Actually cannot get a Ranked match

Exactly what it says in the title.
I'm on Primal and whenever I queue up for Ranked (at Diamond 5) the Average Wait Time starts at "Less than 5 min", but it just doesn't find a match, with the "Average Wait Time" slowly ticking up to match the Time Elapsed.
After anywhere from 20 to 50 minutes I get an error that says "Unable to register. Duty registration has been cancelled".

What's going on here? Is it just completely dead? If so, why is the estimate giving me false hope?

Kind of frustrating since I was hoping to try to get to Crystal again in the few weeks before 6.2 but every time I try I just end up wasting a bunch of my limited free time.

Maybe try queuing during prime time and not 6am....

I did, all day. I tried queueing up about once or twice an hour over the whole day and got the same result.
I only posted around 3am because that's when I finally gave up and went to bed.

I've also had "Unable to Register" errors. Typically only when they change maps. My Primal friend has been able to get matches back to back sometimes, and other times it'll take 10-15 mins to find a match, but they definitely have been running.

The message is because of map changing. Next time it happens check the server time.

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Originally Posted by Petite

I'm also Diamond on my RPR alt and on Primal. I've had 1-5min queues even in the wee hours of the morning.

Your issue isn't normal. I've very often had queue times above 2-3 hours back when Frontlines wasn't popular in ARR and I never got that error message before. Your account or computer or whatever is bugging out.

Did you try restarting your game / computer / modem?

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I haven't tried restarting the modem, though I can get into other content, like Frontlines or Dungeons just fine. I'll give that a try.

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Originally Posted by Nikoto

The message is because of map changing. Next time it happens check the server time.

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Thanks I'll keep an eye out for that.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Maybe try queuing during prime time and not 6am....

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We've come full circle with the same excuses as why feast queues didn't ever pop and it's only season 2 of CC lol.

I'm still having issues with this. What is prime time anyway? If I can only get a match between 3pm and 7pm (Pacific) that makes sense I guess, but it just means I'm SoL since I never have that time free...

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Originally Posted by Mandudez

We've come full circle with the same excuses as why feast queues didn't ever pop and it's only season 2 of CC lol.

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Feast was actually dead. CC is not. I'm still queuing in the evening once or twice a week and getting pops within 5 minutes in ranked and unranked pops nearly instantly. And the prime time argument literally applies to any game. Even popular games matchmaking takes significantly longer if you're trying to get a match after 1am. Most people are asleep by then.

God I wish I could play later in the night as, when I can play, my queue times are 30+ mins long for Diamond/Crystal levels. :[

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Originally Posted by SamiMoshantu

Exactly what it says in the title.
I'm on Primal and whenever I queue up for Ranked (at Diamond 5) the Average Wait Time starts at "Less than 5 min", but it just doesn't find a match, with the "Average Wait Time" slowly ticking up to match the Time Elapsed.

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in pvp queues usually less than 5 minutes is what it says when you're the only person queued for it, weirdly enough.

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Originally Posted by SamiMoshantu

I'm still having issues with this. What is prime time anyway? If I can only get a match between 3pm and 7pm (Pacific) that makes sense I guess, but it just means I'm SoL since I never have that time free...

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Primal has always been the least popular Data Center for pvp. I heard people have been getting games at around 9PM EST->4AM EST. However this is Crystal Rank, Lower tiers may pop less often.
There are a few Primal streamers that tend to stream CC every night, if you catch them online and in games it might be a good sign that the que is active at that time.

Oh boy, now that it has a demotion feature. Just say goodbye to rank matches participation to hit a huge decline once reach crystal. You’ll see a massive uptick in casuals. No one like that feeling of losing and demoting when you have no control with 4 random ppl.

Or even Diamond in the matter. Screw that. It’ll take the blame if it’s 1v1 you know, but 5v5? Nah, I’m good…

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Originally Posted by Vejjiegirl

Primal has always been the least popular Data Center for pvp. I heard people have been getting games at around 9PM EST->4AM EST. However this is Crystal Rank, Lower tiers may pop less often.

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I can definitely confirm that. I'm nearing platinum on that data center. However, my window of playtime is a lot shorter than those that regularly play at the higher ranks. I currently have a 3 hour window to play, and it's only getting shorter with each passing week. Even if I do get promoted there's this uncertainty that I may end up freezing in place should the lower ranks stop getting games altogether.

