the mod/addon is getting out of hand and is spreading to other platforms JUST STOP!!

Folks need to chill the hell out, this has gone too far and you're doing things outside of SE purview to do some really shady stuff just to control the narrative. The savage raiding community in response to people who oppose mods/addons use by the savage raiding community, by getting photos that are not modded tagged with sensitive content flags on Twitter and harassing and reporting folks on Reddit for this, then using the external reporting system to get them banned in-game. This problem sits squarely on the savage raiding community's shoulders, the rest of the community didn't cause this problem you the aforementioned group did, and they are doing all this to quash dissent and to deflect the heat they are taking. Take responsibility for your actions! I and others know your all are false flagging and using the external reporting system as a weapon to shut down other people's voices who voiced opposition to your opinion on using addons/mods even I was hit with it over a kitten gif that had the caption of "moo" today, so keep playing these games off-platform with people and the term "F around and find out" might happen. The savage raiders' actions cause more problems than good for everyone and no matter what you folks spin it. It only goes to show the actions you and others take outside of SE's prevue to get rid of people in-game will cause this community to break down even more so you folks can continue to raid. I hope you are happy because it is not going to last much longer. Not only are you folks represent less than 2% of the community who push the envelope, but you folks broke the seal on it, and this is the direct result of it so in response, you are targeting people (Me included) that have a dissenting opinion about the mods/addons, an issue that the savage raiding community created. at the same time. SE should have made this issue (that the savage raiders created btw) crystal clear when this issue crept up back in 2020 so there so part of the fault rests on them too. Never in all my time gaming have I seen such irresponsible, selfish, elitist behavior from a group of individuals in my life. I bet if SE designed the not to let mods or addons access the servers at all you would A: Not play or B: find a way to make mods and addons work just to violate TOS and EULA still to get an advantage over the rest of the population.

This is mostly how all of this started. Someone from jp got mass reported with evidence being Twitch. If I am remembering correctly mods or gm's within the game are not suppose to be watching someone's stream so they could see when they wipe in their savage prog and pull them into Gaol to tell them they are banned for 10 days because they have proof they are using plug ins. I highly doubt they have that information displayed in game anywhere unless they spoke about it within the game to someone who reported them after they admitted to using a mod or plug in. I don't think this is the case a bunch of people reported someone for having plug ins after the statement made on the jp ffxiv news, they spread it on 5ch and they mass reported someone. That someone was banned for 10 days they didn't even get the first offense warning either as they are suppose to even with evidence.

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This is mostly how all of this started. Someone from jp got mass reported with evidence being Twitch. If I am remembering correctly mods or gm's within the game are not suppose to be watching someone's stream so they could see when they wipe in their savage prog and pull them into Gaol to tell them they are banned for 10 days because they have proof they are using plug ins. I highly doubt they have that information displayed in game anywhere unless they spoke about it within the game to someone who reported them after they admitted to using a mod or plug in.

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That has never been stated as policy.


The policy was no user submitted videos or screenshot of outside sources as those can be edited.


The person themself streaming is not editable lol.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That has never been stated as policy.


The policy was no user submitted videos or screenshot of outside sources as those can be edited.


The person themself streaming is not editable lol.

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BuT tWiTcH iS aN oUtSiDe SoUrCe""!2121

-Someone on the Forum who believes that Discord is now banned cuz third party.

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This problem sits squarely on the savage raiding community's shoulders

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It's literally the exact opposite. What brought mods to the attention of the dev team originally was modded and pornographic screenshots. "All the drama" is hilarious when the housing community sends the dev team death threats. You can pretend your casual toxicity doesn't exist, no one is falling for it. It is SE's own dumb decision to hurt their own free advertisement, this doesn't affect regular streamers or actually cheating at all. Don't you have some instagram screenshots to take?

