RPR’s Voidsent

Hi all, I’ve commented about this before somewhere with my HC being the Voidsent we bond with is the 13th Shard’s Azem. Now with 6.1 I feel that’s less likely. However, some dialogue is presented from Y’shtola if you have Reaper leveled when we find the void gate in the newest dungeon. She mentions Voidsent typically take over their hosts and devour their souls and noting that we’ve bonded with one as well - and to make sure we are the exception to the rule.

Given how little we know of the Voidsent we’ve bonded with, and the likelihood we’ll be traveling to the Void soon, do you think we might get some background on our demonic ally? I recognize it may be difficult to show class lore in the main story as many may not have the class leveled or want it in their WoL’s canon.

Personally I’d at least like some kind of interaction with our Voidsent and the 13th Shard or even Zenos’ Voidsent.

Almost definetely not, SE have all but abandoned doing new Job quests going forward (the concept of Role quests started in ShB and continued in EW replaced individual class and Job quest lines), so the identity of RPR's avatar will always just be "it's a Voidsent you pulled across" with nothing else given alas.

The Avatar was apparently attached to the crystal before we got to it, so frankly I'd consider it improbable that it was anything special to us anyway.

Yeah, if any Voidsent were to be our shard from the 13th, it'd be...that one. You know...

The one that's helping Zenos.

Sadly it could’ve been one hell of a role quest line but sadly SE are full of terrible decisions

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Originally Posted by RyuDragnier

Yeah, if any Voidsent were to be our shard from the 13th, it'd be...that one. You know...

The one that's helping Zenos.

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I'm.. starting to doubt that to be really honest - it would be a little too convinent for his avatar to be Azem's soul shard, where every other RPR has a random voidsent (yes, I know Yoshi has dropped hints about

Zenos's avatar

being 'special' and having a connection to the story, but again, too convinent in my opinion). If anything, I'm starting to lean more to Azem's 13th soul fragment being the

mysterious 'black knight' introduced in 6.1 who is totally not Golbez - it would make perfect sense, especially how Golbez in FFIV was FFIV protagonist Cecil's brother.

Either way, we'll find out eventually.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I'm.. starting to doubt that to be really honest - it would be a little too convinent for his avatar to be Azem's soul shard, where every other RPR has a random voidsent (yes, I know Yoshi has dropped hints about

Zenos's avatar

being 'special' and having a connection to the story, but again, too convinent in my opinion). If anything, I'm starting to lean more to Azem's 13th soul fragment being the

mysterious 'black knight' introduced in 6.1 who is totally not Golbez - it would make perfect sense, especially how Golbez in FFIV was FFIV protagonist Cecil's brother.

Either way, we'll find out eventually.

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Nah I have a feeling that

the Black Knight who isn't actually Golbez is probably Azdaja, as then they can reference the shocking sibling reveal from FF4. Plus Golbez IS associated with a shadow dragon and even pulls one out in Dissidia NT.

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Originally Posted by Jirah

Sadly it could’ve been one hell of a role quest line but sadly SE are full of terrible decisions

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Actually, it would've been total butt of a role quest. Because you're picturing it as essentially 'Reaper: Part Two', but remember that if it were a role quest it would've also been done by Dragon, Ninja, Monk, or Samurai. Which also means that it would've had to be written with the idea that it makes sense to someone who's only played Monk, and suddenly the writing has to go weirdass sideways because largely the same script has to stand for both 'only ever did Reaper and so knows all about the Avatar stuff', and 'literally has never met the Hardcore Botanist's Club'.

I thought going in to the RPR job questline that our Avatar would end up being something like Venom, where we would have to wrangle them into going along with our plans while we convince them to channel their baser desires into terrorizing chickens and eating grapes. They've kind of done this sort of story with Frey already, but it still feels like a missed opportunity. It would be nice to know a name at the very least. Might be worth asking for them to provide more backstory on it the next Q+A.

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Originally Posted by Lyth

I thought going in to the RPR job questline that our Avatar would end up being something like Venom, where we would have to wrangle them into going along with our plans while we convince them to channel their baser desires into terrorizing chickens and eating grapes. They've kind of done this sort of story with Frey already, but it still feels like a missed opportunity. It would be nice to know a name at the very least. Might be worth asking for them to provide more backstory on it the next Q+A.

