So the idea is that everyone would be able to get their own instanced housing plot, in varying sizes, so housing is not a matter of luck but just something you save up gil for and you are guaranteed to be able to get your own house of any size you like if you spend enough time! Wouldn't this be a great idea and solve the limited housing problem?
Solution to the Housing Problem: Instanced Housing!
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05-29-2022, 10:17 PMYukikoKurosawaSolution to the Housing Problem: Instanced Housing!
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05-29-2022, 10:26 PMGreyhawk
Wow, this has never been brought up before. What a concept, SE! Imagine what you could do with instanced housing!
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05-29-2022, 10:36 PMRoehannYes because just like in real life, everything is given to you... No need to pay, no need to do anything other than push a few buttons and there ya go, you get a house. NoQuote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
While I agree that housing shouldn't be so limited, I do feel like that it should be something worked towards. Saving up your gil to get a house, crafting or buying and selling to get the things you want (not need) is a good thing.
If you want the new PVP gear, guess what... you need to grind for it.. Want that Eureka mount? Guess what you need to grind for it.. Want that nice Relic weapon to complete your outfit.. guess what... you guessed it! You have to grind for it!
Yes, SE needs to open up MORE housing, they need to stop with the FC wards for all but 6 wards, they need to open up districts in the different places where housing would be a nice option. I can see so many places where a housing district would fit into the story and add housing to the market. They need to do that, but they DO NOT need to just give everyone a house. That is insane. Life doesn't come with a bow on it, even in a make believe game. One MUST have some skin into it to make it worth something.
No to FREE housing, Yes to SE opening up more districts. -
05-29-2022, 10:41 PMGreyhawkDid you even read the OP's first sentence? There was nothing at all mentioned about having a free house, just that they change it to instanced housing instead of the crap we have had. They clearly said you save up the gil for the house type you want to buy, not get it for free.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roehann
And while we are at it, why are you wanting to keep an existing system that is broken, aged, technologically taxing on servers and makes no sense at all? Instancing makes so much more sense. Stop trying to improve a turd by making a bigger pile. -
05-29-2022, 10:52 PMRoehannQuote:
Originally Posted by Greyhawk
I did misread the OP posts. I thought it was another give me a free instance house..
As far as a broken system. It's not broken, or over taxing the severs to our knowledge. Instance housing would cause server strain just like our current wards.
If SE added more housing districts, wards, plots then I am sure everyone wouldn't be wanting instance housing. The bottom line is everyone wants the ability to get a house and right now they can't. It's got nothing to do with whether it's instance or not, it's a supply and demand feature.
Can't you think of at least six places that would make great housing districts in the story? I can. I think they just need to add more as the story progresses and that would solve their problems. Instance housing like Apartments and FC rooms aren't as nice as a ward is in my opinion.. Now, maybe a mix of them both.. Make apartments so they can have a garden, that might solve some of the issues with people wanting instance housings, while keeping the wards.
Different levels of Apartments, different levels of plots.. a combination of both would work out and help everyone.. but doing away with the wards in my opinion is a bad thing. -
05-29-2022, 11:52 PMYukikoKurosawaJust add instanced housing it would fix the problem. FFS.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roehann
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05-29-2022, 11:53 PMGreyhawkIt is actually very taxing. Yoshi-P has repeatedly stated that more hardware is need to expand this, right along with the same sentiments every expansion they have put out since FFXIV. It's the reason why we can't have nice things - more storage, more glamour storage, more housing, more this and that. The ONLY reason we have housing in its current state is two reasons:Quote:
Originally Posted by Roehann
- Yoshi-P like the neighborhood feeling and doesn't want to get rid of that, even though I have been subbed for over 2300 days, and had a house since Shirogane Extreme, I have yet to see a neighbor. At my house, my FC house, or any of my friends' houses.
- The original set up was intended for Free Companies, because housing was originally only designed for that purpose. When they included personal housing, this was the major downfall they have experienced since that day.
The benefits of instancing, I have outlined already a few times the benefits and how it could work with an existing system with migration, ward and neighborhood feelings included, just for Yoshi-P's pride.
Instancing is the smartest way to ever build something this large - that's been proven in so many ways, with so many games. It's not near as taxing when you can actually reduce the numbers of how many times we already enter an instanced area just in housing.
The only reason we are where we are, is the director's pride. That's it. -
05-30-2022, 12:34 AMMartynek
Last thing I want in an MMO is everyone sequestered off in their own little pocket dimension. Congrats, the world's dead now.
Go play a lobby game like Monster Hunter if you want this experience. -
05-30-2022, 12:41 AMGreyhawkThat already takes place in housing. You make it sound like we are asking to turn this into a solo player game and over-exaggerating the issue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
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05-30-2022, 01:09 AMYukikoKurosawaWhat if I want to live as a hermit in my own isolated house? What if I don't want to be part of a neighborhood (implying this even exists lol lmao everyone is just in their own little space never interacting with eachother). Why is that a problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
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05-30-2022, 02:33 AMKaiproberts
First off, the only reason I play FFXIV is for housing. I don't participate in the combat or other content whatsoever. The only reason I like housing in this game is because so few games have non-instanced housing. Instanced housing would be completely worthless to someone like me. That being said, I would rather them devote server space to more wards instead. Island sanctuaries will not be a housing fix and I hope people don't think it is.
