I want to start this post by saying I am NOT a career PVP player. My friends and I do PVP roulettes and CC together for fun after we all got our Garo mounts (I know we're sick people and probably in the minority, but it's fun to hang out with friends and blow some steam).
I'm sure I'm not the first to say that Naadam sucks royal ass. It was bad before, given that it all hinged on having a coordinated team that knew what they were doing (which is hard to come by when you just queue into PVP on any given night).
But now there are teams that are using tank invuls (ex: Pally's Hallowed ground) along with a tank cooldown (ex: Pally's cover) to put on a teammate (ex: DRG or SAM or any other job) that is getting the node. This literally makes it impossible for other teams to stop that node from being captured. It ruins that mode for anyone who isn't on the OP team (I just did a match with my friends and saw this being done by one team over a half dozen times at least.
Please, for the love of God dev team, address how these tank actions can be used in PVP. It's extremely frustrating and unfair to anyone who isn't on the team that is steamrolling everyone else.
Tank invul cheese in PVP
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08-06-2022, 01:20 PMvampiregirl663Tank invul cheese in PVP
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08-06-2022, 01:42 PMVatom
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08-06-2022, 01:51 PMhagare
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08-06-2022, 01:53 PMThaCa
They have already mentioned it's a known issue, wheter it will be solved in near future is up to them.
As annoying as it is, probably best solo counter is to play Reaper and LB them off the point. They will have Cover+Guard up slightly more often, but you should have your LB for most if not all of the tries. Alternatively something like Monk works with other people because the LB breaks Guard and you can kick them away with Enlightment to make the capper vulnerable again.
Almost every match on that map will have 1-3 groups in each team trying to do this, I've rarely seen a team with none and if they don't basically somehow just farm the other 2 teams, they have no chance. -
08-06-2022, 02:00 PMDeveryn
We know
It's been a known issue. Now it's well known, so it's a proper battle of who can get to the point first. -
08-06-2022, 03:32 PMJeeqbit
Frontline will be scaled differently to CC soon.
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08-06-2022, 04:42 PMReinha
The paladin LB takes like 2 months to accumulate. Make sure the match is over before it's ready to use.
Edit. NVM, you weren't talking about CC. -
08-06-2022, 06:08 PMKaurhz
Yeah, it would be nice if they would have the courtesy of addressing the issue on a prompt basis, most especially when it is so easily abusable and annoying to contend with. This particular cheese just really takes the cake
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08-06-2022, 06:59 PMAbsurdityThe funniest part is when you just give up and join the cheese but then you get nothing but matches where your team is just standing there on the point, while you cover them, doing nothing and you lose anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kaurhz
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08-06-2022, 07:12 PMKnot_D
They don't care with PvP exploits, but sensitive toward ultimate exploits...
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08-06-2022, 07:18 PMLaylaTsarra
Yes Cover needs to go. It's certainly an advantage for groups where people queue that ready to go when in the zone. Supposedly we will see updates to Frontline soon.
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08-06-2022, 10:32 PMMisplaced_Marbles
Cheesing in PvP? Say it ain't so!
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08-07-2022, 12:30 AMDerio
Its literally their LB and as a PLD you get to use 1 per CC match or 2 if overtime compared to dps or WHM who can get up to 3 or even 4 LB. However I do think cover shouldnt be in pvp. Or at least with its current form.
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08-07-2022, 12:59 AMPaduduThey're talking about frontline not CCQuote:
Originally Posted by Derio
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08-07-2022, 02:06 AMRaoabolicConsidering how popular CC is I would not be shocked if they rework Frontline to a TF2 like game mode. Burst seems to be the name of the game so they will either scale up how long it takes to capture the nodes ala a bandaid fix or just shut it down similar to their DOtA/LoL clone and rework it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Padudu
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08-07-2022, 02:33 AMRowde
We've know about it for awhile
it's not an absolutely invincible strat since there are technically ways to interrupt it but that requires ppl going on specific jobs just to counter the 'pld cheese strat' which is counter to the flavor of "all jobs are viable in FL modes"
I'm hoping they rework/rethink Cover just for FL AND Rival Wings tbh
Rival Wings? you say
yah what's the point of the robots if PLD can just cover + Guard a DPS that can then safely burn down Brutes and Chasers
we'll see in a few weeks if Cover was even on their radar for FL adjustments -
08-07-2022, 04:36 AMAbsurdityAll it would take to make Cover completely fine in Frontlines would be to change it from "Take all damage intended for the targeted party member" to "Take 99% of all damage intended for the targeted party member", this would mean the covered target still takes damage, even if miniscule, and it would interrupt ovoo capping.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rowde
The other option would be to make it still transfer all damage to the paladin, but not any crowd control effects. -
08-07-2022, 04:43 AMDragonFlyyWell PvP is an afterthought, after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knot_D
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08-07-2022, 05:02 AMDeverynThose are two very different things. You can't even call what happens in Ultimates an exploit. It's blatant cheating. What's happening in pvp is less consequential and there are ways to respond to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Knot_D
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08-07-2022, 06:11 AMAnotherPerson
I'm pretty sure cover is intended by design since PLD doesn't offer much offensive utility but excels heavily on defensive. I haven't found much of an issue against 2 PLD with cover in FL because they aren't CC immune even with cover. All you have to is apply a CC and either burst them down, CC and break their tether, or CC to disrupt their capture by staggering them until their cover duration is up.
Notable uses to disrupt them is using WAR's blota, MCH's Scattergun, BLM bind/freeze, AST bind, RPR LB Hysteria, DRK Salted Earth / Salt and Darkness, RDM Resolution, SMN push, DNC LB, etc. So yeah, lots of jobs have ways to respond to it.
Even BRD's Silence and Nin's stun is very useful at stopping the PLD from moving before they can guard, thereby rendering them open to quick burst. It's more about timing and awareness to not let such a big opportunity to go to waste before they can fully setup the strategy. It's also equally important to punish them after to increase BH as quickly as possible to shut them down when more nodes spawn. -
08-08-2022, 06:14 AMFrostravyn
They don't care enough to do anything about blatant cheating with addons so why would they care about this?
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08-08-2022, 06:36 AMReap00This is absolute bull. They always ban the idiots that decide to cheat and present evidence of doing so on twitch. They won't ban if there is no evidence. There are always going to be losers in life that cheat. They can't win otherwise.Quote:
Originally Posted by Frostravyn