Warrior of Darkness (HW)

I'm watching a letsplay that's working through the back half of HeavensWard, and it reminded me.

The Warrior of Darkness, and his companions, a rogadin, a lalafel, and an elizen.

The flashback shows them intending to drive the Ascians from thier world....

of course they failed, or they wouldn't be on the source, doing what they did.


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Did we ever find out WHAT world they were from?

Um, play through Shadowbringers's main scenario... that will answer your question (but the short of it,

they're from the First, the setting of ShB.

Seeing as you have a level 90 character... did you already finish the MSQ or did you skip it? If not, which point are you at? Because it is explained rather thoroughly.

Just keep watching or playing. You will find out

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Originally Posted by RicaRuin

Seeing as you have a level 90 character... did you already finish the MSQ or did you skip it? If not, which point are you at? Because it is explained rather thoroughly.

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Multiple level 90 jobs for the character

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Um, play through Shadowbringers's main scenario... that will answer your question (but the short of it,

they're from the First, the setting of ShB.

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You think the ones we met, and defeated in heavensward are the same ones as from the first?

There's some superficial resemblance, but I'm not entirely sure that holds up.

Encyclopedia eorzea page 214

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View image and make it bigger and read the first four words under where it says On The Warriors of Darkness

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

You think the ones we met, and defeated in heavensward are the same ones as from the first?

There's some superficial resemblance, but I'm not entirely sure that holds up.

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ardbert literally talks about being tricked by the ascians into trying to kill us and we see him returning to the first with minfillia to stop the flood of light.

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Originally Posted by sidurgu-12

ardbert literally talks about being tricked by the ascians into trying to kill us and we see him returning to the first with minfillia to stop the flood of light.

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This too we see the minfillia bit when we are traveling to the first he says a lot of the other parts when we first get to the inn room...

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

You think the ones we met, and defeated in heavensward are the same ones as from the first?

There's some superficial resemblance, but I'm not entirely sure that holds up.

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Rannie posted from the lore book, but they're the exact same ones. During one of the first scenes in 3.4

Arbert straight up says they're from the First in the quest Shadows of the First, after defeating Garuda in Xelphatol:

"Warrior of Darkness
Should I explain it to you? Very well. Consider it a reward of sorts for beating us here.

You know the tale of Hydaelyn and Zodiark, I take it. Of the great sundering, and the reflections it created?

Alphinaud
Across ten and three they were divided. Reflections of the Source, each possessed of shards of Light and Dark...

Warrior of Darkness
Just so. One of those reflections─the one nearest to the Source─is our home. And we were the heroes blessed with Her Light.

But not all worlds hold Light and Dark in equal measure. In ours, the power of Light was greater by far.

So the Ascians who once threatened our home were no match, and they fell before us, one after another, till none were left. Victory, we thought...

...And then came the Light─a flood of pure, blinding radiance, annihilating shadow and color and life itself. Ere long, it will consume our world, leaving naught in its wake but blank perfection."

One of the final scenes he tells us that they fought and fought and fought until there was no darkness left:

"We fought and we fought and we fought...until there was no one left to fight. We won...and now our world is being erased from existence.

We did everything right, everything that was asked of us, and still─still it came to this!

You of all people should understand! We cannot─we will not falter. We brought our world to the brink of destruction, and now we must save it."

In one of the next scenes, that's when Minfilia, as the Word of the Mother/Hydaelyn, says she'll travel with their souls back to the First to stop the Flood of Light:

"Minfilia
Blessed children of the First. The light of your world hath grown blinding in its radiance, but it is not yet absolute.

I will hie me to your world and there take unto myself the Light which riseth even now to drown it, as Darkness once did drown another."

Further from that, once you're in Shadowbringers,

Ardbert recognizes you and reintroduces himself as Ardbert. iirc it's a dialogue choice with your WoL, but you question his name and he says that they all used names that were used on the Source as opposed to their true names from the First to blend in, and that his name wasn't very creative since he just dropped the 'd' from his name and nothing else. The other choice confirms that he is one and the same:

???
...You...?
I know you... You're the Warrior of Light from the Source!

