Please add interface support for Nintendo layout controllers

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08-18-2022, 07:00 AM
Biggle

Please add interface support for Nintendo layout controllers

The Nintendo Switch is the currently most popular gaming console in Japan and North America by far.

Many players want to enjoy the game on PC using a controller that they already have.

We already have support for both Playstation and XBox style button layouts, but not for Nintendo style.

On a Switch controller the locations of the A and B, as well as the X and Y buttons are swapped. Furthermore the names of the trigger buttons are different.

https://i.imgur.com/Lc4sIrN.png

Currently Switch controller users either have to deal with a mismatch in the buttons they press and the letters of the buttons on screen, or with a mismatch in the location of their cross-hotbar actions. Neither of these are ideal, they are annoying and lead to a bad play experience.

https://i.imgur.com/mpwrbXe.png

The Switch pro-controller has been a great option for PC users in many other games for 5 years now, but Square Enix has yet to add such a simple UI change. Why? Isn't it time?
08-18-2022, 12:34 PM
Rilpo

+1. Seems like a huge oversight by devs
08-18-2022, 12:36 PM
Mephyk

Good idea, I'm not sure why the Nintendo controller layout goes ignored so often by game devs in general. Would be really nice to see.
08-18-2022, 08:11 PM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

Nintendo Switch port incoming.
08-19-2022, 04:41 AM
Biggle

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

Nintendo Switch port incoming.

Sadly instead of graphical enhancements in 7.0, they would have to focus on graphical downgrades for that.
But, a Switch port is obviously not what I'm asking for, just conveniently using the controller on PC.
08-19-2022, 02:52 PM
Stepjam

I feel like there'd possibly be a legal issue with that? Or at least a branding issue. Xbox buttons are available since it's on PC and I don't believe playstation controllers worked natively with the game until DS4, so xbox controllers were more commonly used.
08-19-2022, 05:53 PM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

I feel like there'd possibly be a legal issue with that? Or at least a branding issue. Xbox buttons are available since it's on PC and I don't believe playstation controllers worked natively with the game until DS4, so xbox controllers were more commonly used.

Does Nintendo actually own a white-on-black button layout for D-Pad and the ABXY keys? Like in the arrangement they currently use it?
08-20-2022, 01:02 AM
Biggle

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Originally Posted by Stepjam

I feel like there'd possibly be a legal issue with that? Or at least a branding issue. Xbox buttons are available since it's on PC and I don't believe playstation controllers worked natively with the game until DS4, so xbox controllers were more commonly used.

Steam controller config specifically mentions Nintendo controllers, refers to its branding what with Joy Cons, etc. etc. Simply referring to another company doesn't violate any IP rights

https://i.imgur.com/KAckBV0.png

If all of this is fine and good for steam, Squenix would be perfectly within their rights to do what i suggested
08-24-2022, 09:53 AM
BabaM

I use a switch pro on my PC as well, its a great controller and a lot of games support it even if they were never released on a Nintendo console. Thankfully Steam makes it easy to use in games that aren't compatible but you still have to remember that all the buttons are flipped on the UI.
08-24-2022, 09:56 AM
Caitlinzulu

Why not do the calibration of the controller in ffxiv so it matches the on screen crosshotbar?
I am seriously puzzled by it
08-29-2022, 07:17 PM
Biggle

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

Why not do the calibration of the controller in ffxiv so it matches the on screen crosshotbar?
I am seriously puzzled by it

I don't understand your post
08-29-2022, 07:19 PM
Biggle

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Originally Posted by BabaM

I use a switch pro on my PC as well, its a great controller and a lot of games support it even if they were never released on a Nintendo console. Thankfully Steam makes it easy to use in games that aren't compatible but you still have to remember that all the buttons are flipped on the UI.