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I agree I don’t honestly expect much/anything given the nature of the game and player choices, but a little backstory would be nice. It seems like too big of a choice (bonding with a Voidsent) to not have any background info.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

I'm.. starting to doubt that to be really honest - it would be a little too convinent for his avatar to be Azem's soul shard, where every other RPR has a random voidsent (yes, I know Yoshi has dropped hints about

Zenos's avatar

being 'special' and having a connection to the story, but again, too convinent in my opinion).

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It doesn't feel like a stretch to me considering Zenos possessed the ability to see the color of souls.

If they wanted to make that actually play into something meaningful instead of dropping its relevance like with his visions of the Final Days, him using it to seek out a "familiar" voidsent would be logical...and with how much of a stickler he is for appropriate weaponry I feel like he'd have been equally picky about choosing a voidsent.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

It doesn't feel like a stretch to me considering Zenos possessed the ability to see the color of souls.

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Tin foil hat time! The fact that Zenos was dreaming of Amaurot, could see soul colors, and was immediately fixated on the WoL (before we were even a challenge for him) makes me wonder if the 'could Emet have found a way' line was perhaps in regards to cloning his soul. I suppose we'll never know, but the DNA hand wave by Yoshi-P for what seemed like something that was going to be an important plot point was frustrating.

The Reaper voidsent having zero lore behind it was a very deliberate decision. The intent going forward seems to be to ignore all jon lore moving forward. We are not a reaper, a white mage, or a dragoon. We are the Warrior of Light and nothing else about us matters.

They may do a head nod to being able to heal or other things like that, but that was a concession to large amounts of player complaints.

The WoWififation of FF14 is upon us. Look upon the future and despair.

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

The Reaper voidsent having zero lore behind it was a very deliberate decision. The intent going forward seems to be to ignore all jon lore moving forward. We are not a reaper, a white mage, or a dragoon. We are the Warrior of Light and nothing else about us matters.

They may do a head nod to being able to heal or other things like that, but that was a concession to large amounts of player complaints.

The WoWififation of FF14 is upon us. Look upon the future and despair.

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...we got a fairly decent amount of lore on both new jobs. Like, we know exactly what we're doing with those, we just didn't get an answer to this specific question.

And consider: maybe the reason we didn't get any information on this is because it doesn't actually matter. Maybe the Avatar isn't any particularly important voidsent, maybe it's just the voidsent equivalent of Greg from that accounting firm a few streets down.

'Unknown but not important' is far from new, after all. I've done every single job quest, and I can tell you that we don't know the previous owners of our crystal for Warrior, Paladin, Gunbreaker, Sage, Monk, Reaper, Bard, Dancer, Summoner, and Red Mage. And we only know of the previous owner for Ninja, we don't actually know anything about him. We never learn anything about those previous owners, and I think we all generally accept that the reason is probably because there's nothing all too worthwhile to tell.

Would you actually feel any different about Reaper if you were told that the voidsent Avatar is just a normal, nothing-special voidsent? Because I think that's the reason we weren't told.

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Originally Posted by Necrotica

The Reaper voidsent having zero lore behind it was a very deliberate decision. The intent going forward seems to be to ignore all jon lore moving forward. We are not a reaper, a white mage, or a dragoon. We are the Warrior of Light and nothing else about us matters.

They may do a head nod to being able to heal or other things like that, but that was a concession to large amounts of player complaints.

The WoWififation of FF14 is upon us. Look upon the future and despair.

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It has literally never mattered what the player's job is beyond small nods here and there. Even when a job story just doesn't make sense later in the main story (ARR's dragoon quests are especially blatant, considering they introduced Estinien to the game). Acting like this is a new thing is incorrect.

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Originally Posted by Cleretic

'Unknown but not important' is far from new, after all. I've done every single job quest, and I can tell you that we don't know the previous owners of our crystal for Warrior, Paladin, Gunbreaker, Sage, Monk, Reaper, Bard, Dancer, Summoner, and Red Mage. And we only know of the previous owner for Ninja, we don't actually know anything about him. We never learn anything about those previous owners, and I think we all generally accept that the reason is probably because there's nothing all too worthwhile to tell.

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Well we do find out who owned the sage crystal before us, though that one is relevant to the sage questline.

going forward se needs to careful they don't retcon other previous lore. This void sent bonding seems particularly close the mahchi black mages ( and i personally wont stand for it). I mean yes it makes sense the voidsent bonding doesnt kill us cause were wol but i sincerely doubt diabolos, lilith, scathach, Cuchulainn, etc were all bonded to statues like gargoyles are.