What will you say?

The Warrior of Darkness...?

???
What? Did you just... You can hear me!?
Oh, gods, how long has it been...?

...Aye...aye, that was what I called myself in your world... The “Warrior of Darkness.”

My real name is Ardbert. I used an alias in the Source. A daft one, looking back...

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And who are you?

???
What? Did you just... You can hear me!?
Oh, gods, how long has it been...?

...“And who are you?” she says. An enemy not worth remembering, apparently...

My name is Ardbert. In the First, I was a Warrior of Light, but in the Source you knew me as the Warrior of Darkness.

Ardbert
If you recall my tale, it was my comrades and I who caused the Flood.
We thought our home doomed. And so we listened to the Ascians─let them guide us to the Source, and tried to hasten their godsdamned Ardor.

I remember when we fell, defeated by you and yours. I remember our audience with Minfilia─how she listened to our pleas, and returned our souls to the First.

The Warriors of Darkness were modeled after Derplander (the midlander WoL we see in cutscenes) and his original party from the 1.0/End of an Era (Answers) cutscenes- his canon name is Meteor- for the sole purpose of having a nice, familiar feeling when seeing them, to be a mirror to the WoL stand-in for FMVs and promotional videos, and the designs were deliberate. It was a nice touch.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

You think the ones we met, and defeated in heavensward are the same ones as from the first?

There's some superficial resemblance, but I'm not entirely sure that holds up.

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Ardbert literally says it in as many words. There's no "superficial resemblance", it's literally in black and white.

I... don't know what to make of this thread...
Tell me you don't pay attention to the story without telling me you don't pay attention to the story lol...

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Originally Posted by Kazemon15

I... don't know what to make of this thread...
Tell me you don't pay attention to the story without telling me you don't pay attention to the story lol...

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Given this guy's previous posts in the lore subforum, I'm in that field of 'I can't believe this person is serious, because if they are serious then they are astoundingly bad at reading comprehension'.

Not getting that Ardbert's group are from the First... that requires either completely missing, misunderstanding, or outright not believing all following facts:

1. Ardbert outright saying they were from the First after Xelphatol,
2. Ardbert himself reappearing in the First, connecting with you on that previous contact, and on recognizable things you encounter like Seto,
3. The Cardinal Virtues in your role quests of choice all being connected to Ardbert and being identical to the Warriors of Darkness,
4. The actual cutscene in Amh Araeng showing a flashback to Minfilia teleporting the crew back to the First to stop the Flood at Nabaath Araeng,
5. That final button at the end of Shadowbringers showing them reuniting as ghosts.

Missing one or two of those I understand; I admit I did forget that first speech until I started recording cutscenes for use in videos, and I literally just now had to check if that Amh Araeng cutscene existed because I wasn't sure I didn't somehow imagine it.

But missing every single one of those? That would require missing entire story arcs and extremely iconic scenes; theoretically you could do that by story and level skipping, but if you did that, you wouldn't have known about their 3.x story arc, surely. And I just checked his Lodestone page and I see he owns things he wouldn't have if he completely skipped Shadowbringers, like the ShB collectors' edition mount and the wind-up G'raha Tia.

This guy has to be trolling with stupid questions, because I actually can't imagine a situation where someone seriously has them.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Given this guy's previous posts in the lore subforum, I'm in that field of 'I can't believe this person is serious, because if they are serious then they are astoundingly bad at reading comprehension'.

Not getting that Ardbert's group are from the First... that requires either completely missing, misunderstanding, or outright not believing all following facts:

1. Ardbert outright saying they were from the First after Xelphatol,
2. Ardbert himself reappearing in the First, connecting with you on that previous contact, and on recognizable things you encounter like Seto,
3. The Cardinal Virtues in your role quests of choice all being connected to Ardbert and being identical to the Warriors of Darkness,
4. The actual cutscene in Amh Araeng showing a flashback to Minfilia teleporting the crew back to the First to stop the Flood at Nabaath Araeng,
5. That final button at the end of Shadowbringers showing them reuniting as ghosts.

