Will continue the game for the story but will avoid dungeons as much as possible

I'm an ex WoW player, although i stopped at the end of MOP and did my part in raids an whatnot as a fury/tank warrior and enjoyed it very much. I tanked in dungeons and was second tank when needed in the raid. I wasn't the best player but good enough to do the content

I came to FFXIV to see what all the fuss was about and i must say that the story and questing is good but my experience took a turn for the worse once i started doing dungeons. The lower lvl ones were a disaster for the caster i now am. Due to the vety limited instant abilities i have i mostly tagged along during thrash phases and then some dps on the boss. But suddenly at like lvl 30-40 the bosses have insta kill abilities and whatnot so you try to dps on the boss half looking at your spells your still learning and half looking at no standing in shit or the wrong place but still dying of something you didn"t see coming. My record is like 8 deaths in one run but that was also partly because of the tank we had that didn't clear the trash next to the eather portal you need to take to get back when you die. Now i"m almost lvl 60 and it gets worse and worse. Some bosses do constant aoe all over the room so you get confused as to were to run too to avoid it and even if you walk out of it in time you still get hit ???? It's like you enter a war zone to end up with ptsd. Also there is so much light and sound show of spells you don't jnow what are yours and what are the bosses ones. Also everyone seems in some jind if rush not even taking time to look at the loot. Got outrunned many times and had to portal in boss zone very iften cause they already started in the boss while u wan't there yet. So now i guess i will do the strictly minimum of dungeons to advance in the questline and do other stuff to enjoy myself like crafting, events and making money etc... As i am a sum/sch i was thinking about being a healer for a while but seeing how i cope with being a dps, i certainly will never go heal.

You will have to do the dungeons for the story eventually if you want to progress further.

There is something called Slidecasting.
You can already start moving when the cast timer has about 0.49sec left.
So that's about half a sec additional time for more movement.
It also gets better with higher levels, especially for black mage.
You get more abilities that allows you to insta cast spells.
What class are you playing? Maybe you misinterpreted some skills and use unnecessary long cast spells.

For the amount of effects, you should check your in-game setting's.
I'm not at my PC right now to show you exactly where but there is a setting that you can reduce or completely disable your and your teammates skill effects.

You can also try other classes.
Physical ranged don't need to fast and can stay in good distance to the boss.
Just go the gridania and pick up the archer.
Later in ishgard you also could play the Maschinist.

I am a summoner and because of all that trouble i avoid using gemshine which is a very long cast of 2.43 sec and mostly use Ruin II or fester when i have aetherflow. I looked up whatever i can imagine to give me an edge like adapting my hud to have castbar if the biss right in the middle and my buffs)debuffs right next to it. I also disable the spells if the other players to have more visibility. But still not enough. I just did Syrcus tower miniraid, survived everything up to last boss the emperor. Around the last 40% of his health he spawns like a few orange circles on the ground right were i'm standing so i me and another player run out of the circle like at least 5 to 6 paces out of it. BOOM i still get ine shotted but not the player standing next to me and who also ran out. Like i'm not crazy abd also don't have lag so wtf i should start making screenshots to prove it. So i'm dead and like 39 sec later i'n resurrected. I resummon my carbuncle and get healed up and 20 sec later i get another ability on my head like a huge circle with arrows on it so i"m confused as to what to do and BOOM one shotted again. I mean i like playing Summoner it's quite fun in PVE. But with all the dying every timeit all gets really tedious

Summoner has the shortest amount of casts. Gemshine is your strongest tool.
Your rotation at level 50 should be:
Summon Carby when needed (if he disappears)
-> spam carby skill
-> open up a summon (green, yellow, red lego, your choice)
-> spam *gemshine* skill (it'll change, during your "Titan" phase it'll be an instant cast on a 2.43 GCD, garuda it'll be instacast on a... shorter GCD i forget how long. And ifrit has the only casts youre going to have, 2 casts of ifrit's "gemshine" skill.)

This means you'll be casting your 2.5s skill roughly twice every 30-ish seconds. If your rotation doesn't look somewhat similar to that, youre doing something dreadfully wrong.

