To the one who left the CT Alliance before we even started...

I salute your sacrifice to take the 30 minute debuff so the rest of us could quit it without penalty.

Maybe if they slotted that one into the MSQ roulette people would have more intention to stay. I for one will not do an alliance raid roulette with it ever again. I want a different raid for once.

You're welcome.

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Originally Posted by Renalt

I salute your sacrifice to take the 30 minute debuff so the rest of us could quit it without penalty.

Maybe if they slotted that one into the MSQ roulette people would have more intention to stay. I for one will not do an alliance raid roulette with it ever again. I want a different raid for once.

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Then...uh...que for a specific raid series? Not that hard. Oh but you want the sweet sweet rewards and exp from the roulette? Well if you want the rewards then you have to suffer, roulette is meant to make old content playable and since CT is the first raid newbies and people who need it for ShB will come across it's just normal that there is a higher demand for CT runs.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Then...uh...que for a specific raid series? Not that hard. Oh but you want the sweet sweet rewards and exp from the roulette? Well if you want the rewards then you have to suffer, roulette is meant to make old content playable and since CT is the first raid newbies and people who need it for ShB will come across it's just normal that there is a higher demand for CT runs.

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Please... CT is the most braindead easy alliance raid everyone loves to ilvl cheese and thats why we get the majority of those runs. This coin has two sides. But rest assured, unless it lands standing up, either side will land you on a CT run. They should fix that raid.

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Originally Posted by Ath192

Please... CT is the most braindead easy alliance raid everyone loves to ilvl cheese and thats why we get the majority of those runs. This coin has two sides. But rest assured, unless it lands standing up, either side will land you on a CT run. They should fix that raid.

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Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

there is a higher demand for CT runs.

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Yeah, sure.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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That would be nice.

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Yeah, sure.

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They aren't wrong, it's part of MSQ. You almost always have a new person in every run.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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yes! make Lota great again!

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

They aren't wrong, it's part of MSQ. You almost always have a new person in every run.

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Willful ignorance is always funny.

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Willful ignorance is always funny.

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I'm glad you can poke fun at yourself, it's healthy.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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They could also severely improve EXP acquisition for completing the more recent ones. sub 15min CT Raids is infinitely better than 40ish min Nier Raids.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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Is it truly about the mechanics or about the repetition?

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Originally Posted by Faafetai

yes! make Lota great again!

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CT is worse off than lota really, you completely skip the entirety of the first 2 bosses mechanics.

People haven't seen those since... Early heavensward, if not earlier.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Then...uh...que for a specific raid series? Not that hard. Oh but you want the sweet sweet rewards and exp from the roulette? Well if you want the rewards then you have to suffer, roulette is meant to make old content playable and since CT is the first raid newbies and people who need it for ShB will come across it's just normal that there is a higher demand for CT runs.

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Whenever I do these, I typically do see a lot of first timers to it, so it's not really just people forcing the raid to pop for sure.

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Is it truly about the mechanics or about the repetition?

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I enjoy all of the 24man raids. I don't think I've ever dropped one barring emergencies.

If you didn't play during 2.0, you likely have never seen any mechanics from the first 2 bosses of CT.

They are completely ignored and blown past due to ilvl gains and potency gains.

While doing the Anima Weapon thing, I found doing CT or any other level 50 24 man raid was also a fast way to get poetics rather than *just* running something like Paglth'an over and over again to break it up a bit. That, and with it being a part of MSQ could be a reason for it's popularity. It's just quick and easy for the rewards given. I agree that they should try to up the rewards for the raids that take longer.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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CT be all
https://youtu.be/0RkapfBYIfc

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CT be all
https://youtu.be/0RkapfBYIfc

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This reminds me why I am slightly happy we don't have in game chat even if it was just in dungeons >.< I do miss callouts in csgo

I do not miss the weirdest of noises and horrible mic quality assaulting the senses occationally. It did wake me up if I were dozing off.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

CT is worse off than lota really, you completely skip the entirety of the first 2 bosses mechanics.

People haven't seen those since... Early heavensward, if not earlier.

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aye I must agree after seeing the timey whimey mechanics. lota just sounded better for the flow of the meme. I really want to join a group with min ilvl to see all of the mechanics for all of them. The only time I have seen some mechanics randomly is when there are a lot of newbies in fresh job gear, and the occasional world of darkness savage (where everyone seems like they are warming up for the day and you spend most of the time raising until your oom).

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Willful ignorance is always funny.

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Well then, laugh.

didn't re-queue?

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Then...uh...que for a specific raid series? Not that hard. Oh but you want the sweet sweet rewards and exp from the roulette? Well if you want the rewards then you have to suffer, roulette is meant to make old content playable and since CT is the first raid newbies and people who need it for ShB will come across it's just normal that there is a higher demand for CT runs.

