FC Chest Rework

Is there any reason why FC chests hold so little?

We can have 512 players in an FC, but we only have 5 FC Chest tabs at level 30, and each tab only has 50 spaces.

Can the rank 30 FC get a perk that increases FC chest space to at least 100 spaces per tab? I daresay it should be 200 spaces per tab for those FCs who do a lot of crafting and gathering. As it stands, I'm having to use 8 different retainers to hold items that I'd like to hold onto in case my FC members need something crafted.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Is there any reason why FC chests hold so little?

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We will likely never know. But I have noticed the rather long delay in refresh when changing pages.

That seems to indicate the back-end isn't very efficiently designed; or is coded with safety checks to deal with 2 or more people in there at once; or there is a network throttle; or the daemon providing the data isn't threaded, or resourced, or duplicated sufficiently; or the database table behind it is running on an old 286 precariously balanced on top of a filing cabinet in Naoki's office; or they just havn't bothered to touch the code since 2011.

https://i.gyazo.com/dfc39e706ab5a75e...0cccbfa5cb.gif

It's possible more items would increase the length of that page-change delay, whatever the reason behind it is.

because most likely FC chest is meant to share items and things between the whole FC, not to use it as a private storage/trade(alt)/garbage dumpster, chest thing, its very rare to see a fc use its fc chest properly and not have everyone throw in whatever trash drop they can toss in to free up inventory slot

I think the load time has more to do with checking permissions and the tabs apparently operating independent of each other.

Frankly, if anyone fills this, they need to get more organized.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Is there any reason why FC chests hold so little?

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Yes, players (people in general) have a tendency to place less value on the things they have an abundance of. An FC chest with something like 500 slots per tab will see more and more of crap items placed in there. Things like niche mats, common minions, furnishings, low level pots, among other things that benefit absolutely no one. Let alone the FC as a whole. Anyone who has ever felt there is nothing but useless junk and/or one or two people in the FC use the chest as an extension of their personal inventory will only see this issue exacerbated with more slots in the FC chest.

Things like this are brought up during development, and while SE's foresight isn't exactly the best, something like "How many slots, and how many tabs do we give the FC chest?" is an unavoidable task. They give us so many, and the rest they really rely on the playerbase to manage themselves. They can't just stop adding new items, but they also can't just keep increasing inventory space as they do. Players and FC's need to determine what items have a value high enough to keep stock. Everything else is tossed. Every slot is extremely valuable.

I would like one tab large enough to hold one of each standard dye, yes, even if you can cheaply buy then from an NPC. It would make it so much easier to see of which dye we have enough and which dye could need a restock.

Also it would be nice if we could name the tabs. ("Workshop + GRDNG", "Free4All", "Raffles", etc)

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Originally Posted by Ilisidi

I would like one tab large enough to hold one of each standard dye, yes, even if you can cheaply buy then from an NPC. It would make it so much easier to see of which dye we have enough and which dye could need a restock.

Also it would be nice if we could name the tabs. ("Workshop + GRDNG", "Free4All", "Raffles", etc)

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We keep tab descriptions on our discord ><

I'd also like more items per tab, although I'd actually like more tabs in general. Right now we have empty tabs because we have them restricted to different ranks, but this means some tabs are quite empty as only need to hold a few items, where as others are bursting.

It probably wouldn't be popular with everyone, but personally if they can't give us more items, I'd prefer if they instead reallocated the existing spaces so it was across more tabs (so for example same amount of items over twice the tabs) then we could better use the space with the permissions per tab.

Renaming the tabs would also be very helpful too.

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Originally Posted by Ilisidi

I would like one tab large enough to hold one of each standard dye, yes, even if you can cheaply buy then from an NPC. It would make it so much easier to see of which dye we have enough and which dye could need a restock.

Also it would be nice if we could name the tabs. ("Workshop + GRDNG", "Free4All", "Raffles", etc)

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No one needs to keep that much dye ready. If anything, maybe keep all the pigments in one spot. That's 7 slots.