At later levels, particularly level 90 (I forget how it is at earlier levels XD, i've only been doing savage on smn lately)
Your rotation should look like this
Summon bahamut
Spam bahamut *instant cast* skill + Weave in ogcd Energy Drain/Fester
open up a summon (green, yellow, red lego)
spam summon "gemshine" skill + "astral flow" skill (ifrit has a 2-part melee combo, garuda has a hardcast DOT, titan has a secondary instant cast skill that procs immediately after using gemshine.)
Ifrit phase will look something like this: hardcast skill... hardcast skill... gapcloser+melee skill (both instant)
Garuda phase: instacast, instacast, instacast, instacast, instacast, instacast... hardcast dot
Titan Phase: instacast, secondary instacast, instacast, secondary instacast, instacast, secondary instacast, instacast, secondary instacast
Ruin 4 (instacast)

Youll notice there are only 3 hardcasts there. The rest of summoners rotation at level 90 is 100% instant casts unless you need to use a filler ruin

I'd have to assume that, being completely unfamiliar with WoW, casting doesn't work this way in WoW?

Don't give up, pup! Dungeons are laughably easy, especially if you're used to MoP ones!

You'll die at times but soon you'll have it figured out. Could also always try the phys. ranged classes! Less standing in place for those ^^

Either way, enjoy your time in Eorzea!

Story dungeons are very forgiving for the most part I promise you. Watch MTQ guides for each one on youtube and you will be an expert in the mechanics after just five minutes of viewing. However they are mostly designed in a way where you can figure out the mechanics just by paying attention and following your party.

@Milkietea yeah i know what my rotation is as a sum and it is exactly what you are saying but curisu above you was talking about length of spells and although summoning the beasts is quite instant gemshine is still quite a long cast if you have constant aoe from the boss you have to run out of like with Ultima weapon for example

@Carin-eri well in general it seems to be well known that spells are half the cast time they are in FF. At the time my main was a fury warrior (contrary to arms warrior which wields 1 two handed sword fury wields 2x two handed swords) so it is really intense as the system also gives you procs depending on your gear, so you really feel yourself hurting the boss the faster you push your buttons. As ranged i also played shadow priest which was really cool with a lot of insta casts and dots you could apply so if you happened to have to dodge something your dots on the boss kept on ticking. A hunter also pretty fun casting while your moving and a pet like the chocobos we have. And for the rest a monk, death knight, Rogue, Feral druid and a paladin all maxed out. So i would say if a friend of yours plays wow you should try it once just to see the differences

@IckeDerTyp I promise i won't and believe it or not but at the time going offspec tank i even organised achievement runs for glory of the pandarian hero which rewards you a mount and explained each tactic with macros i made for each fight :p

@AmhWilzuun Thx i will have a look at those in my WoW years i used to watch fat boss guides on you tube

If you're getting 1-shot in dungeons, it usually means your gear is inadequate. Looking at what you're wearing on the Lodestone, you're still wearing wearing some ilvl 90/100 gear. I'm not sure where you are in the story, but buying at least 130 gear with tomestones would give you a nice defense, health, and damage boost.

Summoner rotation doesn't vary a whole lot and has a lot of instant cast abilities. If you're having difficulty seeing what you need to cast and what's going on in the fight, then you might want to rearrange your UI. While this game does not have addons like WoW, you can move pretty much everything with the HUD Layout. I prefer to have both mine and the enemy's healthbars right below my character and hotkeys below that so I can easily see what's going on. You could even set up an extra hotbar somewhere with repeated abilities specifically for tracking your cooldowns.

The game does not explain what the different markers that appear mean, so it's okay to be caught unaware the first time you see them. Thankfully the game frequently reuses markers over different fights so it won't be as surprising the next time. For example, the orange arrows pointing at your character means you need to stack with other players to split damage. Also in Xande's case, that ability will also leave a levitate circle that you'll need to stand in afterwards so you don't get hit by his powerful earth ability.

One thing that might take a while to learn compared to how it works in WoW is the way the game snapshots enemy abilities. If you're standing in the orange circle when it disappears, you will get hit even if the spell effect goes off a second later. At the same time, it's also means it's safe to move into a spell graphic after the orange circle disappears, unless it leaves an AoE puddle on the ground.

Yeah i have already arranged my hud that way cause i saw that in a typs video earlier today. But what i found really helping the most was totally eliminate the Battle effects of the other party members cause that whole light and sound show hides a lot of important stuff. Example i"m kind of running the Labyrinth today with the purpose of farming the crimson set and not to die once. You have that king behemoth boss and i noticed i always died after him casting "meteor eclipse" but didn't understand why until i looked it up and you simply have to cut line of sight by hiding behind a rock but i simply never noticed these rocks cause they were hidden behind all the spells of my party members. So idd same kind of thing as with the fight with Garuda were you also hide behind a rock. So that was it next runs i didn't die anymore. Lets say i know the emote labyrinth dance now ; ) So i would say nullify the effects of other party people is a major tip in this fame for a noob. In wow it was the lag created by the spells that caused problems but not the effects hiding important stuff

Summoner can be quite effect heavy and make it hard to see, even with other player's effect disabled. At level 70 and above you'll be able to summon large primals that are good at blocking your view. You can shrink them down with a text command.

