Is this cheating?

I have seen Garuda parties resetting their 15 minutes abilities by abandoning Levequests at camp dragonhead?

is this against TOS?
is this cheating?

Why would it ever be cheating?

I don't think it's even a big deal really.

Cheating would be a wicked hawt three-way with two strippers when you're married...provided that one of the strippers isn't your wife. What you are talking about is simply leveraging mechanics.

Depends if you think using exploits is cheating

Huh... sounds kinda exploit-ish yeah.

An exploit would suggest they are doing something the game itself shouldn't allow such as being able to beat Garuda with a bunch of BLM and preventing Garuda from usig a 2hr. That's an exploit because you broke the system by making it so that Garuda is unable to use her move because of how much dmg she has taken.

However what you are saying is people are using a leve charge to start a leve, then they just abandon it and they recharge all of their abilities. Now there's nothing wrong with what's going on they choose to use a leve charge so they can get their 15min back if that's how they choose to make use of it then that's their choice. It's not like they are doing it for free or anything that do have to use up a charge if they want this to work.

If it was something like doing a leve in Dragonhead and then canceling it causes the 15min wait time for Garuda to dissapear then that would be an exploit because something in the system is causing the game to act in a way it shouldn't.

If they can use Leve charge during Garuda to get double 15 mins on her, then it's an Exploit. But I don't see how they can :P Seriously, people are asking universal 15 min CD and once that happens people won't use Leve Charge anymore.

why do people always try to take good things away from the game lol if the game reset your JA then it's not cheating.

I'm not entirely sure using levequests for the purpose of resetting job abilities to re-enter dungeons before the job abilitie's cooldown resets was part of the intent of levequests.

Although I would not call it cheating by any means, I would consider it a possible exploit. (Exploiting a game mechanic for a use that it may not have been intentional)

The only benefit from this is to not waste 15min of doing nothing. Sounds exploit-ish? maybe. Does it need to go away? no, gtfo.

This is hardly an exploit, i don't think he should be removed

i'd say that's an exploit. Certainly doesn't sound legit.

It will be classed as an exploit now and removed from the game.

Then introduced 6 months later as the 15min ability for Musketeer's Job when it is re-named Wild Card.

These post always make me laugh, it's funny that when smart people come up with flaws in the mechanics of the game because they use the knowledge they already learn from the game and try something out to benefit them that it is automatically a bad thing. This is happening in Diablo 3 right now. People figured out how to stun lock certain mobs so they couldn't move. Since this wasn't blizzard plan because inferno mode is suppose to be so hard. They just completely destroy the ability because people found a well thought out build that would be of utmost use for the job maximizing damage and control. God forbid that someone uses their brain. Is it a bad thing we try to think critically about the game. I mean Jesus, i guess your not suppose to do any type thinking in a video game. Just mindlessly roam the world using no brain cells.

Absolutely not. The mechanic allows 15 minute abilities to be reset, which part of the game the player wishes to legitimately attempt without cheating after this is entirely their own business. It costs them a leve, seems like a fair trade to me.

dev should remove the reset recast timer for leves or delete all the account who exploit to this? what's ur opinion OP?

They'll probably make it so if you abandon a leve all your timers go on full cool down after this.

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They'll probably make it so if you abandon a leve all your timers go on full cool down after this.

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well, it doesnt take long to kill 8 L40 toads with FULL garuda party. anything u like

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well, it doesnt take long to kill 8 L40 toads with FULL garuda party. anything u like

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Guess leaving or removing it is no issue then. lol

my $.02:

It sounds like an exploit, but it doesn't seem like a big deal. On the other hand, if you could force your 15 min ability to reset it's timer inside an instance, that would be a big deal.

Going to agree this does sound exploity how ever the seriousness of it is minor at best.

Given that SE think using Collusion just like Misdirection is an exploit, and such needed to be changed.
You can bet that this will be considered as one.

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Originally Posted by Hippo

I have seen Garuda parties resetting their 15 minutes abilities by abandoning Levequests at camp dragonhead?

is this against TOS?
is this cheating?

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Old news,lol

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Originally Posted by Leo_Hart

dev should remove the reset recast timer for leves or delete all the account who exploit to this? what's ur opinion OP?

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Just wanna know if its against TOS or not and also what the general public thinks; what SE does to other players I can't comment

I love the paranoia on these forums.

I hardly think this was intended. It sounds like a bug. Bugs are not intended by developers. This would make it an exploit. Playing the game in this fashion is cheating the system.

Expect action to be taken in a hotfix. If it can't be done because of coding or server structure then expect it to be taken care of in 2.0. I wouldn't be surprised to see warnings or temp-bans for people exploiting this.

Anyone remember the item duplication mass-banning in XI? SE takes this stuff relatively seriously. I do realize they need every penny they can get from XIV right now, but if action isn't taken now, expect it to be in the future.