Yeah, I'm whatever is right below Crystal, and it'd be lovely to get back up to Crystal but I've been trying for the past two weeks, and have had ONE match total. It's such a shame honestly, but XIV was never super popular for PvP as far as I understand.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

Oh boy, now that it has a demotion feature. Just say goodbye to rank matches participation to hit a huge decline once reach crystal. You’ll see a massive uptick in casuals. No one like that feeling of losing and demoting when you have no control with 4 random ppl.

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Yaaa crystal rank is going to get hit pretty hard. While I agree its kinda easy to reach crystal and de-ranking should be a thing, I also agree that crystal rank queue times are probably going to jump up quite a bit.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Yaaa crystal rank is going to get hit pretty hard. While I agree its kinda easy to reach crystal and de-ranking should be a thing, I also agree that crystal rank queue times are probably going to jump up quite a bit.

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That’s if you can keep crystal rank. ……..I can see a small amount off stay up credit rank…IF the rewards justify it. Majority…..they’ll just hit up between platinum or crystal and quit. Already ppl don’t like losing constantly, relying on 4 other ppl. With the demotion feature. It’s “feels” good early on. Wait until constant promotions to demotions….

This demotion feature is great. If you fall down from Crystal and can't manage to climb back up, did you really deserve to be there ? And if you quit because you're frustrated that you keep de-ranking, were you really made for the Top 100 grind ?

Who knows, maybe I'll go from Crystal to Platinum one day, if that happens I'll adjust, learn some strategies, play new jobs, try to diff a weak player. That's how it should be in ranked PVP.

As long as lower rank queues keep popping and give you a chance to climb back up. I'm curious what this "dynamic matchmaking" will look like in practice, maybe it will fix the issue of low rank queues dying.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

This demotion feature is great. If you fall down from Crystal and can't manage to climb back up, did you really deserve to be there ? And if you quit because you're frustrated that you keep de-ranking, were you really made for the Top 100 grind ?

Who knows, maybe I'll go from Crystal to Platinum one day, if that happens I'll adjust, learn some strategies, play new jobs, try to diff a weak player. That's how it should be in ranked PVP.

As long as lower rank queues keep popping and give you a chance to climb back up. I'm curious what this "dynamic matchmaking" will look like in practice, maybe it will fix the issue of low rank queues dying.

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That's the problem. Yes, it sounds good in your mind, it sounds good on paper, but there's so many factors that have to be applied in the long term that has to make sense. The more I think about it, you not going to have.........the matchmaking is going to decline going platinum on up after a week or 2. That's what I'm predicting once the patch launches. I'm saying it right now. No one likes constant promotions and demotions. It's not because they suck at it, it's because it's hard to gamble with 4 other players that you can't truly communicate with. That's going to be the biggest hurdle. This feature will make or break CC.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

It's not because they suck at it

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I disagree.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

This demotion feature is great. If you fall down from Crystal and can't manage to climb back up, did you really deserve to be there ? And if you quit because you're frustrated that you keep de-ranking, were you really made for the Top 100 grind ?

Who knows, maybe I'll go from Crystal to Platinum one day, if that happens I'll adjust, learn some strategies, play new jobs, try to diff a weak player. That's how it should be in ranked PVP.

As long as lower rank queues keep popping and give you a chance to climb back up. I'm curious what this "dynamic matchmaking" will look like in practice, maybe it will fix the issue of low rank queues dying.

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I could care less about the top 100 grind. Keeping crystal wouldn't really be a problem for me and I'm not against de-ranking. It just kinda dawned on me after today that the queue times are probably gonna suck.

The game desperately needs to bring an end to solo ranked queuing. Solo's should be for unranked only. They need to bring back teams and ranked should be teams only.

Have you played Feast Team Seasons ? If so, did you enjoy it ?

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

I disagree.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

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People seem to think there is this pool of great players stuck in low ranks because all they got was bad matchmaking. It's just people trying to justify their incompetence. If you joined the season too late and can't get pops anymore, that's on you as it was very predictable what would happen.

Everyone in the top 100 has played with the same worthless teammates. Everyone has bad days where they are gonna be down 1000 points, but they make it back. They didn't have chat available, they were not all in discord voice chats. They were just better (unless they wintrade).

If you can't make it back, you either didn't put in the time or you are not good enough. Either way, you didn't belong in the higher ranks. It really is that simple.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

People seem to think there is this pool of great players stuck in low ranks because all they got was bad matchmaking. It's just people trying to justify their incompetence. If you joined the season too late and can't get pops anymore, that's on you as it was very predictable what would happen.

