Give us Instanced Housing, SE!

Give us Instanced Housing, Square Enix! We deserve it, your lottery fix didn't actually fix anything.
This is it. This is the thread.

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Originally Posted by RemiRose

Give us Instanced Housing, Square Enix! We deserve it, your lottery fix didn't actually fix anything.
This is it. This is the thread.

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You might want to refine that topic a bit. Technically we already have instanced housing. They are called apartments. It might be a good idea for you to define why apartments are not sufficient (I would agree on that, current apartments are not sufficient) and present some ideas on what you are specifically looking for and how the changes could be achieved. My own list includes tenants and larger places, both of which could be achieved with an upgraded apartment system. What are your wants?

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Originally Posted by Eraden

You might want to refine that topic a bit. Technically we already have instanced housing. They are called apartments. It might be a good idea for you to define why apartments are not sufficient (I would agree on that, current apartments are not sufficient) and present some ideas on what you are specifically looking for and how the changes could be achieved. My own list includes tenants and larger places, both of which could be achieved with an upgraded apartment system. What are your wants?

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Oh, yeah I just made this in 5 seconds, didn't expect a single reply at all. I suppose I should expand on it a bit, specially if I plan on posting this multiple times in the future.

Ideally, we should have instanced housing of any size for whoever wants and can pay for it, but I would settle for slightly bigger apartments or FC rooms, specially if they let us use the gardening system to its full potential and let us place the outdoor furnishings that for some reason they gift us during events.

No thanks.

Yeah instanced housing is what we want and need.

community's behind me on this one

Yeah, plenty of people want a new housing system. The problem with a new system is working with or getting rid of the old one.

Bigger apartments would probably alleviate the situation a bit.

Bigger apartment sizes and housing related side activities moved elsewhere in the game. If someone wants to solo build and airships/subs alone let them with a workshop accessible by your Grand Company in a new rank. If someone just wants to crossbred some plants I see no reason the Island Sanctuary can't have a garden plot to allow access to that. Apartments having bigger sizes would also be a great gil sink for the game if they are prices closer to actual housing, albeit at a slightly cheaper amount.

There's so much they could improve in housing. A lot of people have to resort to glitching to build the houses they want and that often means having to forsake big parts of the overall house.

I'm just gonna gun for one of the new server plots because I have no expectations for them to take action any time soon.

Housing is perfectly fine,no need for instanced housing, but thanks

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

Housing is perfectly fine,no need for instanced housing, but thanks

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Do you exist solely to antagonize people who want instanced housing?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Do you exist solely to antagonize people who want instanced housing?

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I have an opinion, just like you have one, why do yours matter more than mine ? You want it, I dont, and I'll say it in every thread I can, instanced housing is a terrible idea.

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Originally Posted by Bukachu

Yeah instanced housing is what we want and need.
community's behind me on this one

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In your dreams.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I have an opinion, just like you have one, why do yours matter more than mine ? You want it, I dont, and I'll say it in every thread I can, instanced housing is a terrible idea.

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Exactly. Especially since no one really knows yet what Islands is going to be like.

I think some people want something solely because they don't have it.
And there's always something they don't have, or some reason why what they do have isn't enough.
Gimme gimme gimme, without end.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I have an opinion, just like you have one, why do yours matter more than mine ? You want it, I dont, and I'll say it in every thread I can, instanced housing is a terrible idea.

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So that's an affirmative, then.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I have an opinion, just like you have one, why do yours matter more than mine ? You want it, I dont, and I'll say it in every thread I can, instanced housing is a terrible idea.

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Curious, but why do you think instanced housing is terrible? If your only experience has been what SE provides, I'd totally agree. They seem to have very inside-the-box thinking when it comes to their offerings: "Square rooms only, check! Basic placement options, check! No resizing of furnishings, check! Need to glitch and/or use mods to make things look cool? Check!"

Instanced housing on the other hand can be really expansive. Instances can give you enormous amounts of space to work with where you design every aspect of it. Wildstar (RIP) let you share a large island instance with 4 of your friends, each of you with your own plot to design. Other variations let you own multiple homes all over the world and they're built right into the various towns and outskirts which helps make things feel more lively and less isolated (unlike our empty wards...).

Someone building a house styled as an AT-AT in Wildstar:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=saND...hannel=quontom

Some examples of homes in Swords of Legends:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvJO...nascentiaGuild

As for the above, the styles & games may not be your thing, but these should at least highlight the crazy amount of options and flexibility that can be provided by instanced housing.

In regards to XIV, I'd say the housing that we have now is pretty much instanced housing. :X Apartments are instanced, houses are in their own separate zone/instance, with the interiors going into yet another instance. At this point someone usually comes along to inform me that our housing isn't technically instanced and that it's something else, but honestly the effect is essentially the same. :P

A little outdoors balcony within an apartment itself where you can place some outdoors furnishings would be a nice addition I feel.