For example to make everything small (including other player's pets):
/petsize all small

https://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodes...d/ded8f6e43d6/

I think the others might have overlooked something in your post that might be explaining a large part of your problem - battle effects.

Not all of us love all the flashy lights as they can be a distraction from what we're trying to do and when there are too many they can make it hard to see AoE telegraphs.

Go into Character Customization - Control Settings - Character and change the Battle Effects settings at the bottom of the window. Personally I use Show All for Own (Limited will work if you find it still too much), Show Limited for Party, and Show None for Others. If you've made multiple characters, you'll need to do these changes separately for each character.

It makes a huge difference in being able to see what's going on. Hopefully that will make dungeons a better experience for you.

As for the number of AoEs, just like WoW you'll get used to all the fight mechanics after you've done the dungeons a few times. Give yourself a chance to learn the content. Most of us (always the occasional jerk out there) are understanding when it comes to others trying to learn the content.

I know you mentioned that you're almost level 60 so you're no doubt into the dungeons that do not currently have Duty Support (SE is slowly getting it added to older dungeons) but you can always use it again to practice dungeons you felt had mechanics that were more difficult to learn.

Also pay attention to Espon's good advice about how enemy abilities snapshot. You generally want to move right away even if it's interrupting your cast until you learn the mechanic timing and will know if you have time to finish or if you still need to move immediately. There is one exception to the snapshotting I've found and that's Gaze mechanics (when there's a red eye over the boss). You generally want to make certain the animation for the spell has completed before turning back to look at the boss. Otherwise, just move out of the orange telegraph (if there is one) when it appears, stay out until it disappears, and then you can move back when it's gone regardless of the boss animation.

Fun facts

1. Summoner has ONLY 2 abilities during Ifrit phase that needs long cast time and 1 of these can be insta casted with swiftcast that is a general ability for all caster mages. (put it on your cast bar) Summoner is one of the best mage in some ultimate runs because it is basically a non-caster caster... so I think if you find this one difficult to play, the problem is perhaps with your knowledge of the class.

2. There is an option in the game under character settings where u can set visualisation of your, your team members and other spell effects. GO to your settings and set them "show limited" or "show none" if you don't want to see them. Party spells are good to set to "show limited" so you can see shields set on the ground.

3. If you feel that there is an issue with someone in the party, cause they are rushing, perhaps you should type in chat that "hey, im new, please go slow cause I would like to enjoy the run"
It happens to me sometimes in dungeons where there are "readable" content. If I go as a tank, I will wait for them to read the things.

4. there may be other players with you who are sprouts and have no clue what to do, so you yourself should be more patient with tanks when they have the sprout icon on their name.

FFXIV does have many issues but none what you noted are unsolvable.

Please have a bit more open mindset and feel free to ask people for help if you feel you struggle with something, because the issue might be not with anyone else, or the game, but within you...

You may also use the "trust" system where bots are overprotective about the player.

In any case, I cannot change your mind. These are just pointers to think about. At the end you can decide what you want to do.

Remember that unlike WoW, ff14 has no limit on combat raises. Dying is very normal when you're new. Even more so when you get to higher level raids and trials. Because of how the healers and even several dps can rez the entire group several times over, more mechanics will outright kill you until you figure out the trick to compensate. This makes it feel rather difficult starting out, but quite easy when you have experience and know the fights.

Expect to die a lot on your journey. It's normal, stick with it.

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Fun facts

1. Summoner has ONLY 2 abilities during Ifrit phase that needs long cast time and 1 of these can be insta casted with swiftcast that is a general ability for all caster mages. (put it on your cast bar) Summoner is one of the best mage in some ultimate runs because it is basically a non-caster caster... so I think if you find this one difficult to play, the problem is perhaps with your knowledge of the class.

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After 6.1 Ruby Rite's recast time is longer than it's cast time so you don't really gain anything from using Swiftcast on it, and even before that change it could potentially mess with your Demi summon timing.

You usually use Swiftcast on Garuda's Slipstream (slightly longer cast time than Ruby Rite and potential to snapshot party buffs) if you use Swiftcast at all. If you run into movement issues during Ifrit you can just swap your summons around.

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@Milkietea yeah i know what my rotation is as a sum and it is exactly what you are saying but curisu above you was talking about length of spells and although summoning the beasts is quite instant gemshine is still quite a long cast if you have constant aoe from the boss you have to run out of like with Ultima weapon for example

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Gemshine only has a cast in ifrit phase though, is the thing, which means your other beast skills *are instant* during garuda and titan. you shouldn't be avoiding gemshine.

