One House Per Data Center

Square, I am sick and tired of entire housing wards belonging to one person. Sick and tired of hearing people brag about how they're going to get multiple houses for themselves. There should only be one house per data center and that's it. That's what should be fair.

LOL should have seen this one coming. Let's move the goal posts further. Got an apartment or an FC room? Well there's your housing, cannot own or buy a personal house or FC house. In an FC with a house? You can't even buy an FC room, your FC has a house! That should be enough.

Or... we could just ask SE to please reconsider how they go about doing player housing and design something that works for everyone and stop making it a finite resource.

YES!! Another post about the housing and how bad it is!!

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Originally Posted by Greyhawk

YES!! Another post about the housing and how bad it is!!

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I know!! I love hearing the same complaint 100 times a week! It's great!! Everything is fine!!

I don't meant to sound snide, so don't take it that way but please, please, go touch some grass. Smell some flowers.

This is not the way. Though... why am I even surprised? Bruteforcing the lottery was never the endgame, right?

There would be absolutely nothing wrong with Square Enix retroactively removing multiple plot ownership from previous rulesets. Give the individuals or FCs that own multiple plots 30-days to decide what they want to keep so the others can be vacated or auto demolished. Implement a calamity salvager function for housing plot items so nothing is lost either. If there's no response, just auto demolish based from newest to oldest until one plot is left. SE should even encourage users to be proactive about this up rewarding free game time as that at least offsets some of the negative PR.

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Originally Posted by Johners

There would be absolutely nothing wrong with Square Enix retroactively removing multiple plot ownership from previous rulesets..

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You're joking right? Nothing wrong? Seriously anyone following the rules shouldn't be penalized because they change them. They will not retroactively enforce new rules they will only apply to new purchases.

You all need to get over your take away crusade this is nothing new here and the director has already made the decision to grandfather.

Even with the new rules they are allowing purchases on other servers and data centers when they certainty had the opportunity to limit purchases to one per account.

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

You're joking right? Nothing wrong? Seriously anyone following the rules shouldn't be penalized because they change them. They will not retroactively enforce new rules they will only apply to new purchases.

You all need to get over your take away crusade this is nothing new here and the director has already made the decision to grandfather.

Even with the new rules they are allowing purchases on other servers and data centers when they certainty had the opportunity to limit purchases to one per account.

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I’m entirely serious. Until they can design a housing system that’s not limited, they actually have to make the decisions to ensure a heavily limited housing system is as equal as possible for the player base that’s grown much faster than available plots.

If we stopped getting band aid fixes on top of each other and an actual roadmap to improve all aspects of the system, including things like the asinine restrictions on placing certain objects, we wouldn’t need this discussion anyway. For a system that the community and SE champion so much, it’s hard to actually have faith in what they’re doing to improve it when the communication sucks unless they’re apologising to us (see 6 blog posts on raffles as a prime example of this).

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Originally Posted by Johners

I’m entirely serious. Until they can design a housing system that’s not limited, they actually have to make the decisions to ensure a heavily limited housing system is as equal as possible for the player base that’s grown much faster than available plots.

If we stopped getting band aid fixes on top of each other and an actual roadmap to improve all aspects of the system, including things like the asinine restrictions on placing certain objects, we wouldn’t need this discussion anyway. For a system that the community and SE champion so much, it’s hard to actually have faith in what they’re doing to improve it when the communication sucks unless they’re apologising to us (see 6 blog posts on raffles as a prime example of this).

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The thing is, they aren't going to. This has been hashed and rehashed in dozens of posts on this forum over the years and they have said repeatedly they are not going to do this.

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Originally Posted by HarperI

...There should only be one house per data center and that's it. That's what should be fair.

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How about just not making a shitty system worse? Direct your energy at asking SE for more and better housing instead of thinking up more punishment in the name of fairness. That's the one true fair path.

Edit: And to explain this further, hopefully so a few people understand better, the more we call to punish people to make housing more exclusive, the more likely SE is to mistake our calls and do just that, make housing harder to get.

Because that's what they will think we want!

Instead, put all energy into asking for better and more housing. Which gives no mixed messages to Yoshi-P that we like this exclusive, hard to get trophy housing. Make it clear we need more housing to go around - using whatever method they can do it with - but do it avoiding suggestion that make restrictions worse.

Let's move away from "we love housing extreme so much, but now let's make it harder for people so we can do Housing Ultimate!"

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Originally Posted by Shibi

How about just not making a shitty system worse? Direct your energy at asking SE for more and better housing instead of thinking up more punishment in the name of fairness. That's the one true fair path.

