We need changes in Frontline

I was in the last 2 month in 540 Campaigns and in every single one was 1-3 Players doing nothing.
They are Sitting in the Base, running around and leech their way to Level 90. The Rewards for every single Campaign is 100.000-870.000 Exp, depends on their Level, 500-1250 Wolf Marks, Tomestones, Rewards that can be bought with Wolf Marks and Trophy Crystals, Mounts for Achievements and all that for doing nothing.
If you say in Alliance that Team A / B or C has someone afk in it, you get only answers like "chill" "you don't pay their sub", "snitch" and many other nice things. I see no point in fighting for those leechers and giving them free Rewards.
We need changes, like remove Exp from Frontlines or give us a Report Button for afk leechers. If you report someone who is afk and he / she don't move in the next 90 seconds, he / she gets kicked and get a 8-24 hour debuff, so that he / she can't enter again Frontline for the debuff time.

I honestly just started leaving matches when I see too many people in my team leech for their daily roulette. I'd rather take the 30 minute penalty and do something else than waste my time.

Should this be a thing? No, but that has been the frontlines experience for like 3 expansions now so it's unlikely to change.

Frontlines aren't really competitive so lose/win doesn't really matter :p Also there is a high chance same amount of people are AFK in other teams too so few players doing w/e doesn't really matter in a casual mode with 72 players. Also taking away the XP would seriously hurt the content because so many people only do PvP because of the daily XP bonus

IF they are hell bend on giving EX am all in for only giving the winner XP.... since the pvp changes its even less fun, everything other then CC is a mess... and then you see 1/4 the ppl doing 0 dmg or not healing once...

If you remove EXP from Frontline you may as well remove the gamemode entirely.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Frontlines aren't really competitive so lose/win doesn't really matter :p Also there is a high chance same amount of people are AFK in other teams too so few players doing w/e doesn't really matter in a casual mode with 72 players. Also taking away the XP would seriously hurt the content because so many people only do PvP because of the daily XP bonus

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Your argument that in Frontlines "winning or losing" doesn't matter is invalid, ranking up has little or nothing to do with enjoying whether someone wins or loses in PVP, just like someone who enters without the need for the exp bonus.

I understand your point about if one person (for example) is AFK on one faction, the chances are that it applies toe each faction - however it could just as well happen that several people happen to be AFK in one faction, and none are AFK in another.

In any case, it's demoralizing to many people to see someone AFK- which is likely why it is against the TOS, and why it does matter. No one says that someone who joins just for exp has to be very good, but there are expected to participate. It's also possible to see the logs in Frontline at the end of the match.

What I really wish they did and which will never happen, is just make 1 Data center for PVP.

So if you wanted to PVP you would just have to travel to that Data Center. That would solve so many queue pops problems and increase the player pool. Then you could remove the Frontlines XP and potentially have enough players queuing up.

But nothing will happen because the games are pretty much always pretty decent on JP data centers, so we are stuck with the XP farmers.

I'll take Frontlines seriously when SE does.

*looks at massive melee buff*

I gave up reporting people a long time ago for afking. Too many people not caring these days. However, everyone will care if you take frontlines seriously and dogpile on you. So I hardly say anything, even if the team needs a leader. Frontlines roulette is just another pve roulette to me.

Honestly, it has gotten increasingly difficult to just move forward instead of looking back. It's painful.

What i would like to be done, is incentive the win vs (2nd/3rd place)..
Like they are doing for the event tome: you get 5 if you win, 3 if you get second and 3 if you get third..

this should apply also for exp, wolfmarks etcetera... So ppl would be more inclined to try to win instead of cheesing a second place. I can't count HOW MANY damn times ppl start shouting: "just go for second place, you get more stuff"

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Originally Posted by Garten

What i would like to be done, is incentive the win vs (2nd/3rd place)..
Like they are doing for the event tome: you get 5 if you win, 3 if you get second and 3 if you get third..

this should apply also for exp, wolfmarks etcetera... So ppl would be more inclined to try to win instead of cheesing a second place. I can't count HOW MANY damn times ppl start shouting: "just go for second place, you get more stuff"

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There are straight out various achievements that gives mounts for winning, that's already a huge incentive. And the rewards from the match itself (not the roulette ones) also depend on your placement.
But sadly, people who only queue for xp would never find any reward big enough to warrant putting effort in something they hate.

I truly wish it was like pve where as soon as someone afks they're kicked and leeching is not allowed. The OP's proposal makes sense.

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Originally Posted by Nanne

Frontlines aren't really competitive so lose/win doesn't really matter :p

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It's PvP, it's competitive by definition. If people don't wanna compete they can keep to PvE. Winning is literally the whole point of PvP.
Plus as I said above, good luck getting the mounts if all you do is lose.

My hopes are extremely low, since all they do is make Frontlines worse and worse, but isn't 6.2 supposed to bring additional Frontlines changes ? I'm hoping for some details in the live letter on friday.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

If you remove EXP from Frontline you may as well remove the gamemode entirely.

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Spoken like someone who hasn't been around very long.




The cooldown is too long but every afk person vote kicked has gone through.

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Originally Posted by Moonlite

Spoken like someone who hasn't been around very long.

The cooldown is too long but every afk person vote kicked has gone through.

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Find me 72 people who will queue frontlines for barely any reward when CC matches average around 5 minutes?

Stop by Balmung in 3 hours and I'll show you.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

My hopes are extremely low, since all they do is make Frontlines worse and worse, but isn't 6.2 supposed to bring additional Frontlines changes ? I'm hoping for some details in the live letter on friday.

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I take it they didn't mention Frontlines besides Rival Wings?

