This is strictly related to Apartments. Not Private House or FC plots.
Please make clear distinctions when talking about Housing here & in other threads! Housing basically generalizes apartments & FC rooms into the category, so if you mean to discuss medium house plots for example, don't generalize it into just "housing" be specific please!
Why? SE might consider apartments/ FC rooms to be sufficient enough housing, but it is NOT.
The truth is: Apartments are not adequate housing when Private house & FC house plots offer more features such as: Outside decorations, Gardens, tenants & roommates. They also offer larger item spaces & easier to decorate due to bottom floors being accessible for house glitching.
Apartments (and Fc rooms) Offer only limited item space & storage. In Apartments & FC rooms, currently you cannot have a tenant or 'room mate' who shares the same space as you, which is a feature that only private house/ FC plots allow. Apartments & FC rooms are limited in how you can decorate them as well as the amount of items you can store & place.
Why is sharing an apartment/ FC room with another player important? It saves on gil, space & they can help decorate/ add items. (I'm 100% certain there are other reasons, these are just mine)
Improve Apartments by increasing their sizes. Add extra rooms (similar to the FC workshop) but it's an outside balcony plot that can be decorated with outside decor & a garden.
Improve Apartments & FC room item space AND storage- give them floor layouts- an apartment with the interior of a small(cottage) private house (200 item with a basement)
but it can be upgraded in item space/ floors with extra gil to medium & large sizes.
The only reason I even wanted a private house is because of the cute yard & the house offered MORE item space than an Apartment.
If I've missed anything, please leave feedback below!
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06-23-2022, 11:33 PMHeyMcFlyImprove Apartment Features
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06-24-2022, 01:22 AMKytrin
I would add: Allow apartments the ability to add at least one other person as a tenant... not just for RP purposes but so others can help decorate said apartments.
And yeah, you're right about apartments not being adequate. I realize that over in JP it's not at all unusual for someone to live in a tiny space and make it work, but this is a little too restrictive and it's hard to 'make it work' when you only have only 100 slots. It can be done... but you gotta get really creative. -
06-24-2022, 02:34 AMVencio
^this,
The current state of the apartment isn’t really an “apartment” but a bachelor’s single unit/room.
1) Highly limited capacity
2) placing furniture is stressing & tricky due to being careful about size & not overlapping over other objects
3) unintentionally you end up cluttering with far too many furniture around; OCD trigger
What OP & the person above mention, please take into account on how it could be improved & I believe this may bring in player’s interests apart from house competition lotter. -
06-24-2022, 02:54 AMICountFrom0
I would gladly pay the difference in price between my apartment and a small in order to double the size and get a backyard door.
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06-24-2022, 08:18 AMJojoya
What I've never understood is why SE did not allow choice of apartment size from the start (I can understand the "we can't design it for upgrading what's already owned").
House interiors are already instanced so it shouldn't have been difficult. Copy those, flip the door to the back wall without the built in windows. When the player goes to buy an apartment, the Building Manager asks "what size", player picks size. If it means grouping apartments of the same size into different wings, that shouldn't be a problem. Studio (the current apartments) could be in the wings for rooms 1-90, small in rooms 101-190, medium in 201-290, large in 301-390.
Would players give up having a yard if it meant they never needed to worry about demolition? Many players would.
That's still not taking away the wards but it frees up houses for those who want a yard and are willing to risk demolition, who would actively garden and FCs. -
06-24-2022, 08:26 AMEradenYes, Jojoya, I agree with your opinion on this issue. Whether it be a house or an apartment, the only thing that matters to me is having enough space to have multiple rooms without the place feeling claustrophobic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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06-24-2022, 09:10 AMSolowingI disagreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FV7HS7mW...name=4096x4096 -
06-25-2022, 12:51 AMVencio
And how does your “apartment” picture speaks volume in regards to my point?
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06-25-2022, 06:34 AMSolowingIt aint limited, it aint cramped, and it wasnt tricky to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
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06-25-2022, 06:40 AMJojoyaYou realize you had a bit of a contradiction with your points. First you complain about limited capacity then you complain that too many items will trigger a response from OCD.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vencio
Your second point about having to be cautious about not overlapping also makes no sense. Some of the most highly praised housing designs (even in apartments) involve overlapping items to create an appearance not otherwise possible.
It's not size that determines what is or isn't an apartment. A apartment is a unit within a multi-family residential building where the building has a single owner but each unit has separate residents. The unit can be a single room, multiple rooms, or even an entire floor of the building. What we have would still be considered apartments.
Most of us would be in agreement that increasing the size of apartments would make them more desirable to more players. We should continue to ask SE to update the system.
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06-25-2022, 06:41 AMFuraMal
My retainers bring back enough housing stuff within a week to fill a current regular apartment / FC apartment.
If you enjoy them that's great and I'm honestly happy for you, but when folks cannot reasonably acquire a small house SE is gating that content.
