, but you need to keep a person on the point at all times. As one of the frontliners, that's probably your job. Honestly, the overtime mechanics in this game (and how overtime doesn't trigger if nobody is on the crystal in the last overtime tick) is kind of dumb, but you have to play around it.
Overall, biggest points to improve upon are 1, not hitting people in guard with core abilities, 2, keeping your GCD rolling and continuing to move while you're recuperating, and 3, initial target selection to make sure your damage is going on the same target as the rest of your team.
Hopefully this gives you something to work on, and hopefully this was helpful! -
09-19-2022, 09:10 AMnighttimebunny
alright, finally got around to taking one, sorry for poor quality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whK-UrNG_no
I know I did pretty bad and those deaths were avoidable but hey that's what this is for right? xD -
09-19-2022, 04:12 PMVivianInfinityHey, Seraph! Thanks for submitting this; I'll try to get to it tomorrow or the day after (been a bit nauseous today).Quote:
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09-21-2022, 05:50 PMVivianInfinity
Heyo! Sorry this took so long; I've been pretty out of it for a couple days now.
Alright, let's jump right into it, same structure with less setup.
The matchup is Dragoon/Machinist/Sage/Ninja/White Mage versus Red Mage/Ninja/White Mage/Gunbreaker/Machinist. On composition alone, this seems like it's going to be a rough matchup, since while your team does have two melee jobs, neither of them are especially tanky, as Dragoon's most important damage modifier also makes it take substantially increased damage. This is prime material for the enemy Red Mage to make work of your team, who has high burst damage and a (marginally) tankier front line on account of having a Gunbreaker.
In organized games, I'd probably consider this lost at draft, but this isn't a tournament; it's low platinum, where the single most important determining factor isn't composition but instead synchronization of damage and avoiding getting caught out of position. Based on the compositions, you're probably looking to wait for their team to make a mistake rather than for your team to engage; first Miracle of Nature on a priority target probably wins. To me, this means playing a little bit back on the opener and playing spread enough that the most notable cleave, Red Mage's Resolution, doesn't hit multiple members to force cleanses.
On to the game.
1:15: I'm gonna be honest, I feel like this engage is pretty bad on the Ninja's part. However, it is extremely telegraphed for both you and the enemy team; as soon as your Ninja dashes forward in stealth, the only way out is by getting a kill, and you need to be there to help him stay alive. In this case, the enemy team takes substantially longer to kill him for going invisible and charging into the enemy team than they should have and the enemy Machinist takes pretty notable damage before they're is able to respond. At this point, you have to commit; you take too long to follow up on this engage, and had you committed as much burst as possible, it's likely your team would have won this fight and your Ninja would not have died. This is a slow reaction on your part (nearly 7 seconds).
The typical dragoon burst is Elusive Jump, Geirskogul -> Wyrmwind Thrust -> High Jump -> Heavens' Thrust -> Nastrond, although due to how Nastrong removes both your damage taken and dealt, it's very situational when you should use it. I'm by no means a Dragoon main and can't give specific heuristics for it, but generally, you want to prioritize staying alive on Dragoon, even if it means losing some theoretical damage optimality. -
09-21-2022, 05:51 PMVivianInfinity
From here on, this first engage is noted by you simply pressing buttons whenever available; you Horrid Roar two targets that are not attacking you and are pulling back, then Nastrond a relatively healthy White Mage before using Heavens' Thrust while unpressured, then swap targets to an also full-health Ninja. You then slowly walk towards the (still full health) White Mage, backflip out once you're in danger (but not far enough to get back to behind your team), and then use a Wyrmwind Thrust, the highest damage ability on your kit, into a target at melee range that is guarding with no one behind them. None of this damage is being directed in a way that can secure a kill, and even if it was, simple button order means you lost quite a bit of damage.
As a Dragoon, since nearly all of your damage is on your cooldown-oriented abilities, you need to make sure that when you hit an ability, it's getting as much value as possible; your 1-2-3 combo does basically nothing. That means securing a kill if it's available, that means hitting as many people with your multi-target Wyrmwind Thrust and Geirskogul (if reasonable), that means making sure the damage adds up onto the same target to execute when appropriate, and that (usually) means not trading your life to do it; since Dragoon's damage is so high, a 1 for 1 trade is usually not in your favor. Again, a better Dragoon player could give you more specific advice on what buttons to hit where, but the heuristic is universal; use cooldowns for specific reasons; do not just hit buttons because they're available. This is true across the board for every job but this is especially true for Dragoon; "always be casting" is basically the law for PvE but terrible advice for PvP.
All the while this is happening, from 1:33 onward, you are at half health, easily within burst range for even incidental damage. You're also taking focus fire from the enemy team; the play is to guard, and you do it too late, having eaten nearly 30k damage before you guard. The reaction time on this isn't something I can really give advice for, but it's just too slow, and it's difficult for me to feel like positioning advice is going to make a big impact when this part seems so much more egregious.