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Originally Posted by Xeronia

Bigger apartment sizes and housing related side activities moved elsewhere in the game. If someone wants to solo build and airships/subs alone let them with a workshop accessible by your Grand Company in a new rank. If someone just wants to crossbred some plants I see no reason the Island Sanctuary can't have a garden plot to allow access to that. Apartments having bigger sizes would also be a great gil sink for the game if they are prices closer to actual housing, albeit at a slightly cheaper amount.

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you are not going to dumb down my workshop into a stupid GC styled crapola ..... get a new idea.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

you are not going to dumb down my workshop into a stupid GC styled crapola ..... get a new idea.

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Allowing all FCs to access workshops, regardless of home ownership status, would be a massive improvement. It's not a big deal if the entrance were to be moved from a FC house to the GC halls.

People: Give us instanced housing so that every single player can access it as they wish! Maybe they'll even make it free of gil cost and definitely will get rid of disappointment people faced from lotteries or FCFS!

Some: No. Why? I hate fun.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

you are not going to dumb down my workshop into a stupid GC styled crapola ..... get a new idea.

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Workshops are already dumbed down grindfests lmao. Reckon most of the workshop activity is one person grinding all the materials and then just putting out the boats every now and then. And I know because I'm the only person who interacts with the workshop in my FC.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

you are not going to dumb down my workshop into a stupid GC styled crapola ..... get a new idea.

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translation: I want to monopolize this FC activity and keep making money.

FCs with housing can continue as usual with the way the workshop currently functions and FCs without housing should be able to access the workshop from the GC as well. The only losers in this scenario are those that want to horde airship/sub loot and FC crafting items.

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Originally Posted by RemiRose

Ideally, we should have instanced housing of any size for whoever wants and can pay for it, but I would settle for slightly bigger apartments or FC rooms, specially if they let us use the gardening system to its full potential and let us place the outdoor furnishings that for some reason they gift us during events.

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If housing was available to everyone, then there really wouldn't be a need to charge anyone for it. There also wouldn't be a need to have different sizes.

Furnishings given as event rewards really need to be given a fresh perspective. The majority of those go right into player storage because they are heavily themed towards said event. Those are optional items, so the burden of having them in your inventory is on you alone should you choose to participate in the events.

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Originally Posted by ThaCa

There's so much they could improve in housing. A lot of people have to resort to glitching to build the houses they want and that often means having to forsake big parts of the overall house.

I'm just gonna gun for one of the new server plots because I have no expectations for them to take action any time soon.

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Without glitching, current housing would go from not having enough slots to having too many in a finger snap. What we could do as far as decorating would be severely limited. Housing is actually a pretty sweet deal as is; it's just getting into one.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

translation: I want to monopolize this FC activity and keep making money.

FCs with housing can continue as usual with the way the workshop currently functions and FCs without housing should be able to access the workshop from the GC as well. The only losers in this scenario are those that want to horde airship/sub loot and FC crafting items.

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An FC without a house is like being in the rain without an umbrella. All you need is 3 million gil and you cannot make that? No, this lack of financial aptitude shouldn't be rewarded. losers who cannot learn MB supply and demand don't get free access to ships and subs.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

An FC without a house is like being in the rain without an umbrella. All you need is 3 million gil and you cannot make that? No, this lack of financial aptitude shouldn't be rewarded. losers who cannot learn MB supply and demand don't get free access to ships and subs.

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It's not even free access. You still have to pay for workshop set up and then get your ships and subs set up. Not sure why you're trying to gatekeep this or act like youre entitled to something special for getting a house. Not making enough money out of exploiting people with foot stools on a dead DC?

Also what exactly does MB supply and demand have to do with a function that does not involve selling on the MB at all? Lmao. You can easily just pay someone for the starting mats to get your recipes and the rest can be gathered and crafted on your own. Hell, even the valuable stuff brought in from subs are just sold to NPC vendors.

What a stretch.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Do you exist solely to antagonize people who want instanced housing?

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Certain peoples biggest live achievement is getting lucky to get a house in a vidja gaem so they're protective about it.

Unfortunate existence.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

Exactly. Especially since no one really knows yet what Islands is going to be like.

I think some people want something solely because they don't have it.
And there's always something they don't have, or some reason why what they do have isn't enough.
Gimme gimme gimme, without end.

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And some want it solely so they can have something others can't get.

Instanced housing solves these types of problems.

Every player can get what they want regardless of what other players also have it.

If someone only wanted something because they couldn't get it, they'll no longer want it.

If someone only wanted something because others wouldn't be able ot get it, they'll no longer want it.

It removes the artificial demand while meeting the actual demand.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

An FC without a house is like being in the rain without an umbrella. All you need is 3 million gil and you cannot make that? No, this lack of financial aptitude shouldn't be rewarded. losers who cannot learn MB supply and demand don't get free access to ships and subs.

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No one gets free access to ships and subs unless give that access by someone who has already paid for it.

Housing must be purchased. The workshop must be purchased. The parts must be built, which means buying mats if the player isn't buying the parts outright.

None of that is free.

