Discussion on FFXIV Suggestions over Chat / more "Instant" means

Does anyone semi-regularly talk about their thoughts for the game while playing, or one any other medium that allows for more instantaneous messaging than a forum post?

Just looking for a group of people to go over some ideas with, but it feels out of place to bring them up on the forum in an incomplete state.

Well, if you have or know of any, it'd be a great help. Thanks in advance.

Edit: to be clear, I'm looking for a place, not just whether or not it occurs. I'm trying to find a group, not just affirm its existence.

I frequently bitch about the current state of the game, whilst in game.

I like to talk

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

I frequently bitch about the current state of the game, whilst in game.

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I'm looking for a group that can talk about new ideas and implementation, rather than just the shortcomings of the game. They tend to have two mostly separate groups of people, and I'm looking for the other kind. No offense meant, it's just hard to find what I'm looking for on that aspect alone. Regularity is also somewhat important, as regulars tend to have a higher sense of efficiency, foresight, and completion. Though, again, that is just a generalization.

When you post. It is like you are using a form of weaponized pacing and word smithing. I cannot focus on what is confounding me but it hurts to read.

Are you trying to claim a hostile action against these forum goers Hex-Text Weaver!?

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

When you post. It is like you are using a form of weaponized pacing and word smithing. I cannot focus on what is confounding me but it hurts to read.

Are you trying to claim a hostile action against these forum goers Hex-Text Weaver!?

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Heh. No, sorry. I just feel like I'm tripping over myself when I try to figure out more about my own idea (to a point which requires feedback from others) in having released it to a forum. It's probably something that would be remedied if I was allowed to delete my old threads and replace them with a new version, but without that feature it feels a little... rude, maybe, to bring up something unfinished just because I can't get any further on it without help.

Well this is a fun post count+ exercise. Why not just state your main idea for open discussion? Or at least the one that you think is the most pressing. Forums are here for people to talk about ideas and opinions. Whats on your mind?

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Originally Posted by Zaaku

Well this is a fun post count+ exercise. Why not just state your main idea for open discussion? Or at least the one that you think is the most pressing. Forums are here for people to talk about ideas and opinions. Whats on your mind?

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My main point was already given. I'm asking for information on where to find a chat group to discuss ideas more freely, without the pacing set by a forum.

At present, my mind's probably a joggle. I'm thinking through implementation of "collectibles" for FFXIV, leve revamps, combo modifications that would allow for many more combo chains with overlapping abilities (think more "branch" than "string"), and a few others. I have a good deal of detail for each, but no final direction to make the amount of work to be done for them seem rewarding enough and efficient due to multiple uses for most pieces of programming. They're not things I can make threads on yet.

Edit: But, thank you for your advice. I think I'll try breaking them into smaller components and ask for other's opinions on the subjects first. Maybe I'll learn something more that way too, or at least trade out some of the more arbitrary parts for better ones.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

I'm looking for a group that can talk about new ideas and implementation, rather than just the shortcomings of the game. They tend to have two mostly separate groups of people, and I'm looking for the other kind. No offense meant, it's just hard to find what I'm looking for on that aspect alone. Regularity is also somewhat important, as regulars tend to have a higher sense of efficiency, foresight, and completion. Though, again, that is just a generalization.

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to be honest most of my group are always talking about conditions of things and how to improve them in voice chat. it's a fun thing to do while in the middle of just a long grinding spree or whatever you need. the thing i like about the group i chat with is that we can actually listen and have a rational conversation even if we disagree with each other. that's probably my favorite thing the game has to offer at this point in time is the friends you make and the conversations you can have with people. too bad there's not an in game voice channel so you have to do it using a 3rd party program.

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Originally Posted by darkstarpoet1

to be honest most of my group are always talking about conditions of things and how to improve them in voice chat. it's a fun thing to do while in the middle of just a long grinding spree or whatever you need. the thing i like about the group i chat with is that we can actually listen and have a rational conversation even if we disagree with each other. that's probably my favorite thing the game has to offer at this point in time is the friends you make and the conversations you can have with people. too bad there's not an in game voice channel so you have to do it using a 3rd party program.

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Would your group allow any outside members in the discussion? Which program do you use?

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

Would your group allow any outside members in the discussion? Which program do you use?

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normally i would say, yes, but alot of the group have taken breaks from the game for a bit to play that game that just released(we all know which one) so it's been really quiet the last week or so in there. if you are still looking for a discussion group once they return i will be glad to send ya the info to join in though.

edit: i didn't realize how much i depended on the conversations during the day to keep myself motivated to be in game until this last few weeks without everyone else there. i've seen my game time drop dramatically as a direct result.

also another thing you can do is grab skype since it doesn't require a monthly fee like both mumbles and ventrillo does so you can catch people in game or on the forums and get a group discussion going there as it is alot more convenient than trying to type out a complete conversation. just trying to give a few ideas on different ways to go with things.

I often discuss ideas and thoughts to my real life friends all the time on this game. 2.0 is just going to be another same old same old mmo. Unless they come up with something surprising. That's pretty much what we came up with.

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also another thing you can do is grab skype since it doesn't require a monthly fee like both mumbles and ventrillo does so you can catch people in game or on the forums and get a group discussion going there as it is alot more convenient than trying to type out a complete conversation. just trying to give a few ideas on different ways to go with things.

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And your ideas help a lot. Thank you.
I'll try downloading Skype now, probably just hadn't bothered before because I figured it was primarily for webcams, but no monthly fees would certainly bring in other user groups too... This should be a great help.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I often discuss ideas and thoughts to my real life friends all the time on this game. 2.0 is just going to be another same old same old mmo. Unless they come up with something surprising. That's pretty much what we came up with.

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If only as a rule of thumb, if it doesn't say it's going to change and show means to do so, then it won't. Personally, I think 2.0 will be a benefit. But I don't think it will make the game fulfilling except for those for whom the live version is already satisfying. This is also why I feel a bit disappointed by those who are adamant on waiting for 2.0 before thinking of suggestions. 2.0 is not a perfectly set deal. Most of its advancements are in framework, but it is not mutually exclusive with most good suggestions that can be made. And for the suggestions that would require additional changes to framework, the sooner they are brought forward, the better.

Just my stance, which I can only hope is relevant. People should be able to follow deeply enough into the fundamentals of a game they've played to enjoy it, but they should also come out of those depths with ideas intact - not merely toss them out for the sake of "practicality". And with each time you dive in, both into the game itself, and cycling through your ideas, your view gets a little clearer and broader. In a way, that should be enough fun to warrant the effort already.

<--Player Bias: joined the game slightly enraptured by it, enjoyed the Echo quest-line and similar greatly even if they seemed a bit poorly done, enjoyed my first leveling parties and exploring almost every zone, but have steadily lost drive to the point of only logging in for daily leves and a little sightseeing - both to outside music.

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Originally Posted by Shurrikhan

And your ideas help a lot. Thank you.
I'll try downloading Skype now, probably just hadn't bothered before because I figured it was primarily for webcams, but no monthly fees would certainly bring in other user groups too... This should be a great help.

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skype is a free voice chat, but if you want to have the capability for group cam chats it does have a monthly fee. if you are one on one chats you can cam back and forth freely though. i've been with many groups that just use it for the voice chat calls and it works quite well if that's all you use it for. if you need any help setting it up or someone to chat with on there my skype id is same as my id on here.