Edit: And to explain this further, hopefully so a few people understand better, the more we call to punish people to make housing more exclusive, the more likely SE is to mistake our calls and do just that, make housing harder to get.

Because that's what they will think we want!

Instead, put all energy into asking for better and more housing. Which gives no mixed messages to Yoshi-P that we like this exclusive, hard to get trophy housing. Make it clear we need more housing to go around - using whatever method they can do it with - but do it avoiding suggestion that make restrictions worse.

Let's move away from "we love housing extreme so much, but now let's make it harder for people so we can do Housing Ultimate!"

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Your argument falls apart after the first sentence. I totally agree that Square Enix should work to improve the housing system but unless they're willing to move away from the current ward system, they should be enforcing the one house rule for every character or FC, including retroactive application onto the existing ruleset.

The size of the player base has grown at a much faster rate than the total number of available plots even with the addition of an entirely new housing area. Combine that with legacy scenarios of individuals or FCs owning multiple plots, and there's clearly not enough for everyone. Even with retroactive application there wouldn't be enough but at least it would provide more opportunities for the newer players to land a proper housing plot (Harry Potter cupboard apartments or FC rooms don't count unless those get proper improvements as well). There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Realistically I'd like to see this:

• One personal plot per DC per game license
• One house-owning FC per DC per game license
• 30 or 60 auto demolition timer that's only skipped for the first occurance after an expansion launches
• Improvements to apartments/FC rooms so there's a second room and a balcony/greenhouse for planting onions
• Improvements to customisation options for placing objects so less/no glitching is required
• To follow on from above, a specific customisation option to remove those interior pillars on the walls

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Originally Posted by Johners

There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.[/LIST]

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But do you know that this specific "FC" you are reffering to is not only one FC and not only one Subscription? I mean before you gonna laughed at for your Strawman.

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Originally Posted by Nepentha

LOL should have seen this one coming. Let's move the goal posts further. Got an apartment or an FC room? Well there's your housing, cannot own or buy a personal house or FC house. In an FC with a house? You can't even buy an FC room, your FC has a house! That should be enough.

Or... we could just ask SE to please reconsider how they go about doing player housing and design something that works for everyone and stop making it a finite resource.

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That's baby levels, what SE should be doing is one house per IP :P Alternatively, one house per real-life ID.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

That's baby levels, what SE should be doing is one house per IP :P Alternatively, one house per real-life ID.

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Plz provide logins for any other MMOs you play to show if you own housing on them. Then, 3 forms of ID, including birth certificate. Fingerprints, and wait 48 hours for a background check to be processed. *Then* you might get a house if it shows you don't own any houses on the game anywhere, and are also not a multi home owner on any other MMO.

Edit: I am kidding in case anyone actually thinks I am being serious.

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Originally Posted by Johners

Your argument falls apart after the first sentence. I totally agree that Square Enix should work to improve the housing system but unless they're willing to move away from the current ward system, they should be enforcing the one house rule for every character or FC, including retroactive application onto the existing ruleset.

The size of the player base has grown at a much faster rate than the total number of available plots even with the addition of an entirely new housing area. Combine that with legacy scenarios of individuals or FCs owning multiple plots, and there's clearly not enough for everyone. Even with retroactive application there wouldn't be enough but at least it would provide more opportunities for the newer players to land a proper housing plot (Harry Potter cupboard apartments or FC rooms don't count unless those get proper improvements as well). There's an FC on Chaos DC that owns 59 of 60 plots in a single housing ward which is entirely unnecessary. I know it, you know it, everyone knows it.

Realistically I'd like to see this:

• One personal plot per DC per game license
• One house-owning FC per DC per game license
• 30 or 60 auto demolition timer that's only skipped for the first occurance after an expansion launches
• Improvements to apartments/FC rooms so there's a second room and a balcony/greenhouse for planting onions
• Improvements to customisation options for placing objects so less/no glitching is required
• To follow on from above, a specific customisation option to remove those interior pillars on the walls

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One house per DC. Halone give me strength, you cannot possibly enforce that. Especially with FCs. Nor should they. This is ridiculous that we have players actually advocating to take away things from people who got them within the rules at the time. Energies are better spent elsewhere, because SE has said more than once that they have no intention of reversing the grandfathering decision.

I don't care how much you want this to happen. The solution isn't to take away. The solution is to increase supply, even if it's done by re-thinking how housing is done and building a new system that is all inclusive without this artificial scarcity.

Can alts still buy FC houses, regardless of how many homes they own, in any fashion, on other characters?

If yes, housing is still critically broken.

If no, then the new system seems acceptable.

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Originally Posted by Drkdays

Can alts still buy FC houses, regardless of how many homes they own, in any fashion, on other characters?

