Remove the FC and Personal Housing Ward Split

It's been long enough on the 75-25 split of ward allocation. The Empyreum FC wards have the vast majority of small plots and a noticeable amount of medium plots still available (on Lich anyway). Any vacant plots in the FC wards of existing districts have been vacant ever since they were vacated.

This split can end now, all the actual FCs got a house and there's an uptick in small FCs that are basically just solo players getting a housings (I know multiple people that started FCs to get houses and then removed the members afterwards).

If it takes an emergency maintenance to change the allocation, then do it, don't hold it for an actual patch like 6.18 (or w/e DC travel is) or even all the way to 6.2.

Cant wait for that to fill in a single cycle and not even dent the supply issue

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Originally Posted by Oizen

Cant wait for that to fill in a single cycle and not even dent the supply issue

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It's a start at least and something they can do relatively quickly in comparison to other things. It doesn't help that European servers are more densely populated than other regions but that'll slow ease up in July when both European DCs get two new home worlds. Not to mention the entirely new data centre that'll be launching in Summer 2023.

Beyond things already announced, they should reprioritise content and push something back, potentially into next expansion, to add at least one new housing district this expansion. Old Sharlayan, Radz-at-Han and Smileton would all be more than ideal locations for housing from the new Endwalker locations and given the current lore situation, you could even go to Doma or Ala Mhigo.

The house in front of mine has been empty for a long time and i thought that was weird *its a nice plot* until I read the placard and saw my district is a FC ward now :p

It'll be interesting when they do, because it will really highlight how bad the housing shortage is.

Right now I feel players are holding out hope for when FC houses are released to private buyers, but in reality it'll be a drop of water in a bucket of hot sand. Once they release FC houses and they all get instantly bought up, we're down to waiting for the occasional plot to free up and about 5000 bidders to leap on each one.

Here on the bigger servers like Cactuar we'll likely never ever have enough houses for the number of players that want them on our server. I'm fortunate to have been playing a long time so I got one just by walking up to it with 0 competition back in Stormblood, but those days are long gone after our population exploded.

You want to completely stop any FC's from having a chance of housing so people can have their own?
This is absolutely count to what housing was supposed to be like, and how SE continues to push it.

Don't forget to also start up demolitions again. Without it, there will be no incoming supply at all

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You want to completely stop any FC's from having a chance of housing so people can have their own?
This is absolutely count to what housing was supposed to be like, and how SE continues to push it.

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The further we get from their intended design, the better.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

It'll be interesting when they do, because it will really highlight how bad the housing shortage is.

Right now I feel players are holding out hope for when FC houses are released to private buyers, but in reality it'll be a drop of water in a bucket of hot sand. Once they release FC houses and they all get instantly bought up, we're down to waiting for the occasional plot to free up and about 5000 bidders to leap on each one.

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Except we're not seeing that many total bidders right now on any world right now. Some players are tracking entries on personal houses and they seem to be in the 1000-2000 range per world (worlds like Balmung somewhat higher) depending on how many medium and large houses are available, which causes numbers to get inflated by players trying to relocate as opposed to making their initial purchase.

It's still a problem. Switching the FC wards to personal won't be enough, especially as shell FCs are whittling down the FC houses still left lottery period by lottery period. For Coeurl, the FC plots still remaining would only satisfy about 1/3 of what our unmet personal demand appears to be.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You want to completely stop any FC's from having a chance of housing so people can have their own?
This is absolutely count to what housing was supposed to be like, and how SE continues to push it.

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SE can continue to push it that way all they want but it's not what players want. Players want access to personal houses because then they get to fully engage with the system instead of being limited to visiting a house while the FC officers get to keep all the fun parts for their personal use.

IF SE truly wants housing to be limited to FCs only, then they need to take away the rank hierarchy settings that allow FC officers to exclude their members from house related content. It will cause absolute chaos, of course, but it will also show why prioritizing FC needs while ignoring personal needs is the wrong way to design the content.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You want to completely stop any FC's from having a chance of housing so people can have their own?
This is absolutely count to what housing was supposed to be like, and how SE continues to push it.