Missing one or two of those I understand; I admit I did forget that first speech until I started recording cutscenes for use in videos, and I literally just now had to check if that Amh Araeng cutscene existed because I wasn't sure I didn't somehow imagine it.

But missing every single one of those? That would require missing entire story arcs and extremely iconic scenes; theoretically you could do that by story and level skipping, but if you did that, you wouldn't have known about their 3.x story arc, surely. And I just checked his Lodestone page and I see he owns things he wouldn't have if he completely skipped Shadowbringers, like the ShB collectors' edition mount and the wind-up G'raha Tia.

This guy has to be trolling with stupid questions, because I actually can't imagine a situation where someone seriously has them.

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yeah at this point (as much as i don't like calling someone this) i think hes just trolling.

To play devil's advocate, there are lots of people who have no idea what is going on in the story, and just play it for the actual mechanical content like raids and such. They skip every cs and mash through text.

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Originally Posted by Rannie

Encyclopedia eorzea page 214

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fbj2gHHX...jpg&name=large

View image and make it bigger and read the first four words under where it says On The Warriors of Darkness

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Cool, lorebook, that answers that for me, thanks.

(and it's not that I simply hammered through, it's that it was rather a while ago and I'm forgetful in my old age. Thanks for those who actually answered, and didn't dismiss an old man because old)

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

Not getting that Ardbert's group are from the First... that requires either completely missing, misunderstanding, or outright not believing all following facts:

1. Ardbert outright saying they were from the First after Xelphatol,
2. Ardbert himself reappearing in the First, connecting with you on that previous contact, and on recognizable things you encounter like Seto,
3. The Cardinal Virtues in your role quests of choice all being connected to Ardbert and being identical to the Warriors of Darkness,
4. The actual cutscene in Amh Araeng showing a flashback to Minfilia teleporting the crew back to the First to stop the Flood at Nabaath Araeng,
5. That final button at the end of Shadowbringers showing them reuniting as ghosts.

Missing one or two of those I understand; I admit I did forget that first speech until I started recording cutscenes for use in videos, and I literally just now had to check if that Amh Araeng cutscene existed because I wasn't sure I didn't somehow imagine it.

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Points 3, 4, and 5 don't actually connect, if you've forgotten 1 and 2.

So, no, I didn't miss 3, 4, and 5. Those make a lovely self contained story about the warriors in the first, but don't actually explain anything about them being on the source. The playthrough I'm watching hasn't yet DONE Xelphatol, so it's just been years since I've seen that and forgot it.

As for #2, I guess I just didn't read it that way. I took it as he seemed familiar because he's a part of the combined warrior of light. It completely didn't click.


So yha, not trolling, just old.

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Originally Posted by WellGramarye

To play devil's advocate, there are lots of people who have no idea what is going on in the story, and just play it for the actual mechanical content like raids and such. They skip every cs and mash through text.

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If they skip through story and wonder about things...then please let them use New Game Plus to experience this instead of asking questions answered by just watching the story.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

Cool, lorebook, that answers that for me, thanks.

(and it's not that I simply hammered through, it's that it was rather a while ago and I'm forgetful in my old age. Thanks for those who actually answered, and didn't dismiss an old man because old)



Points 3, 4, and 5 don't actually connect, if you've forgotten 1 and 2.

So, no, I didn't miss 3, 4, and 5. Those make a lovely self contained story about the warriors in the first, but don't actually explain anything about them being on the source. The playthrough I'm watching hasn't yet DONE Xelphatol, so it's just been years since I've seen that and forgot it.

As for #2, I guess I just didn't read it that way. I took it as he seemed familiar because he's a part of the combined warrior of light. It completely didn't click.


So yha, not trolling, just old.

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CRS (Can't remember shit) is a terrible thing one comes across in old age. As I slowly creep up in the years myself I find I sometimes have that issue. S'all good. Btw if needs be the xephatol, one life for one world and the rest are rewatchable cutscenes with the Unending Journey in the inns or if you have it as a furniture item ^_^.