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Why don't you just queue for CT specifically since you like it so much? Oh but you want the sweet sweet rewards and exp from the roulette? Well if you want the rewards then you have to suffer, roulette is meant to fill queues, but unfortunately people are cheesing because "uuuu mechanics are scawy" and have panic attacks every time they're above level 50.

I do not mind getting CT Raids in roulette, so long as somebody genuinely need it.

It does irks me however, when I zone in, saw nobody’s being first timer but then spotted that player queue’d in naked.

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Originally Posted by Rein_eon_Osborne

I do not mind getting CT Raids in roulette, so long as somebody genuinely need it.

It does irks me however, when I zone in, saw nobody’s being first timer but then spotted that player queue’d in naked.

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Just because there is no first timer doesn't mean you got CT because ilvl cheese.

Get a level 59 or below in any alliance? -> CT
Get someone who didn't unlock any other (like me) -> CT

If you are in a CT raid with someone who cheesed their ilvl you'd still be in the same raid without them queueing.

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Originally Posted by Scaramouche

Just because there is no first timer doesn't mean you got CT because ilvl cheese.

Get a level 59 or below in any alliance? -> CT
Get someone who didn't unlock any other (like me) -> CT

If you are in a CT raid with someone who cheesed their ilvl you'd still be in the same raid without them queueing.

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Oh definitely. I'm not talking about those. I even said I don't mind if people genuinely need my presence and 22 other players to clear it for whatever reason.

I see it as a loss for players who do not unlock later raids because I personally enjoy them, but to each their own. They deprive themselves from certain content, its loots (minions, glamours etc), & potential chain of contents (Ivalice leading to BSF) in order to keep the easy CT roulette. By all means, go ahead.
A level 50-59 queueing will definitely guarantee one of the CT raid as per the roulette system. I wouldn't mald over that, they need the experience.

But a naked/lv1 glamour gear player spotted in LotA/ST starting area? Yeah, no. Those what irks me: it implies they have attempted to cheese the ilv system.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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Uh no. If I get CT for the daily roulette, I stay only because CT is quick. I get my reward and can then queue for something specific and more interesting which wouldn’t be possible if CT was long. Even with iLvl synch, we would still get a lot of CT raids because they are part of MSQ, all the other raids have optional unlocks, there are zillions of quests between the time you unlock the CT series and the time you can unlock the next raid and some later quests (Bozja) can send you back to CT. Even if someone has finished EW with all unlocks, they can also be levelling a new job and haven’t reached a high enough level for the next raid tier. In the end, CT would just take longer and more would quit.

Having to do CT everyday sucks but that's never going to change ( even if they fix the cheese ). CT is the only 24 man required for MSQ. It's the only one some people will ever unlock.

So, let me get this straight... you want to not get one of the fastest and easiest roulette AR's?

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Originally Posted by Havenchild

They could also severely improve EXP acquisition for completing the more recent ones. sub 15min CT Raids is infinitely better than 40ish min Nier Raids.

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It would have to be a lot to make people not do CT since it's so much quicker.

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Originally Posted by Youkulm

Having to do CT everyday sucks but that's never going to change ( even if they fix the cheese ). CT is the only 24 man required for MSQ. It's the only one some people will ever unlock.

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You don't have to do it every day...

They need to give more gil reward for doing CT...... or just nerf the ilvl for CT, its a little too high

I've surprisingly not gotten a CT raid in roulettes for awhile now. It's almost always the final NieR raid lately, which I don't mind cause I've never rolled over a 20 on the 9S minion.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Ilvl syncs. 90 for lota, 110 for CT. Make people do mechanics again lol.

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Give me a min ilvl roulette while you're at it. Haha

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Originally Posted by TsuchinokoPanda

I've surprisingly not gotten a CT raid in roulettes for awhile now. It's almost always the final NieR raid lately, which I don't mind cause I've never rolled over a 20 on the 9S minion.

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Honestly depends for me. There are times it is just weeks of CT but sometimes I get all different raids in a single week. Sadly no Aglaia since 6.1 and as a tank queuing there takes forever...

My own experience is that CT comes up more often than not, but I still do get a steady supply of the other raids as well, and varies week to week. I just hate getting CT raids because I like to do mechanics. WoD is actually more fun than Voidark for this reason.

Retuning these instances should be a common occurrence as new patches are released. Making mechanics a thing again for lower level raids would immediately stop players from ilvl cheesing the roulette. You nail two birds with one stone.

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You don't have to do it every day...

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I don't, thanks for your concern. Just talking about why people see it so much when they run roulettes and why that is unlikely to change anytime soon. Sorry you missed the point, ill try to be more clear next time.

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Originally Posted by Ranaku

Then...uh...que for a specific raid series? Not that hard. Oh but you want the sweet sweet rewards and exp from the roulette? Well if you want the rewards then you have to suffer, roulette is meant to make old content playable and since CT is the first raid newbies and people who need it for ShB will come across it's just normal that there is a higher demand for CT runs.