This has been in place since release. Its nothing new and not something that should be changed. The only time you use it is on your first run, after that you wait 15 minutes anyways.

And its not an exploit. Its using a mechanic put in place by SE that resets your cooldowns to do just that, reset your cooldowns. What's it matter if you kill Garuda instead of a few ixal after the reset.

it's explot-ish to me, but like others have pointed out it's very minor and i wouldn't worry about it if i were the dev team.

It isn't our fault that SE hasn't given us universal timers yet.

inb4 "u shul dent ned fitteen min bility 2 win"

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Originally Posted by Hippo

I have seen Garuda parties resetting their 15 minutes abilities by abandoning Levequests at camp dragonhead?

is this against TOS?
is this cheating?

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Lol. What's your point? You don't need that to kill Garuda. Maybe you think they do, and your jealousy won't make you get a pt invite for Garuda. So keep trying.. I bet you are one of these ppl that ask for a nerf for all classes which you don't play and are better than yours. Seriously, shouldn't you be learning how to play, instead of wasting time in the forums, trying to be the honest on the table. Ban ki moon will give you a medal for your jealo... Ops honesty.

This isn't exploiting. Some people turn the garuda quest in as another class and then lose ALL of their abilities on longer cool downs. So, because they do this, they'll have to wait upwards to 20mins to enter again. Resetting cool downs consuming a leve allowance is a fair enough trade for 5 minutes less of waiting and doing nothing.

I'm even failing to see how this is an exploit. Here's how it breaks down:

1. Make a party, fight Garuda. Use 15 minutes ability, win or lose.

2. Go to Dragonhead leve camp, pop a faction leve, tehen abandon it. IT still costs the person who used the faction leve a leve allowance to do this.

3. 15 minutes timer, that was used in Garuda battle is reset before you even enter the Garuda battle.

Therefore, all it does is to reset your job abilitys timer outside of battle. It's not used in battle, hell it can't even be used in battle. This isn't the sort of thing that can be used 'at any time'. Especially keeping in mind when you change classes/jobs, your timers are reset. (and most people do this to get EXP on other classes, mainly crafting claseses after winning Garuda).

People that are calling this an exploit and even going so far as calling this a cheat need to get over themselves. I fail to see how this is a huge issue:

It doesn't break any game balance.

It doesn't earn anyone any free loots unfairly.

It doesn't earn anyone any free exp or gil unfairly.

It doesn't give anyone any unfair advantage. (Remember ANYONE can do this).

All it does is to eliminate the unnecessary wait time needed to prepare for Garuda by having the 15 minutes timer immediately available instead of waiting an extra 15 minutes just to wait for the timer to count down.

What IS an exploit? Remember the time when you could indefinitely kill mobs under necrologos leve and gain yourself tons of EXP?

Or how about we look at FFXI, where everyone abused a game glitch that allows people to 'triple' duplicate the game loot from Salvage or Nyzul or Assaults.

Or how about someone abused a game glitch where a certain item could be sold for 2 million gil a piece to an NPC.

Those were blatant exploits, and in the latter two, people were banned for this.

If anything, by all rights, this "exploit" is worse than the power leveling Exploit that Yoshi-P, himself, clearly had no problem with.

this first rule about fight club...

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I'm even failing to see how this is an exploit.

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it's not a big deal or anything major, but it would be technically an exploit. an exploit is anything done in game that is not for the intended reason. i do not think that starting a leve just to reset your timers and then abandoning it is why it was put in game. that is in place for people that run leves being able to run multiple leves and using their abilities in each one. doing that for a different reason is, in fact, what an exploit is.

like many people have said it is not a major issue, but it is technically exploiting an in game feature for a reason other than it is intended. it is intended to reset your timers to do that leve and not for running garuda over and over by abandoning it.

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Originally Posted by Hippo

I have seen Garuda parties resetting their 15 minutes abilities by abandoning Levequests at camp dragonhead?

is this cheating?

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So basically they are leaving their girlfriends to go to bed with other women in another camp so they can have fun earlier with their girlfriends again.
This is totally cheating.

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So basically they are leaving their girlfriends to go to bed with other women in another camp so they can have fun earlier with their girlfriends again.
This is totally cheating.

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Wouldn't it be Garufrans?

I'd never say it's not an exploit, but it's hardly worth condemning or patching. You pay the price of a leve token (sort of) just to save some time. It doesn't help with the fight in any way whatsoever.

People don't seem to understand what an exploit is.

Exploiting is using game mechanics in a manner that they were not intended to be used to gain an advantage. The cooldown reset feature on levequests is probably a leftover mechanic for when you had quests with guild marks that you had to complete with certain classes, so it allowed you to switch classes and start the levequest without having to wait for cooldowns.

So yes, this is an exploit.

Whether or not it's a big enough deal to be considered "cheating" is entirely subjective. Personally I don't think it's a big deal at all.

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