I brought this up earlier, but I want to come back to you walking forward at the White Mage. By this point, you have used every cooldown you have; there are no abilities you can hit the White Mage with that will secure this kill or even leave notable damage, and you have walked so deep into the enemy zone of control that I do not think a competent team lets you live regardless of how fast you hit guard or how well you play this escape. You are out of resources by this point, and you need to leave; as a rule for squishy dive classes, you should always have an escape plan for if an engage goes wrong, and if you do not, you should almost always wait until you do. -
09-21-2022, 05:52 PMVivianInfinity
2:28: I'm mostly going to skip past this fight, but as a small reminder, WWT does more damage the further you are from a player. If you have it up, you should back up to get value, then dash back in with High Jump to get back in melee range. There are honestly a lot of mistakes in this fight, but this fight is incredibly sloppy on everybody's part. You probably know this, but as a heuristic, if you're low and going to elixir, it's probably a good idea to just take the potion on the ground before you get poked and denied by an enemy team member that can do that. Honestly, I think potioning here, even with your health this low, is incorrect; your team has a numbers advantage, your team has limit breaks up, the enemy team is relatively low, and you get limit break at a prime time to do substantial damage to the 3 on the point. Remember, Sky Shatter gives you a 25% max health shield, and if you really need to, your Chaotic Spring will probably be off cooldown when you land.
3:28: Turbulence happens around this time, and this means a couple things; either the enemy has just taken 30k damage, or the enemy no longer has guard. This is the single best time for a Dragoon to limit break, and every time you are on Cloud 9, you should be thinking about whether or not this is an option. While you do eventually limit break, you do it slowly, you do it late into turbulence (i.e. closer to when guard comes back up), and you do it in full view of 5 members who have already signaled that they want to kill you. Generally, if possible, you want to use Sky Shatter when the enemy isn't paying attention to you.
4:54: This positioning, where you walk up into the enemy spawn and around the corner away from the support of your team, in order to melee range WWT, should have killed you way sooner than it did; you are so far beyond your team's ability to help you when you move around the corner near the end point that you are essentially 1v5. The only reason this didn't immediately lose you the fight is because your Ninja did the same thing 10 seconds earlier and already lost it for you. Try to be mindful of where your team is positioned and if you are putting yourself in immediate danger.
5:51: Bluntly, you should have lost the game off this play alone; you dive in 1v5 without having gotten your limit break off and so far from a position where your team is available to support you that you basically immediately make the fight a 4v5 having contributed almost no value whatsoever. You should probably wait for your White Mage to limit break first to utilize the space that the AoE stun provides to make this play safer.
for what it's worth, i am also guilty of doing this, and i have lost so, so many games from doing this exact dive (to the people in revival reading this, please understand) -
09-21-2022, 05:52 PMVivianInfinity
In summary, things you should probably be thinking about going forward, in order of importance:
1. Position less aggressively and be mindful of when you walk into a position where your team cannot help you.
2. Make sure you're using cooldowns with an objective in mind, be it to kill or to get max value with a cleave.
3. Have an escape plan ready when you engage, and be ready for when the enemy turns.
4. Recoup faster, guard faster.
I hope I don't sound like I'm being too harsh, so please tell me if I am, but considering that you are able to create value for your team even with notable mistakes, fixing points 1 and 2 alone probably push you to low Diamond on Aether. You've got this; keep at it. -
09-21-2022, 10:35 PMRansu
Just a tip Vivian. You can edit your posts to get around the text limit on posts. That way you won't have to waste your daily post limit on multiple posts.
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09-21-2022, 10:41 PMVivianInfinityare you forrealQuote:
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09-21-2022, 11:24 PMnighttimebunnyNot too harsh at all, it’s really helpful! I actually did manage to get to diamond because I was playing way better for a bit, but I’ve dropped off a lot for some reason so I’m really inconsistent lol. The video I showed was when Istarted playing admittedly worse (idk, probably a personal issue) so your tips help a lot! I feel like it was kind of a weird match too but I thought one where I made a lot of mistakes would be good to show.thanks!! (If no one else submits vods I would be down to submit more eventually lol)Quote:
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09-25-2022, 01:45 PMVivianInfinityFeel free! I'm trying my best to make all the reviews as universally applicable as possible, so no worries if you submit multiple. That said, each one takes me like an hour, so if someone else submits one before I get to yours, I'll probably do theirs first.Quote:
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Seems like the pace is slowing down regardless, so if you've got another, I'm willing to take a look. ^^ -
09-25-2022, 02:16 PMnighttimebunnyokay! I took a break this week because I played a lot the last week and probably burned myself out (literally my first week trying out/playing ranked :,) lol so any advice is super helpful!) I will probably start it up again soon and try to take a better vod but I’ve been playing some casual just to work on my reaction time/positioning, and trying to make sure I get 0 deaths :p there are some fun matches to be had there too hahaQuote:
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