Everyone in the top 100 has played with the same worthless teammates. Everyone has bad days where they are gonna be down 1000 points, but they make it back. They didn't have chat available, they were not all in discord voice chats. They were just better (unless they wintrade).

If you can't make it back, you either didn't put in the time or you are not good enough. Either way, you didn't belong in the higher ranks. It really is that simple.

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..........so you're saying that the only way to fix pvp for this game, to fix CC is to basically sacrifice 80%+ of ppl in order to get the best of the best in the top ranks. If they can't make it they just incompetent and shouldn't play the content at all lmao. That's a great way to kill your game lol.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

..........so you're saying that the only way to fix pvp for this game, to fix CC is to basically sacrifice 80%+ of ppl in order to get the best of the best in the top ranks. If they can't make it they just incompetent and shouldn't play the content at all lmao. That's a great way to kill your game lol.

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There's casual queues for people who want to play for fun. Ranked should be competitive. Right now, it's not. No one wins, the competitive players are frustrated to play with newbies and newbies are frustrated that they can never win.

Crystal queues should be where the best fights the best only. Yes.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

There's casual queues for people who want to play for fun. Ranked should be competitive. Right now, it's not. No one wins, the competitive players are frustrated to play with newbies and newbies are frustrated that they can never win.

Crystal queues should be where the best fights the best only. Yes.

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That's going to be a questionable thing to prove once this new system is implemented. I'm now curious to see how the reactions will be with crystal credit rank players how they'll respond now that they "newbies" are kicked out.

Edit: You literally got my brain active now cause I'm now going to see who is the new "newbie" in crystal rank. Is it 100 credit, 500 credit, 700 credit, 1k credit? I'm excited on this new toxic mentality lmao.

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Originally Posted by Osmond

That's going to be a questionable thing to prove once this new system is implemented. I'm now curious to see how the reactions will be with crystal credit rank players how they'll respond now that they "newbies" are kicked out.

Edit: You literally got my brain active now cause I'm now going to see who is the new "newbie" in crystal rank. Is it 100 credit, 500 credit, 700 credit, 1k credit? I'm excited on this new toxic mentality lmao.

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It's not a points thing. Sort your leaderboards at the end of the match by damage done. It's the 100k RDM.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

It's not a points thing. Sort your leaderboards at the end of the match by damage done. It's the 100k RDM.

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I don't even care anymore lol. I'm now going to see who is going to be the new "newbie" for crystal rank players. Pretty much save all the headache from platinum and diamond rankers lol.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Feast was actually dead. CC is not. I'm still queuing in the evening once or twice a week and getting pops within 5 minutes in ranked and unranked pops nearly instantly. And the prime time argument literally applies to any game. Even popular games matchmaking takes significantly longer if you're trying to get a match after 1am. Most people are asleep by then.

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that's news to me, feast popped all days of s20 :shrug:

I can say for Gold, Plat, and high Diamond on Primal and Crystal, the only queue times I can get a match seem to be like 6/7PM-2/3AM Eastern. I was trying to queue at 4-5PM on Saturday, nothing. That morning at 10-11AM and hit 87 minutes wait time before a kick out. Even the weekend doesn't change it. I've had times where we've had the same 10 people for 4+ matches just reshuffled. We already knew who was going to win because of the carries. We ended up with at least 3-4 ex-Crystal's (borders showing) in Diamond 5/4, going against legitimate Plat 4's with a huge skill gap. And so, that whole series was just based on who had the most Crystal's on their team from RNG since noone new was being brought in. Finally got like 3 new people (7 names of the 10 I knew), match plays out and the next queue goes for like 20+ minutes and can't find a match. Like there were enough people who just quit to not even have 10 people anymore so the entire queue just got killed instantly.

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Originally Posted by GordonGeeko

This demotion feature is great. If you fall down from Crystal and can't manage to climb back up, did you really deserve to be there ? And if you quit because you're frustrated that you keep de-ranking, were you really made for the Top 100 grind ?

Who knows, maybe I'll go from Crystal to Platinum one day, if that happens I'll adjust, learn some strategies, play new jobs, try to diff a weak player. That's how it should be in ranked PVP.

As long as lower rank queues keep popping and give you a chance to climb back up. I'm curious what this "dynamic matchmaking" will look like in practice, maybe it will fix the issue of low rank queues dying.