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Way to assume that everyone only goes for the rewards. I was initially attracted to the roulettes for the idea of variety since there's so much content in this game. Wanting to get a specific raid isn't the point. Not getting the same raid group almost every single time is the point. Out of all the roulettes I've queued for in the last 6 months, I've gotten CT raids for almost all of them.

Having to queue for a specific raid just to get something different defeats the purpose of having a roulette in the first place.

The roulette system needs some sort of mechanism to keep you from getting the same one you did the last time. Getting Syrcus 10 times in a row is really stupid. I get the whole "filling the need" argument that always gets brought up, but I'm already not filling the need if I simply opt out of using the roulette in the first place because I'm sick of the same thing every day.

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I've surprisingly not gotten a CT raid in roulettes for awhile now. It's almost always the final NieR raid lately, which I don't mind cause I've never rolled over a 20 on the 9S minion.

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Clearly all those ilvl cheesers are taking up the CT spots and forcing you into higher level raids.

I always make sure its the last roulette of the day so i can just leave.

Crystal Tower is embarrassing in its current form. it definitely needs the Castrum Meridanum/Praetorium treatment.

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Why don't you just queue for CT specifically since you like it so much? Oh but you want the sweet sweet rewards and exp from the roulette? Well if you want the rewards then you have to suffer, roulette is meant to fill queues, but unfortunately people are cheesing because "uuuu mechanics are scawy" and have panic attacks every time they're above level 50.

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Unlike some "others" here i don't have a problem with either WoD or CT or Labyrinth. So yes i like my sweet sweet rewards and i do whatever the roulette may give me, unlike some others. But i see you don't get my point at all and you most certainly don't know how to reverse an argument so it works against the originator.

And i know some people cheese the roulette with lowering their itemlevel so low that only a CT/Labyrinth run is possible for them. But as for me, i see in all my runs newbies and only one of them is enough to trigger a raid roulette and it is a fact that more people queue (out of need) for the CT raid series than for the other raids cause they are not mandatory for the MSQ nor are they the first raid newbies come across.

But as for me my conscience is clear which is the reason why your argument there isn't working at all, i do every raid/dungeon i come across in roulette no matter if it's Orbonne when Cidolfus was still a wipefest or dungeons where the tank decides to pull a single group of mobs at a time. Heck i even helped a poor soul out that ran Paradigm's Breach eleven times to get the popola set by not rolling on it when it actually dropped. But i guess, judging from your reaction, you can't say the same about yourself. Cause being a nice person is too "scawy" i guess.

So better luck next time you try to make an argument for yourself, you clearly still need to learn the mechanics of that...or are they too "scawy" for you?

Edit: To explain it in a TL:DR way, CT raids are heavily favored by design. They are A) mandatory for the MSQ B) the first raid people come across C) the only raid unlocked by character boosts by default and D) players who only unlocked the CT raid and do their roulettes will always trigger a CT roulette by design since they can't get any other raid at that point. So if you have even 1 person in roulette queue that only has CT and Labyrinth unlocked it will trigger a CT run.

The only way a different raid can trigger is by either all people that the matchmaker throws into a group having unlocked all other raids OR a person that specifically queues for another raid than CT and waits longer than all other people, since the roulette prefers to give the player with the highest waiting time the group.

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Unlike some "others" here i don't have a problem with either WoD or CT or Labyrinth. So yes i like my sweet sweet rewards and i do whatever the roulette may give me, unlike some others. But i see you don't get my point at all and you most certainly don't know how to reverse an argument so it works against the originator.

And i know some people cheese the roulette with lowering their itemlevel so low that only a CT/Labyrinth run is possible for them. But as for me, i see in all my runs newbies and only one of them is enough to trigger a raid roulette and it is a fact that more people queue (out of need) for the CT raid series than for the other raids cause they are not mandatory for the MSQ nor are they the first raid newbies come across.

But as for me my conscience is clear which is the reason why your argument there isn't working at all, i do every raid/dungeon i come across in roulette no matter if it's Orbonne when Cidolfus was still a wipefest or dungeons where the tank decides to pull a single group of mobs at a time. Heck i even helped a poor soul out that ran Paradigm's Breach eleven times to get the popola set by not rolling on it when it actually dropped. But i guess, judging from your reaction, you can't say the same about yourself. Cause being a nice person is too "scawy" i guess.

So better luck next time you try to make an argument for yourself, you clearly still need to learn the mechanics of that...or are they too "scawy" for you?

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Shockingly, some people want to have fun playing the video game Final Fantasy 14. Unfortunately, when a roulette only gives you three possible results out of what, 13 now? alliance raids 99% of the time it stops being fun. Especially when literally every jobs rotation at 50 is such boring garbage that people would rather leave than spam 1-2-3 for 10 minutes straight with absolutely 0 real mechanics going out. Why be bored out of your mind for 10 minutes when you can have fun for 30 minutes?

You can brag all you want about how you did a good deed this one time, but the moment you brag about it is the moment it stops being a good deed.