what would you think of the game if you had a 1 player game off line like story line then after you completed that you could play online for after game items much like white knight chronicals
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05-26-2012, 09:02 PMsettingsffxiv offline
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05-26-2012, 09:48 PMKiriA500
It would have a ton of cutscenes, typical angsty characters nobody likes and half-assed online (just like White Knight Chronicles). I loved White Knight Chronicles by the way, but the online wasn't all that special.
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05-26-2012, 09:50 PMCatapult
Games in general have this awful habit of never being able to do both online AND offline well at the same time.
I'll keep my offline games offline and my online games online than you very much. -
05-26-2012, 11:01 PMHoly_Dragoon
I actually agree here with Catapult. Games that do only single player, do a much better job at it, and the same goes for online only.
Team Fortress and Deus Ex are good examples of this. Once you throw in online/offline such as Uncharted, CoD and more, things begin to lose their magic as a whole. -
05-26-2012, 11:18 PMDelsus
Before I say this I would like to say I love both WKC and FFXIV.
The problem is we would not see the same kind of online interaction, we would level solo, and people will have been playing a class outside of its intentions so long solo they would not know how to play it with other people.
One WKC example of this is when people use a bow through the story, they use it primeriy as a DD, when they go online they DD, when bow is supposed to be a support class, using their hymns alot to keep tanks healed, to keep mages MP topped up etc, also playing offline you very rarely need to use stances (att up and def down etc) however the online quests require this alot more, and +fortify can be a life saver online if someone didn't need to use it offline it probably will not be set for online play for the harder quests until people start raging.
Another example on WKC is in the quests that only one or two people can transform, when playing offline, there is often no problem with transforming just to dispatch a large mob fast, in quests this mentality will not work, if one person transforms too soon the boss fight can be alot harder, or if someone who has subpar knight gear, they will not be as effective in the fight as someone who has better knight gear.
This sort of thing would happen in FFXIV if they did this as well, because people don't know the mentalities of the community, imagine a BLM that was spamming nukes without thinking, imagine a WAR missing a tanking or DD set, or a PLD that doesn't know how to keep hate.
Its very hard to properly integrate online and offline play, one thing I would have liked for WKC is if they allowed online versions of the main cities (Balandor, Faria, Greed, Albana etc) as a large scale hang out area, and possibly some open areas (Langnish desert, van haven waste etc) to fight alongside other people, rather than just quests infact why not have some quests (free monster hunts for example) in an open area fighting with others, this is the sort of problem with this sort of thing. -
05-27-2012, 01:11 AMThePatriarch
I would pay copious amounts of money for a offline/LAN style FFXI...
Literally, I'd pay $1000. Oh nostalgia, to be able to walk around that old world with no others! -
05-27-2012, 01:34 AMZantetsuken
Examples successful offline/online games:
- Demons Souls/Dark Souls - Mostly offline, but online content is a nice addition - online component is very well integrated and immersive.
- Monster Hunter - Online is optional but Online and Offline are balanced well (total death limit)
- Diablo - Offline is an option, but online is the most typical way to play.
Looking at that list, I would love to see a FF game in one of those veins at some point. But one thing that all those games have in common is high customization of your main character. So an offline/online FF game would have to be setup like an MMO and balanced rather carefully.
I'm still hoping for an offline FFXI-2 someday (sequel/prequel/side-story). Maybe for a portable system or something. I do miss Vana'diel at times and it would be fun to have a game that you could just pick up and play a bit there.Quote:
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05-27-2012, 02:22 AMJDR388
This is something I have thought about before and they way SE has been approaching each new numbered Final Fantasy entry as a suite of games (ie. the FFVII compilation, Ivalice Alliance, Fabula Nova Crystallis: Final Fantasy) makes me think that both FFXIV and its sister, XI would be well served by it.
What I think would work best in this situation would be some short, single player entries set in the same world as its master game following a set of story characters that may or may not be already exist within the master title. Such a game could be a prequel story, focusing on the fall of Ala'Mhigo and give us a closer look at what is actually going on in the opening movie. Another idea could be to focus on some of our grand company leaders, giving them a short, single player side story to really flesh them out and make them multi-dimensional characters.
As such, the offline titles could allow new players to access the respective worlds of Eorzea and Vana'diel but would be divorced from the same game-play that we experience in the online versions. These single player versions could use many of the same assets of their original source material, sufficiently cutting down on production time and may even be served well by incorporating an episodic philosophy similar to how Final Fantasy 4: The After Years worked.
SE has always been admirable in my eyes because of the apparent company-wide focus on narrative, whether riddled with tropes and archetypes or not. Adding in a few single player adventures to the FFXIV or FFXI "suite" of games could not only significantly improve the narrative cohesion within the online worlds but would be an excellent move for SE to make in terms of improving the marketability of the online products. Think of it this way: how many Final Fantasy fans do you know of in your lives who chose to give the online titles a pass simply because they were mmorpgs or required a monthly fee. Inviting some of the these fans in on a one-off adventure, single player adventure set in the same world would work erode these selfsame barriers and make participation in the online experience a more thrilling idea.
Lets face it, who among you after completing a Final Fantasy game didn't wish that there could be more to the experience, more to the story? The ability to jump in and create your own adventures after completing a single player, narratively focused game makes for a very powerful and unique marketing point. -
05-27-2012, 02:24 AMThePatriarch
They would make more money off a re-release of an offline/LAN style FFXI, than they have made of XIV in total.
Would be awesome to LAN some 4 player XI... -
05-27-2012, 02:29 AMDelsus4 man AV when lvl cap was 75, I would pay to see that :pQuote:
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05-27-2012, 02:48 AMDeadlySwordzthat was done with Age of Conan. I used to play that and I believe you played mostly single player till level 20 in Tortage (noobie Island). After reaching level 20, you went out into the MMO world. I can go either way with this to be honest. Doing that it got you to know the basics of how to play the game and the story. But with FFXIV you can practically solo most of the story from what I have seen. So it kind of feels like I'm playing a single player game for the most part, unless I find a group exp party.Quote:
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05-27-2012, 03:58 AMRuisuI was hoping this would happen with that Vita talk Tanaka was rambling on about.Quote:
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05-27-2012, 11:09 AMsettings
it just seems they can do a better story line with off line final fantasy games so if they could mix and match the 2 it be alot better i think the lame story line they got now dont even make sence