Another advice for dodging: pay attention to the castbars. Not your own, the enemy castbar(s).
Forget what you know about WoW, it's not important. FFXIV is a different game, having done this or that will help you little if at all in FFXIV and on the contrary, may even confuse you and lead to you approaching things the wrong way - like dodging.
There is nothing stupid or unpredictable about dodge timings and don't get confused by some people claiming "yeeaaaaah it's just the stupid server ticks haha". That's an excuse for being too slow. Pulsing effects are on the server tick and thus tick roughly every 3s but regular skills are generally not.

Almost every skill snapshots the damage when the cast completes. Animations (and sometimes even telegraphs) are largely irrelevant. If it has a castbar, watch the castbar to see how much time you have to dodge. If you are inside the danger zone when the cast completed it doesn't matter if you managed to make it out of the telegraphed area before the explosion went off or dodged the enemy effect. You will get hit.
There are some skills that have a castbar but don't follow this pattern but they're rare and it's something that affects savage and ultimate mostly.
Even most things like bomb boulders exploding have a castbar, you can see them listed as untargetable enemies with the bar next to them.
If a skill doesn't have a castbar, watch the telegraph. If you still stand inside as it's about to disappear you will get it. Again, it doesn't matter if it looked like you dodged the explosion of the effect going off.

Well dunno what the lodestone app says now but i can assure you that i now have the full ilvl 130 ironworks set except my relic weapon that is ilvl 100. I rearranged my ui to have the ennemy castbar big in the middle above mine and i also disabled the spells of my partymembers cause all those spells limited the view of what i actually had to see. And i now run most without dying except when i make a silly mistake or wrong place wrong time. But i still do have some trouble with these orange aoe on the ground as from the moment i am in one i run out of it but even out of that spot i still get hit. Doesn't make much sense to me but i guess i will have to get used to it. I also did Garuda, ifrit and titan on extreme were i each time died halfway but yeah thats some crazy stuff. Will already be happy if i can do normal/hard to start with. Although there is one boss in hard mode that i did one time and got really scared off called Maxome Molaa Ja Ja in The wanderers palace

Specifically wanderers palace(hard). That boss has a couple things going on. From memory... he casts a Doom spell that i think the healer needs to Esuna off of the target. He likes to target his giant cone aoe at the target farthest away from him, so standing closer both makes the dodge easier and makes it less likely to be centered on you. He constantly raises banners. These arent worth destroying, the tank should just drag him clear. When he drops an idol, THOSE must be destroyed ASAP(im blanking if they buff him or debuff you, but the effect was nasty). In addition, you probly shouldnt let his adds stay too long. All in all, they arent really THAT hard of a boss. None of those are hard things to do, he just has a lot of the little things.

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Well dunno what the lodestone app says now but i can assure you that i now have the full ilvl 130 ironworks set except my relic weapon that is ilvl 100. I rearranged my ui to have the ennemy castbar big in the middle above mine and i also disabled the spells of my partymembers cause all those spells limited the view of what i actually had to see. And i now run most without dying except when i make a silly mistake or wrong place wrong time. But i still do have some trouble with these orange aoe on the ground as from the moment i am in one i run out of it but even out of that spot i still get hit. Doesn't make much sense to me but i guess i will have to get used to it. I also did Garuda, ifrit and titan on extreme were i each time died halfway but yeah thats some crazy stuff. Will already be happy if i can do normal/hard to start with. Although there is one boss in hard mode that i did one time and got really scared off called Maxome Molaa Ja Ja in The wanderers palace

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If you're still having difficulty avoiding stuff then it could be latency. Phoenix is a European server, so if you were elsewhere you would experience a degree of lag.

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If you're still having difficulty avoiding stuff then it could be latency. Phoenix is a European server, so if you were elsewhere you would experience a degree of lag.

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It is starting to sound like a problem with either hardware or internet connection.

Older PCs can be a real problem when it comes to moving out of AoEs. I had been using a potato of a computer when I first started playing regularly and kept getting hit by things I thought I had moved out of. Finally was able to get a new PC and had no problems after that (unless I was being a derp and wasn't paying attention). Try downloading and running the Endwalker Benchmark program to see if the problem is with your computer.

https://eu.finalfantasyxiv.com/benchmark/

If you're getting a decent score from the benchmark, then internet is the likely culprit. The farther you're located from the physical location of a data center, the more likely you are to have latency issues. Your connection speed can also have an impact, or it could be an issue with how your connection gets routed to the game servers.

Until you can isolate and fix the cause of your problem, sticking to non-EX/Savage content is probably the best way to go.