And for the record i'd rather have the old quests back than these boring role quest. I see a bunch of dancer stuff in thavanir and will we ever get a quest going to those statues in thavnir nope. Wowification of ff14 indeed.

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Originally Posted by Grimr

going forward se needs to careful they don't retcon other previous lore. This void sent bonding seems particularly close the mahchi black mages ( and i personally wont stand for it). I mean yes it makes sense the voidsent bonding doesnt kill us cause were wol but i sincerely doubt diabolos, lilith, scathach, Cuchulainn, etc were all bonded to statues like gargoyles are.

And for the record i'd rather have the old quests back than these boring role quest. I see a bunch of dancer stuff in thavanir and will we ever get a quest going to those statues in thavnir nope. Wowification of ff14 indeed.

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I would suggest you read the lore before arguing that they didn't. There's actually a lot of different types of voidsent that have very different forms of manifestation outside of the Thirteenth. Y'shtola's example was gargoyles, who have been known to bond to statues since at least the release of the Encyclopedia Eorzea, and I presume earlier. Some other forms of voidsent bond to different things (mimics to treasure chests, succubus to dead bodies of women, multiple types of voidsent specifically to disembodied eyeballs), some especially weak or especially strong ones just come out in their physical form; imps, flan, Diabolos and Scathach all just come over in full.

There actually isn't a single piece of evidence that Mhach was chanelling voidsent into their living forms like Reapers do, although frankly I wouldn't be surprised; it's not that I think that's above or beneath them, I'm just not aware of them doing it. But even if they did... I mean, I don't see a problem with the Garlean Reapers borrowing from that if it works for them.

The Mhachi were mentioned as having their strongest magi offer themselves up as vessels for powerful voidsent, though that was in a manner that made them very dead and wasn't "safe" like how reapers utilize Enshroud as that only permits a small portion of a voidsent's essence to cross over, but nonetheless runs the risk of the same outcome as the former method if the wielder is reckless and allows their will to falter.

It does make question me just how "dead" the likes of Diabolos and other powerful voidsent are considering that destroying their vessels would not necessarily destroy their souls and other instances of killing voidsent refer to it as simply "banishing them back to the void".

It probably depends on whether the void connects to the Lifestream or not, which seems less likely because they'd just drain up all the aether in there. If it doesn't, you'd have a collection of vengeful spirits, starved of aether, cursed with immortality, unable to attain satisfaction, and nursing a 10000 year old grudge.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

It does make question me just how "dead" the likes of Diabolos and other powerful voidsent are considering that destroying their vessels would not necessarily destroy their souls and other instances of killing voidsent refer to it as simply "banishing them back to the void".

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For Diabolos specifically the answer seems to be 'he's probably alive', given that he seemed to get dragged into the Diablo Armament in the Dalriada. Although it's also worth saying that there's no evidence that was definitely Diabolos, we just don't have other suspects.

I thought the official line with the Diablo Armament was "It's a different Diablos that got trapped by the Allagans".

The Diablo Armament was a "simulation" of Diabolos created by the Allagans somehow recording his soul's wavelengths from when he was summoned in their era then using that data to transform a dragon into him.

Still, given what we know about how the soul and body share a bond, I feel like it's possible that the voidsent who are summoned through vessels may simply end up having their souls yanked back into their real bodies in the 13th if they "die" on the Source. I'm honestly expecting to see some familiar faces in whatever dungeon we're liable to get in 6.2.

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Originally Posted by KageTokage

The Mhachi were mentioned as having their strongest magi offer themselves up as vessels for powerful voidsent, though that was in a manner that made them very dead and wasn't "safe" like how reapers utilize Enshroud as that only permits a small portion of a voidsent's essence to cross over, but nonetheless runs the risk of the same outcome as the former method if the wielder is reckless and allows their will to falter.

It does make question me just how "dead" the likes of Diabolos and other powerful voidsent are considering that destroying their vessels would not necessarily destroy their souls and other instances of killing voidsent refer to it as simply "banishing them back to the void".

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The RDM questline elaborates on how a line of Mhachi sorcerers made a covenant with a Voidsent through ingesting her blood. This is all more than slightly reminiscent of RPR's abilities, right down to siphoning life essence and the accompanying spell effects.

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Aside from the connection itself, the most notable thing about this is that the guy who was supporting Lambard and his proto-RPR research was none other than Zenos himself. So the fact that he shows up as a Reaper in Endwalker should come as no surprise, considering he's obviously been interested in this Voidsent stuff for years already.