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05-30-2022, 02:58 AMColetergeistHave you seen current housing wards? I already feel like all my neighbors are dead because I sure as hell never see them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
Like never. -
05-30-2022, 03:05 AMLaylaTsarraWent to a club last night on Sophia in Mist the house was congested there were so many people in it and tons outside. I live in housing wards but yeah they can certainly be empty at times if you're hanging out at your house.Quote:
Originally Posted by Coletergeist
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05-30-2022, 03:11 AMYukikoKurosawawhyQuote:
Originally Posted by Kaiproberts
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05-30-2022, 04:09 AMHeyMcFlySo, I'm going to point out, there's nothing wrong with just giving people houses in a video game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Roehann
OP never said anything about free houses though.
Back to your original post; I think instanced housing should 100% be a thing- personally, I think it should feel like a proper reward & have unlock tiers like beast tribes/ doman enclave/ firmament type deal- a progression based system set on the players donations.
Like you start out with a tiny plot/ island but the more you contribute the more is unlocked- gardening, bigger house, etc.
A little grind wouldn't hurt anyone, I agree- but the neighborhoods are dead. Most apartments are locked or if open, are empty. (atleast on my server) How often do you see wards full of people on a regular basis? Neighborhoods are a waste of resources imo. Everyone has asked for larger item space & more decoration- Many people want instanced housing because alot of folks have felt the frustrations of not being able to get their own house & deal with the limitations of an apartment/ FC room.
SE can implement a system that completely overhauls the current housing system from apartments to s, m, L houses. Put a notice out for everyone & a news letter that people need to pull out their items & can get a refund on their apartments & houses. For players who don't log on in this time, have their items put on the house NPC & held until the player can finally pick their items up.
--Wards & apartments should now be dedicated to instanced housing- A player can have an FC plot dedicated to the amount of FC members they have- like a guild hall (Similar to Guild Wars system, idk if you're familiar but it was a large world surrounded & modeled after different themes like ancient jungle ruins, a desert/ oasis, a european style castle, a temple dedicated to the god of Death, etc)
I've played many games that had various types of housing, for me the reward is the decorating & making something awesome each time.
TL; DR there is no reason obtaining a house should be a struggle at any point in a video game. A regular joe should be able to get the plot they want, a little grind doesn't hurt. I'm sure somehow, small indie company SE will manage. Hrothgar ears be damned. -
05-30-2022, 05:06 AMMartynekYou can go and visit housing neighbourhoods. Not comparable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greyhawk
Play a singleplayer game if you want to be completely alone.Quote:
Originally Posted by YukikoKurosawa
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05-30-2022, 05:08 AMColetergeistSure, visit a ghost town. Fun. Much social. Much wow. Much neighbors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
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05-30-2022, 05:11 AMAmenaraGonna go out on a limb and say you could probably go and visit instanced houses as well, just instead of having a bunch constantly loaded in a ward it would be randomly going to houses through an NPC or whatever system they come up with. Wildstar even did instanced neighborhoods so you could have multiple houses in an instanced area, maybe that would be an option as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
SE can't/won't add enough server hardware to support sufficient wards for everyone to have a house and making instanced houses potentially makes that a possibility. -
05-30-2022, 05:14 AMForteNightshadeYou mean how the vast majority of "neighborhoods" feels right now because nobody actually cares to hang out and socialize with said neighbors? As for the world at large, the only zones active are Limsa and whichever area has the latest tome gear. Every other city hub is all but empty nowadays because we have virtually no reason to go there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
If Instanced Housing were implemented, it wouldn't suddenly kill off the Limsa AFK scene. After all, people like to show off. That being said, if people prefer hanging out at their houses, why shouldn't they? -
05-30-2022, 05:28 AMLikethewind
XI has it and that game is 20 years old. You get an upper level patio, first floor, and full mog garden.
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05-30-2022, 08:44 AMJojoyaWhy are you acting like players would go into their houses and never leave to do other content? Most of the game takes place outside of housing. The world isn't going to die out. The same players going out into the world now will continue to go out into the world. The players who like hanging out in Limsa will continue to hang out in Limsa (I know a lot of the ones doing this on Coeurl already have houses, they just like AFKing in Limsa more).Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
Wards are dead already. There really is no significant difference between instanced housing and ward housing other than ward housing you're stuck looking at a sea of Paissa, Chocobo, Moogle and Gingerbread Houses with Namazu Effigies plastered around. Instanced housing you wouldn't have to look at that.
If you like chilling at your FC house with your FC mates, you'd still be able to do that with improved instanced housing. Like hosting a RP venue? You'd still be able to do that with improvedinstanced housing.
But at least every player would be able to get a house and no one would be blocked from participating in the content as they want to.
You can go and visit other player's instanced housing any time you want as well. RIFT's system has it done right. It's breaks it down into housing owned by you and your alts, owned by your friends, owned by your FC members, and owned by other players that can be found either through keyword search or their Like system. Find the housing you want to visit on the list and click the Enter button - you're right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek
Players want to create blacklists or whitelists for who can/can't enter their housing? It's there. Want to give other players the ability to change things around in your housing? You can enable it either by group category or whitelist.
Far better than wandering through a dead ward because everyone else with a house there is either offline or doing content elsewhere.
Who's saying they want to be completely alone?Quote:
Originally Posted by Martynek