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As far as I know, yes, each character can own both a personal and FC house.

They really should make a limit of one personal and one FC house per data center, per account, going forward. While there are people abusing the system, it's best to not punish legitimate players who were able to get multiple plots in the past following the rules of the time.

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Originally Posted by Illmaeran

As far as I know, yes, each character can own both a personal and FC house.

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No alts can't buy a personal house if the main owns a personal house on a particular server. The intent was one FC and one private but FC's are being abused by abusing the leadership privilege's.

Back in 4.2 the rules changed to allow only one private house per account per server. That is working as intended. I think it's important to point out that alts still can't share a house with their main which is totally ridiculous.

there is a simple fix but it wont be popular ..

remove the current housing system and simply put a few instanced lots with a yard scattered through major cities !!

that will fix housing straight away .. no more lotto exploiting no more dark web sales no more placard grinding no more lack of server space for all these wards and everyone can buy a lot !!

also if there is a yard and a reasonable size inside there will be plenty of room to design your house using all the same indoor and outdoor furniture ohh and the workshops for fc's !!

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Originally Posted by LaylaTsarra

No alts can't by a personal house if the main owns a personal house on a particular server.

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Thank God for that.

I agree, all characters from the same account on the same data center should have full access/permissions to the house the player owns. Having to use the FC bank any time I want to send things from my crafter to the homeowner's a right pain. It would be so much nicer if I could just use him to do the decorating.

One per data center still doesn't solve the supply problem when it's estimated there are up to 2 million active players (personally I think the number is about half that - players forget the unofficial census is for characters, not accounts).

We have 73 worlds across 9 data centers, each world with 7200 houses. That's 525,600 houses game-wide, less than the estimated number of active players and not including the number of FCs competing for those houses. Those numbers will be gradually increased to 93 worlds across 12 data centers and 669.600 houses over the next 16 months (if SE is able to keep to their tentative schedule that was announced back in January).

SE is going to continue to prioritize FCs for housing. Expect 40% of the houses to end up in FC hands. That leaves about 400,000 houses for personal use.

Depending on what you believe the current number of active accounts is, you're looking at enough houses for 20-40% of players. Give players the chance to get one house per data center and the percentage of players able to get a house drops even further as more players try to take advantage of the ability to get multiple houses. Each additional house a single player gets is one less player able to get a house at all.

If there is one million active players split evenly across all 93 worlds, SE would need to increase the number of wards (with subdivisions) per world to 180 just so every player could have a single house per account. If there are two million active players, it would require 360 wards per world.

To allow players up to 8 houses per account (keeping in mind that entry subscriptions have a limit of 8 characters), it would require 1440-2880 wards per world.

To allow players up to 12 houses per account (one per data center), it would require 2160-4320 wards per world.

And all those numbers don't include the number of houses and wards that would also need to be set aside for FC use.

It will not work. The numbers involved are too large to be sustainable using a ward system. There will always be players left out.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

How about just not making a shitty system worse? Direct your energy at asking SE for more and better housing instead of thinking up more punishment in the name of fairness. That's the one true fair path.

Edit: And to explain this further, hopefully so a few people understand better, the more we call to punish people to make housing more exclusive, the more likely SE is to mistake our calls and do just that, make housing harder to get.

Because that's what they will think we want!

Instead, put all energy into asking for better and more housing. Which gives no mixed messages to Yoshi-P that we like this exclusive, hard to get trophy housing. Make it clear we need more housing to go around - using whatever method they can do it with - but do it avoiding suggestion that make restrictions worse.

Let's move away from "we love housing extreme so much, but now let's make it harder for people so we can do Housing Ultimate!"

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So you don't like the lottery system and FC's being 30 days old before a buy and that transfer of leadership also require someone to have been member for 30 days aka... you need 2 months to resell an FC and make yourself more visible?

And also indirectly telling that 'clicking' a placecard untill it opens is better or have bots doing it for you is a good idea.

I don't see the point to down vote current lottery system and new rules especially in how to do the new ways of FC's run, would even suggest to enhance the system that all 4 members before buying a house also need 30 FC days on their back.

Current system is good, more houses later and more wards will open up for personal housing as well, as in how they did previous times.

House flippers do not care about the 30 day requirement- hell, this whole messed up situation just gave them more time to make their pixelated real estate more attractive to a potential buyer.


I am for the lottery, given it works, over the old click system- but honestly, until everyone can acquire a home (instanced housing or endless wards)- the system is never going to "work as intended". Found this yesterday- I cringe to think how hard it may be to get an FC plot on the next lottery round due to flippers.



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