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No, this is a bad idea. Because luck is a big role in CC, since you have no control over your allies. Imagine that somebody who is bad at CC gets lucky enough to where they get 4 competent allies, and thus get on a winning streak and end up in Crystal. Did THEY deserve to be there? No, of course not, they got carried. Now imagine the reverse, somebody good enough to get into Crystal is unlucky enough to get multiple bad players like that over and over again. They go from the cusp of Crystal all the way back down to the bottom of Platinum. That's not their fault, they're getting horribly unlucky with matchmaking. They deserve to be at Crystal, but got screwed by RNG. THAT is why people hate this sort of thing.

Hell, I'm purposefully trying to get all the way to Crystal right now so when the patch comes, I never have to do ranked again because I NEVER want to deal with that nonsense, as it's already infuriating enough to go from the top of a rank to the bottom of the risers. Dropping ranks is something I never want to deal with in CC, and it is very likely going to kill ranked for a lot of players, which results in less players, which results in less matches, which leads to ranked CC going the way of Feast, a dead PvP mode.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Hell, I'm purposefully trying to get all the way to Crystal right now so when the patch comes, I never have to do ranked again because I NEVER want to deal with that nonsense,

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You don't have to go through that trouble. Everyone's gonna start on Bronze on S3 no matter where you were at the end of season 2.

Edit: I think I misinterpreted what you meant. If you mean getting to Crystal just this one time then sure. I thought you wanted to not start too low on S3.

If someone just wants to hit Crystal and stop there because they want the frame/achievement or something, that's fine. They'll just stop playing and keep that rank for the season because of no decay. I highly doubt that's a significant portion of the ranked player base.

To your example, if someone got to Crystal on a lucky winstreak and they keep playing, sooner or later they will fall back down because of the de-ranking. That's the goal. Before, they could have gotten a lucky winstreak, got to Crystal and then lost 95% of their games and they were not going anywhere. Now they are.

On the reverse, someone who got unlucky and fell back down will grind to get back up. If they truly deserve to be there, they'll get there eventually.

Demotion is fantastic and yes, that might very well happen to me and that's okay.

I think people seem to think that Feast was a lot more "dead" than it really was. It was slow at times because no one wanted to play healer because of the insane pressure on you to perform. With the current no role restriction and the larger player base, if you gave better rewards for top 100, ranked CC would be just fine.

Luck is a much bigger thing right now, because there are Crystal players that are so hilariously bad that the games are determined not by who plays better, but by who has X person on their team. If X is gone, then you go back to a contest of skill, not luck.

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

No, this is a bad idea. Because luck is a big role in CC, since you have no control over your allies. Imagine that somebody who is bad at CC gets lucky enough to where they get 4 competent allies, and thus get on a winning streak and end up in Crystal. Did THEY deserve to be there? No, of course not, they got carried. Now imagine the reverse, somebody good enough to get into Crystal is unlucky enough to get multiple bad players like that over and over again. They go from the cusp of Crystal all the way back down to the bottom of Platinum. That's not their fault, they're getting horribly unlucky with matchmaking. They deserve to be at Crystal, but got screwed by RNG. THAT is why people hate this sort of thing.

Hell, I'm purposefully trying to get all the way to Crystal right now so when the patch comes, I never have to do ranked again because I NEVER want to deal with that nonsense, as it's already infuriating enough to go from the top of a rank to the bottom of the risers. Dropping ranks is something I never want to deal with in CC, and it is very likely going to kill ranked for a lot of players, which results in less players, which results in less matches, which leads to ranked CC going the way of Feast, a dead PvP mode.

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Even with teammate randomness all of the S1 top players are back where they were. Getting bad teammates or having to play vs someones alts will slow the progress down, that's all it does.

This season I got very late start due the mess with the server transfers, it took me 50 some wins to get back there because I kept facing another people who got their rank reset from transfers, so we kept killing each others streaks occasionally. Previously I did it in something like 39 during late season on different DC when aside from rare alt the opponents were fairly easy most of the time.

Deranking means very little if you care for the end of season rewards as with 6.2 your highest achieved rank will count regardless, the most important thing is that it keep the complete dead weights out instead of having them hang in Crystal 0 rating and sabotaging games for the highest rated players because the game will try to even out the team ratings and keeps pushing them or Diamond players into 3k+ rating people's teams.

As for ranks themselves, Crystal is completely meaningless with the amount of players that got it in Season 1. Someone posted the public achievement data and about half of the players who even played Ranked beyond the very first unranked tier got Crystal with the remainders getting equal split each.