The only thing I feel should absolutely be kept in a space like the FC chest are voyage materials and seeds. Everything else is pretty easy to obtain if needed. This leaves ample space for the odd items that folks might want to pass to another member.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

We will likely never know. But I have noticed the rather long delay in refresh when changing pages.

That seems to indicate the back-end isn't very efficiently designed; or is coded with safety checks to deal with 2 or more people in there at once; or there is a network throttle; or the daemon providing the data isn't threaded, or resourced, or duplicated sufficiently; or the database table behind it is running on an old 286 precariously balanced on top of a filing cabinet in Naoki's office; or they just havn't bothered to touch the code since 2011.

https://i.gyazo.com/dfc39e706ab5a75e...0cccbfa5cb.gif

It's possible more items would increase the length of that page-change delay, whatever the reason behind it is.

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Oh yes, just picture the dupe bugs if they didn't check to make sure every person in there didn't end up with a copy.

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

No one needs to keep that much dye ready. If anything, maybe keep all the pigments in one spot. That's 7 slots.

The only thing I feel should absolutely be kept in a space like the FC chest are voyage materials and seeds. Everything else is pretty easy to obtain if needed. This leaves ample space for the odd items that folks might want to pass to another member.

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How about a tab in the glam dresser where you just feed in the pigments, so you always have dye to work your glam plates?

Yeah definitely wish there was either more room in the fc chest or seperate chests that we can use as furniture in housing that have inventory slots depending on size. But yeah for our FC the go to for our chest is usually just material for current expansion usually leaves room for ship/sub stuff and some general mats that are regularly used.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

How about a tab in the glam dresser where you just feed in the pigments, so you always have dye to work your glam plates?

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In trying to work with XIV's existing systems, I'd LOVE the glamour dresser to be able to hold its own stock of dyes. That way when I'm spending some time in there, I don't have to run out and grab or craft a dye that I thought I'd try on a whim.

If we're moving into dream territory, I'd love for them to implement more of GW2's style when it comes to the dyes. In GW2, they have over 600 dyes to collect, and you only have to unlock them once. After that, they're just added to your dye palette and you can apply them with a click of a button (for free).

picture of the UI if anyone is curious

https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net...ye-panel-1.jpg

Back on topic though, my main annoyance is how long it takes to add/remove items and to swap between the tabs.

I do think that the game as a whole needs a major inventory overhaul (add specific storage for materials, dyes, bait, tokens/currencies, etc) and reduce item bloat, but I don't know if I'd include a larger FC chest in that.

When I was still in larger FCs, the chests seemed to collect a ton of random junk that really had no reason to be stored there. Results may vary though as it would depend on how involved the FC is in doing group things together (crafting, workshop crafting, helping players out with <whatever>, etc).

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Originally Posted by Skivvy

In trying to work with XIV's existing systems, I'd LOVE the glamour dresser to be able to hold its own stock of dyes. That way when I'm spending some time in there, I don't have to run out and grab or craft a dye that I thought I'd try on a whim.

If we're moving into dream territory, I'd love for them to implement more of GW2's style when it comes to the dyes. In GW2, they have over 600 dyes to collect, and you only have to unlock them once. After that, they're just added to your dye palette and you can apply them with a click of a button (for free).

picture of the UI if anyone is curious

https://d3b4yo2b5lbfy.cloudfront.net...ye-panel-1.jpg

Back on topic though, my main annoyance is how long it takes to add/remove items and to swap between the tabs.

I do think that the game as a whole needs a major inventory overhaul (add specific storage for materials, dyes, bait, tokens/currencies, etc) and reduce item bloat, but I don't know if I'd include a larger FC chest in that.