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I disagree with the op but I do think that the ratio of personal to FC housing should be 75:25, and not the other way around. There are less FCs than there are players and the ratio should reflect this at the least, right?

I know it'd have been a bit more work but if it were me, on release of the new houses I'd have custom fit the ratio based on the ratio of players to fcs for each server. Maybe add tweak it slightly to make room for error.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You want to completely stop any FC's from having a chance of housing so people can have their own?
This is absolutely count to what housing was supposed to be like, and how SE continues to push it.

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There's way more empty plots than there are active real FCs.

I don't think anyone can really say with a straight face that legitimate free companies (not shell FC) haven't had enough chances to secure a free company plot after 4 cycles of lottery, especially when there are still hundreds of empty plots in FC Empyreum wards after all this time.

Just convert the FC wards to private wards already so more players can actually enjoy the housing feature that is advertised as part of the game, rather than letting more shell FCs gain more plots whom then leave the yards bare, leaving behind a desolate neighborhood.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

I don't think anyone can really say with a straight face that legitimate free companies (not shell FC) haven't had enough chances to secure a free company plot after 4 cycles of lottery, especially when there are still hundreds of empty plots in FC Empyreum wards after all this time.

Just convert the FC wards to private wards already so more players can actually enjoy the housing feature that is advertised as part of the game, rather than letting more shell FCs gain more plots whom then leave the yards bare, leaving behind a desolate neighborhood.

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I totally agree the amount of time given to free companies is excessive. I don't think it would be a problem if there wasn't abuse but that's not the case. The amount of time given to rmt and those willing to buy up multiple homes for air/subs and resale are simply making it easier for them to do their thing.

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Originally Posted by Jojoya

Except we're not seeing that many total bidders right now on any world right now. Some players are tracking entries on personal houses and they seem to be in the 1000-2000 range per world (worlds like Balmung somewhat higher) depending on how many medium and large houses are available, which causes numbers to get inflated by players trying to relocate as opposed to making their initial purchase.

It's still a problem. Switching the FC wards to personal won't be enough, especially as shell FCs are whittling down the FC houses still left lottery period by lottery period. For Coeurl, the FC plots still remaining would only satisfy about 1/3 of what our unmet personal demand appears to be.


SE can continue to push it that way all they want but it's not what players want. Players want access to personal houses because then they get to fully engage with the system instead of being limited to visiting a house while the FC officers get to keep all the fun parts for their personal use.

IF SE truly wants housing to be limited to FCs only, then they need to take away the rank hierarchy settings that allow FC officers to exclude their members from house related content. It will cause absolute chaos, of course, but it will also show why prioritizing FC needs while ignoring personal needs is the wrong way to design the content.

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and private housing should have workshops as well. Since I can't use my FC workshop I should be able to have my own

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

and private housing should have workshops as well. Since I can't use my FC workshop I should be able to have my own

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Make your own FC on an Alt and choose from the empty Empyreum. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by Velvet_Lunarfang

and private housing should have workshops as well. Since I can't use my FC workshop I should be able to have my own

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Just make the workshop available entirely independently of owning a house or being in an FC. That way losing a house, by moving server or when auto demolition is active, isn't a massive punishment on a separate gameplay system. Likewise, this then makes housing a purely cosmetic system and you'd never need to FC-personal ward splits at all.

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Originally Posted by Canadane

You want to completely stop any FC's from having a chance of housing so people can have their own?
This is absolutely count to what housing was supposed to be like, and how SE continues to push it.

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If an FC realy wanted a house, they should have taken a small one! If they are going for medium all the time, then if they lose their chances its their fault for taking that risk. They could have easily bought a small house and hope for a chance on a medium in a later cycle.

So yes, if an FC now misses out on a house, so be it. They had their chance.