I just can't into the buttons being flipped, it trips me up. which is why i made this post
09-17-2022, 09:56 AM
Biggle

Anyone wish they could use the new limited edition Splatoon 3 controller for FFXIV? Splatoon 3 is one of the fastest selling games of all time. Millions of people now have Switch controllers, imagine how many would like to use it here with a working UI.
09-17-2022, 11:59 AM
Biggle

The Switch controller works perfectly fine through steam or through betterjoy or what have you. The thread is about the interface not reflecting the different buttons and layout.
10-30-2022, 01:11 PM
Biggle

It's been a while so i'll bump
10-31-2022, 03:05 AM
Ransu

The crossbars corrospond to the position of the buttons on the controller. Why would you need the button icons to match? Like this is a non-issue.
10-31-2022, 03:09 AM
FireMage

Who looks at their controller buttons?
04-07-2023, 05:27 AM
Biggle

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Originally Posted by Ransu

The crossbars corrospond to the position of the buttons on the controller. Why would you need the button icons to match? Like this is a non-issue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by FireMage

Who looks at their controller buttons?

why do you feel the need to argue against expanding a UI feature thats already in the game? Not everybody plays the exact same as you. I can see no downsides to adding another option to the layout dropdown that they already have.
04-07-2023, 08:11 AM
Reinhardt_Azureheim

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Originally Posted by Biggle

why do you feel the need to argue against expanding a UI feature thats already in the game? Not everybody plays the exact same as you. I can see no downsides to adding another option to the layout dropdown that they already have.

I'm agreeing with Biggie here. While I generally have been able to get around this over time, having your visible button layout on screen match what you have on controller (especially when it is a controller you are intending to use frequently) is a great aid.

I'm noticing this issue on occasion using my Switch Pro controller in games that at most offer the ABXY layout for XBOX button mapping, which can confuse me how I'm supposed to bind properly like in Tales of Arise for example.

The requested feature is literally just a third option of an existing system with a slightly altered UI layer for the ABXY buttons, so I'm not sure why ppl say "lol it is a non-issue for me" like it is actually a non-issue to add it in the first place.
04-08-2023, 01:14 PM
Rongway

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Originally Posted by FireMage

Who looks at their controller buttons?

The face buttons are not always shown all four together. When navigating the interface, they often appear one alone. For example, the game will display a blue X button but the button on a switch controller would be Y. Further, changing the button binds wouldn't help at all because then the game will accept the X button input but it'll display a yellow Y everywhere.

Being able to play without looking at your controller is a useless skill if the game constantly tells you to press the wrong button.
04-10-2023, 10:17 AM
Biggle

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rongway

The face buttons are not always shown all four together. When navigating the interface, they often appear one alone. For example, the game will display a blue X button but the button on a switch controller would be Y. Further, changing the button binds wouldn't help at all because then the game will accept the X button input but it'll display a yellow Y everywhere.

Being able to play without looking at your controller is a useless skill if the game constantly tells you to press the wrong button.

Exactly. And also everyone with a switch controller also owns a switch. It's dumb to ask people to unlearn their switch muscle memory so that they can play ff14. Switching (^_^) between PC with controller and playing console games should be just as easy as it is for PS and xbox users.
04-11-2023, 09:26 AM
Boyzby

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rongway

The face buttons are not always shown all four together. When navigating the interface, they often appear one alone. For example, the game will display a blue X button but the button on a switch controller would be Y. Further, changing the button binds wouldn't help at all because then the game will accept the X button input but it'll display a yellow Y everywhere.

Being able to play without looking at your controller is a useless skill if the game constantly tells you to press the wrong button.

I'm not saying this shouldn't be added, but presumably people are playing now without the Nintendo prompts. There are only 4 menu buttons with pretty consistent functions. One only confirms and one only cancels (as far as I remember), one us a map and submenu, and one is jump or switch between menus. It's not a lot to learn, so I'm confused at how anyone would be having a problem playing without looking at the controller.
04-11-2023, 01:54 PM
Rongway

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Originally Posted by Boyzby

It's not a lot to learn, so I'm confused at how anyone would be having a problem playing without looking at the controller.

Say the colors of all these words out loud. The colors, not the words themselves.

https://i.imgur.com/nyztQ7u.png

Even if you know what red is, if something on your screen says "blue", itʻs going to take you a second to remember what red is. Likewise, even if one knows that X does something, it becomes really easy to forget that X does something when thereʻs a bright yellow Y button on oneʻs screen incorrectly telling you that itʻs actually Y that does something.