Plenty of games have instance housing, its about time to make the needed change. Even minecraft servers are starting to do this. Those saying wait for Island Sanctuary…Yoshi-P has already said dont get our hopes high and has already mentioned some of the features it will have. But maybe this feedback will change that. They have already said they respond better to feedback that isnt just yells and demands. So if we want this we should provide adequate feedback instead.

Why we would like this:
- more housing creativity
- access to features a house provides for all.
- place to put all the event furniture
- more player made events for everyone to enjoy at these houses and they wont clog up a zone where people are trying to quest,buy items etc or wards where others live therefore denying access to go there

Might edit with more later.

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Originally Posted by Stormpeaks

I have an opinion, just like you have one, why do yours matter more than mine ? You want it, I dont, and I'll say it in every thread I can, instanced housing is a terrible idea.

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How dare you have a different opinion

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Instanced housing solves these types of problems.

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No, it doesn't. It will always be considered inadequate by some people, regardless of what SE does.
And those people will come complain here, and insist they have "the support of the community" for their new demands.

Too many people fail to understand that a MMORPG is not like a bespoke suit.
Like fashion, game design is at least as much an art as a science.
So when buying a mass-market product, the consumer don't get to specify what they get.
The designer/tailor creates what they think a market wants, or even just what they want to.
Then the consumer gets to choose from what the designers/tailors have put on the rack.
If one product doesn't suit them, they can go to another designer/tailor.

That's why "find another game" is exactly the right response to some people's complaints.
Including a lot of the complaints about housing, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Rhea_

How dare you have a different opinion

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I mean different opinions are fine, when its within a normality range.

just because its "different" doesnt make it acceptable or any less stupid.

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Originally Posted by Eraden

You might want to refine that topic a bit. Technically we already have instanced housing. They are called apartments. It might be a good idea for you to define why apartments are not sufficient (I would agree on that, current apartments are not sufficient) and present some ideas on what you are specifically looking for and how the changes could be achieved. My own list includes tenants and larger places, both of which could be achieved with an upgraded apartment system. What are your wants?

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Those "wants" have already been voiced 1000x now when it comes to apartments and housing in general. For what..8ish years now?, if they cant understand what players want when it comes to housing by now, then its a lost cause .

Either they are not capable of understanding the specific requests for YEARS... or they simply don't care....

SE fess up and please have the decency to say which it is.

wow another thred demanding give me now!!! and you expect them to jump to change don't hold your breath waiting for it.

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Originally Posted by george357

wow another thred demanding give me now!!! and you expect them to jump to change don't hold your breath waiting for it.

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"give me now"

its been a request for 8 years bozo

8 years ago there where plenty of free plots and no housing demolition, no lottery, no plaquard spamming and i certainly dont remember any housing complaints. So i would say those 8 years are hyperboly.

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Originally Posted by Caitlinzulu

8 years ago there where plenty of free plots and no housing demolition, no lottery, no plaquard spamming and i certainly dont remember any housing complaints. So i would say those 8 years are hyperboly.

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Guys we have the housing solution right here. Just invent time travel, go back in time, and get a house back when the player counts were lower. Its so simple.

There's not even a problem, its totally not an ancient system that wasn't designed to scale with an increased user base.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

if they cant understand what players want when it comes to housing by now.

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What a relatively small percentage of the subscriber base say they want on these forums is not necessarily representative of what most players want. I'm pretty sure SE understands that, but do you?

And as I said before, MMORPGs are not bespoke: Yoshi-P and his team will create what they want to create, and each consumer then decides whether to buy it. Accordingly, "Yoshi-P doesn't want it" is all the justification that's needed for not including something in FFXIV (no matter what any vocal minority wants or says they want) especially since that's the strategy that's made FFXIV a success.

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Originally Posted by MistyMew

Those "wants" have already been voiced 1000x now when it comes to apartments and housing in general. For what..8ish years now?, if they cant understand what players want when it comes to housing by now, then its a lost cause .

Either they are not capable of understanding the specific requests for YEARS... or they simply don't care....

SE fess up and please have the decency to say which it is.

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Housing was never intended for personal use. They designed it the way it is because it was meant to be for FC's. Opening it up to individual/private ownership was honestly a mistake.

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Originally Posted by sagacious

An FC without a house is like being in the rain without an umbrella. All you need is 3 million gil and you cannot make that? No, this lack of financial aptitude shouldn't be rewarded. losers who cannot learn MB supply and demand don't get free access to ships and subs.

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3 million and plot availability, the latter which is not always available. And as others mentioned, the workshop isn't free. You really have no basis to stand on besides greed. If FC buffs were locked behind housing, you'd probably gatekeep that too.

That said, there are still FC plots available on a lot of servers since the addition of the new housing ward and plenty of them still have 0 bids on it (on my server).

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

If FC buffs were locked behind housing, you'd probably gatekeep that too.

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*looks at the rank 3 buffs locked behind a workshop*
*laughs nervously*

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Originally Posted by Raoabolic

*looks at the rank 3 buffs locked behind a workshop*
*laughs nervously*

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At least with those you can get an equivalent buff via squadrons