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Originally Posted by UkcsAlias

If an FC realy wanted a house, they should have taken a small one! If they are going for medium all the time, then if they lose their chances its their fault for taking that risk. They could have easily bought a small house and hope for a chance on a medium in a later cycle.

So yes, if an FC now misses out on a house, so be it. They had their chance.

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To add on to this, even if a legitimate FC decides to go for a medium or large initially, they could still have a reserve bid at a small just to ensure that they get a house in case they lost their bids for medium or large. Worst case scenario is that they are out 1.5 million gil which is a trivial sum for an actual FC with active players.

So if a FC still haven't at least secured a small by now, I don't think anyone should still give the excuse that they haven't had their chances and FC wards should still be locked down any further due to their own negligence.

don't split between wards.
Just open it after a few rounds of lottery if no FC is interested

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Originally Posted by hagare

don't split between wards.
Just open it after a few rounds of lottery if no FC is interested

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This would be a good way to guarantee houses for FCs in the future as well. When a house becomes available, only let FCs bid on it for one cycle. If there were no bids, open it to everyone.

It's hard to build a new fc without a house so I think allowing them first dibs without locking out private owners would be a good compromise.

I know a few people mainly housing enthousiasts that have created 4 people(alts) FC's to be able to buy FC houses.
I don't mind personally and they make wards look nicer *mostly*, but I am saying that the new system is absolute garbage xD

Just adding my +1 to this, hoping they'll release the few remaining houses out to everyone else soon or at least talk about it in the next upcoming stream. Like, its alright, you won, every large and medium went to FCs, we get it, ok now let the sprouts or whoever else take up the smalls that the FCs for whatever reason think they're too good for. Thanks!

I think that was their intent: let FCs get their houses, let people switch out to Empyreum and then things would open up, so people could get the smaller houses that remained. They didn't say it as such, but they made sure we knew these settings could be flipped as they monitored usage. We've had a few good rounds after the initial glitch was resolved. Things should change soon.

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Originally Posted by Johners

It's been long enough on the 75-25 split of ward allocation. The Empyreum FC wards have the vast majority of small plots and a noticeable amount of medium plots still available (on Lich anyway). Any vacant plots in the FC wards of existing districts have been vacant ever since they were vacated.

This split can end now, all the actual FCs got a house and there's an uptick in small FCs that are basically just solo players getting a housings (I know multiple people that started FCs to get houses and then removed the members afterwards).

If it takes an emergency maintenance to change the allocation, then do it, don't hold it for an actual patch like 6.18 (or w/e DC travel is) or even all the way to 6.2.

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Housing primarily is still intended for FC's. They are not going to remove the split when they never wanted personal housing to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Housing primarily is still intended for FC's. They are not going to remove the split when they never wanted personal housing to begin with.

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Yes...and by now, all legitimate FCs who wanted a house would have gotten one by now seeing that there's are still hundreds of untaken plots in Empyreum FC wards?

Then why not open up the FC wards for private bidders seeing that we are seeing hundreds of entries per private plot in the last lottery immediately rather than let the situation fester?

Even if the ward allocation is changed to 6 FC wards/18 private wards now, I can assure you there will still be sufficient plots to meet FC demand given most would have already secured one by now.

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Originally Posted by DeNada

Yes...and by now, all legitimate FCs who wanted a house would have gotten one by now seeing that there's are still hundreds of untaken plots in Empyreum FC wards?

Then why not open up the FC wards for private bidders seeing that we are seeing hundreds of entries per private plot in the last lottery immediately rather than let the situation fester?

Even if the ward allocation is changed to 6 FC wards/18 private wards now, I can assure you there will still be sufficient plots to meet FC demand given most would have already secured one by now.

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That only means this is planned for future; remember 10 years plan
These plots are reserved for new players want to make FC
Maybe try ask next plot release has higher player house percentage

Four weeks this house has sat open. Clearly no FC wants it. Open to private buyers.

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