When I was still in larger FCs, the chests seemed to collect a ton of random junk that really had no reason to be stored there. Results may vary though as it would depend on how involved the FC is in doing group things together (crafting, workshop crafting, helping players out with <whatever>, etc).

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They're not going to do any kind of overhaul on inventory. The best they can do is keep most items relatively easy to access. The gathering overhaul was a great step towards that. They eliminated the need to hoard HQ items and also let us gather more items faster.

Where dyes are concerned, it never takes more than a couple minutes to gather whatever it is you need. Just grab a chart like this one and you're set.

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Originally Posted by Angellos

Is there any reason why FC chests hold so little?

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And then there is me with my Solo FC Chest full of Stuffed Bokos but still plenty of space left...

We also need more defined permits... IE let rank A take x items of page 1 max etc....

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Originally Posted by Gemina

Players and FC's need to determine what items have a value high enough to keep stock. Everything else is tossed. Every slot is extremely valuable.

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What I don't understand is why we can't set any limitations on how many items members can withdraw. As you said, slots are more valuable so FC's will naturally restrict the chest to storing useful items that have value. But currently we only have the option of allowing members no access at all, or access to the entire tab and everything in it.

We really should be able to set limits for each rank. For example, a maximum withdrawal of X items a day, or X stacks.

I just said that lol

Like you cant actually use it as its either all or nothing... which would be kinda ok if we had like 10 pages... but as is...

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

No one needs to keep that much dye ready. If anything, maybe keep all the pigments in one spot. That's 7 slots.

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Originally Posted by ICountFrom0

How about a tab in the glam dresser where you just feed in the pigments, so you always have dye to work your glam plates?

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The pigments can make only a small fraction of the available dyes.
That's why some dyes go for tens or hundreds of thousands of gil on the marketboard.

That said, I absolutely support the idea of being able to store dyes in the glamour chest, and being able to use those stored dyes when creating glamour plates.

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Originally Posted by Silverbane

The pigments can make only a small fraction of the available dyes.
That's why some dyes go for tens or hundreds of thousands of gil on the marketboard.

That said, I absolutely support the idea of being able to store dyes in the glamour chest, and being able to use those stored dyes when creating glamour plates.

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I know pigments are only a part of the whole dye situation. It's basically split in 4. You have pigments, city vendors, tribe vendors and quick explore.

It's one thing to add storage to the dresser for more items. It's a whole other thing to have a slot for dye and have it interact with the plates. As nice as it would be, it's just not gonna happen. It's too much work for a super niche use. It's also too late into development of the game. Are they really supposed to spend time on such a project, when it takes just a couple minutes to access most dyes?

At this point, I fully intend to go full FFXI, make an alt name Effcee Chest, take all the craft that is in the chest, and stick it on that alt instead.

People who complain about the stuff that is missing can do so in our Discord channel, and I'll put it back on request. But right now the only way to know anything is going to be used is to take it away.

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Originally Posted by Catwho

At this point, I fully intend to go full FFXI, make an alt name Effcee Chest, take all the craft that is in the chest, and stick it on that alt instead.

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If your FC is like mine, people will fill the tabs with level 10 white-grade armour, or 20 parasols, or some low level food, thinking they are being helpful.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

We will likely never know. But I have noticed the rather long delay in refresh when changing pages.

That seems to indicate the back-end isn't very efficiently designed; or is coded with safety checks to deal with 2 or more people in there at once; or there is a network throttle; or the daemon providing the data isn't threaded, or resourced, or duplicated sufficiently; or the database table behind it is running on an old 286 precariously balanced on top of a filing cabinet in Naoki's office; or they just havn't bothered to touch the code since 2011.

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Probably a combination of all of them. We know that their database is a nightmare because every time they have to inevitably increase our inventory, be it our armory, the glamour dresser or the armoire for event items, it is a massive undertaking. Or in the case of ShB they removed one of our armor slots and reshuffled the inventory space that got freed up by it, most likely because giving us 50 more armory slots would've melted something.