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Originally Posted by Niroken

I take it they didn't mention Frontlines besides Rival Wings?

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Maybe they commented about it verbally in Japanese but I saw no slides about it no :(

Was really hoping for matches with smaller number of players if the queues are too long. Also slightly disappointed that Rival Wings is just the return of Hidden Gorge, I was kinda hoping for a new map or Astragalos return.

If they bring RW back they better this time fund a way for it to pop without people having to organize matches.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

Find me 72 people who will queue frontlines for barely any reward when CC matches average around 5 minutes?

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I wouldn’t worry that on Primal, CC is not everyone’s cup of tea

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

Maybe they commented about it verbally in Japanese but I saw no slides about it no :(

Was really hoping for matches with smaller number of players if the queues are too long. Also slightly disappointed that Rival Wings is just the return of Hidden Gorge, I was kinda hoping for a new map or Astragalos return.

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I really liked Rival Wings, I found it fun out of all the Frontlines style gamemodes. Too bad it wasn't popular and the queues took forever.
I'm hoping for a revert on the sustain buffs, my WHM is barely tickling people. It's really depressing considering WHM lost a lot of healing ability only to wind up the same strength as pre-PVP rework. So I basically lost more then I gained in Frontlines.

Job Adjustments in PvP and PvE were announced in the previous live letter.

During this last one, they did mention penalties for leaving would be more severe.

Frontline wasn't mentioned specifically in either one, but these things will surely impact it.

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Originally Posted by Niroken

It's really depressing considering WHM lost a lot of healing ability only to wind up the same strength as pre-PVP rework. So I basically lost more then I gained in Frontlines.

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Oh yeah, I used to be WHM main in pvp (unlike pve where I hate whm), because it was the most healing healer, and now it's the only healer I don't play in pvp, just like in pve, because while all healers lost a lot of healing WHM lost pretty much all of it. It's so sad.

15 - 20% reduction in damage for melees.
35-50% reduction for Casters
30 - 40% for Rdm

Also a Chain CC Limit cap of TWO (2). Auto Fetterward for 6s after chain cc cap. Significantly balances a lot of lame play that could be involved.

NO. I already cant kill stuff with all my CDs and LB - buff rdm back to how it was.

My take stays, remove tanks and healers, then balance.


And remove that Pala-cover cheat.

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Originally Posted by Kuroka

NO. I already cant kill stuff with all my CDs and LB - buff rdm back to how it was.

My take stays, remove tanks and healers, then balance.

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You may as well make it all BLU pvp if you're going that route.

All jokes aside, are you willing to go back to everyone being deleted in 2 secs, especially with how limit break regenerates outside of combat?

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

You may as well make it all BLU pvp if you're going that route.

All jokes aside, are you willing to go back to everyone being deleted in 2 secs, especially with how limit break regenerates outside of combat?

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Thank you. Your suggestion of all BLU PVP would be far, far preferable to Kuroka's alternative - and it reflects that while important and fun, PVP is also more than , and is designed around, more than just "killing stuff".

Guard no longer reduces 99% incoming damage only protects you from CC.

Chain Saw 1 shot removed, give it an additional use ( 2 cs )
Reduce the CD off the normal / basic attacks

Purify doesn't remove heavy/slow if the target is mounted.

Huton doesn't increase your movement speed anymore , LB will not 1 shot the target affected by guard.

Chiten debuff will only affect the target you are currently facing/targeting.
Chiten uptime needs a better visual effect until expires instead of the initial blinks.


Poly WHM can be purified.


Pld/Drk LBs needs counter play, they shouldn't be invulnerable for 10 seconds without nothing to do, besides ignoring them, they are a huge pest in Seal Rock or Onsal.


Those are my dream changes. I haven't play Bard/Dnc/Ast but I swear they still have lots of problems.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

You may as well make it all BLU pvp if you're going that route.

All jokes aside, are you willing to go back to everyone being deleted in 2 secs, especially with how limit break regenerates outside of combat?

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I'll gladly give up all DR if it means ninja or monk can't 1v5 anymore and still get out but die in 3 seconds instead as you should when diving in like an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Llynethil

I'll gladly give up all DR if it means ninja or monk can't 1v5 anymore and still get out but die in 3 seconds instead as you should when diving in like an idiot.

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If you give up all forms of DR we're going to end up going back to melees being nonexistent, ninja being the only exception. Today's kit just doesn't support survival options for frontlines since it's more fast paced. Instead of just going in and dying in 3 secs like you're suggesting you'll end up dying before you can do any meaningful damage

If anything, I would like for the dr to be reduced, not removed.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

If you give up all forms of DR we're going to end up going back to melees being nonexistent, ninja being the only exception. Today's kit just doesn't support survival options for frontlines since it's more fast paced. Instead of just going in and dying in 3 secs like you're suggesting you'll end up dying before you can do any meaningful damage

If anything, I would like for the dr to be reduced, not removed.

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Good. Remove DR. And add more tools similar to SMN LB. Absolutely devastating zerg busters designed to obliterate tightly stacked groups of lemmings.

Maybe then we can have proper PvP where "make the biggest blob of players and cruise around" isn't the go to strategy and smaller scale fights aren't a chore that usually ends in a stalemate until one of the aformentioned blobs arrives.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

All jokes aside, are you willing to go back to everyone being deleted in 2 secs, especially with how limit break regenerates outside of combat?

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I said remove them and then BALANCE. Imo as long as theres a random number of tanks and healers you cant really balance it at all... Or let ppl play tanks and healers but give em dps stats.


Also yes please, and Blue PvP mode is long overdue...