It needs to be fixed through instanced housing, larger apartments or whatever to allow all players reasonable access to an advertised feature.
I mean come on. If you're house shopping and the pictures are of a nice little one story villa, and you arrive and it's a 10 story apartment complex...? That's false advertising.
I'm surprised somebody has not filed a lawsu....nevermind. -
06-25-2022, 09:39 AMSolowingIs it though? If they consider apt housing (which is IS housing)Quote:
Originally Posted by FuraMal
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06-25-2022, 10:04 AMJojoyaThe game advertisement isn't saying "we are selling this specific house". It's saying that housing is part of the game and providing a sample of what's included in the system.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuraMal
There's no false advertising going on. There is no promise being made that a player will be able to obtain that specific house. -
06-25-2022, 10:10 AMShibiThere's a point you gotta start selling those Bom Bokos. 120gil each to the Domans. Not sure what they do with them though.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuraMal
Otherwise, for the maybe 5 a week furniture items (I doubt you get 100 furniture items a week), marketboard rather than hoard. You can always re-make or buy one back later. -
06-25-2022, 03:13 PMToutatisPerhaps not a specific house by the beach but their advertising in my language literally says I can build my own house (construisez votre maison). It doesn’t say “decorate your dwelling”. It refers specifically to a house and shows the picture of a house. Those that have a house can also own an apartment (which is just a medium sized room)Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
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06-25-2022, 04:02 PMShibiThat graphic is weird, and is clearly a point of community contention the localisation team should try and correct. It's very much a misleading "perfect Hamburger" ad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toutatis
Like the English, the French is missing the "tu peux même aménager ta propre chambre" which the German and Japanese versions have. The English even suggests you can become a "Realm Renowned Artisan" lol 'sif. The French at least is "fabriquez toute sortes d'objets", the German "Craft and sell your own items", the Japanese "Make items as a craftsman" -
06-25-2022, 06:41 PMToutatisWhen I read the German version, I see that we can do two things: build a house (Errichte mit freunden oder alleine dein eigenes zuhause!) and even -sogar-(not “or”) make my own room. I don’t see how that contradicts the French version. It just adds an extra thing we can do on top of building a house. It is cumulative. As for the Japanese version, I don’t read Japanese and don’t trust auto translators for subtleties.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
Still the French version has full validity under the law here, not the Japanese version. -
06-25-2022, 07:42 PMShibiHey, I don't deny it. The localisation is terrible, like the housing system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toutatis
As I said, the ad is clearly causing contention in the community, they need to correct it so it's no longer a misleading "perfect hamburger" type ad.
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06-25-2022, 07:57 PMToutatis
They should rather fix the housing system.
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06-25-2022, 08:01 PMShibiWe can hope. Will they do it quickly though? That is the bigger question. All we can do is keep pushing them to sit down and do it! I hope they will.Quote:
Originally Posted by Toutatis
Lottery, rather than being the bandaid, has just exposed the size of the wound, with so many people unhappy. That's not good! -
06-25-2022, 10:01 PMTMW001
Ditto on this all players should be able to upgrade their plots instead of large and mediums being limited to lucky few (mostly bots and plot sellers)
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06-26-2022, 06:13 AMDivinemightsI just want to ask, where is your proof?Quote:
Originally Posted by TMW001
I will admit, it is possible for large and medium in the hand of RMT, but that is minor
This lottery, it is pretty much impossible
Any evidence to back up your statement? -
06-26-2022, 08:59 AMSolowingWell the Eastern Market is fine with the Apt, the Western Market is trying to push their idea of the american dream house should be standard. And well that's when cultural differences of what both consider fine for a living space starts to appear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shibi
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06-26-2022, 12:13 PMTwistedTeaNot gonna link the RMT housing resale website directly but it's not minor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Divinemights
Quazii and other streamers have made multiple videos about RMT resale.
SE has also stated in patch notes, the lottery system, the 30 day period for FCs/ FC members and the other new restrictions put in place is partially a response to RMT resellers.
You think SE implemented all those changes because RMT housing resale is a minor issue?
With the lottery system, RMT resellers have multiple accounts/characters loaded with gil usually from botting in other parts of the game. They then bid on highly desirable mediums/larges. -
06-26-2022, 02:41 PMJojoyaRegardless of how bad the RMT resale problem within housing is, it would not exist at all if SE had used a system where every player could get the house of their choosing.Quote:
Originally Posted by TwistedTea
The moment some barrier to content access is placed, RMT will find a way to take advantage. -
06-26-2022, 06:00 PMTwistedTeaYup.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jojoya
The majority of the problems exist because SE did not have the foresight to implement a long-term scalable solution like fully instanced housing right from the start.
RMT housing resale is profitable because the limited ward housing leads to artificial scarcity.
If housing had been fully instanced and the supply abundant, RMT housing resale would not be profitable.