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This is mostly how all of this started. Someone from jp got mass reported with evidence being Twitch. If I am remembering correctly mods or gm's within the game are not suppose to be watching someone's stream so they could see when they wipe in their savage prog and pull them into Gaol to tell them they are banned for 10 days because they have proof they are using plug ins. I highly doubt they have that information displayed in game anywhere unless they spoke about it within the game to someone who reported them after they admitted to using a mod or plug in. I don't think this is the case a bunch of people reported someone for having plug ins after the statement made on the jp ffxiv news, they spread it on 5ch and they mass reported someone. That someone was banned for 10 days they didn't even get the first offense warning either as they are suppose to even with evidence.

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stop pointing fingers. and take responsibility for your community's screw up

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It's literally the exact opposite. What brought mods to the attention of the dev team originally was modded and pornographic screenshots. "All the drama" is hilarious when the housing community sends the dev team death threats. You can pretend your casual toxicity doesn't exist, no one is falling for it. It is SE's own dumb decision to hurt their own free advertisement, this doesn't affect regular streamers or actually cheating at all. Don't you have some instagram screenshots to take?

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Stop pointing fingers this all stems from savage raiding folks wanting "an advantage" your excuses are not going to be tolerated anymore

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

It's literally the exact opposite. What brought mods to the attention of the dev team originally was modded and pornographic screenshots. "All the drama" is hilarious when the housing community sends the dev team death threats. You can pretend your casual toxicity doesn't exist, no one is falling for it. It is SE's own dumb decision to hurt their own free advertisement, this doesn't affect regular streamers or actually cheating at all. Don't you have some instagram screenshots to take?

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BS response from some who doesn't want to take responsibility for the fall out

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Stop pointing fingers this all stems from savage raiding folks wanting "an advantage" your excuses are not going to be tolerated anymore

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So you're just baiting, got it. I'll continue to use a UI that isn't from 2010 and you can continue having no idea how these tools work or are used.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That has never been stated as policy.


The policy was no user submitted videos or screenshot of outside sources as those can be edited.


The person themself streaming is not editable lol.

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Well..... Technically someone could whip up an OBS overlay that simulates ACT and other third party addons, would be a bit cumbersome but technically possible, but I get what you're saying.

It's getting out of hand because y'all are making it out of hand.

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Stop pointing fingers this all stems from savage raiding folks wanting "an advantage" your excuses are not going to be tolerated anymore

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You don't pay my sub tho

Why are you posting like everyone who does savage raids are part of a collective community?

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So you're just baiting, got it. I'll continue to use a UI that isn't from 2010 and you can continue having no idea how these tools work or are used.

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More deflecting and not taking responsibility, I was right about the self-centered part

stop deflecting your part of the problem.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That has never been stated as policy.


The policy was no user submitted videos or screenshot of outside sources as those can be edited.


The person themself streaming is not editable lol.

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I cannot even locate that anywhere. Was that policy mentioned during live letter or post?

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BuT tWiTcH iS aN oUtSiDe SoUrCe""!2121

-Someone on the Forum who believes that Discord is now banned cuz third party.

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You know.. I just made comment hmm ten minutes ago about how FF14 players are incredibly passive aggressive. Lack the stones to even quote who you are talking about, nice!

Twitch is
1.) Outside of the FF14 ecosystem.
2.) A source utilized to provide evidence for the banning of another.

Ergo Twitch == outside source. Using standard definitions.

Now reguardless of how I feel about the situation. Cannot find anything about them not accepting or accepting outside sources though. If someone has transcript of them stating this would you post it? Internet tis flooded with nothing but this current situation making looking this stuffs up a pain in the booty.

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stop pointing fingers. and take responsibility for your community's screw up

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What are you on?

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It's getting out of hand because y'all are making it out of hand.

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more deflecting

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I cannot even locate that anywhere. Was that policy mentioned during live letter or post?



You know.. I just made comment hmm ten minutes ago about how FF14 players are incredibly passive aggressive. Lack the stones to even quote who you are talking about, nice!

Twitch is
1.) Outside of the FF14 ecosystem.
2.) A source utilized to provide evidence for the banning of another.

Ergo Twitch == outside source. Using standard definitions.

Now reguardless of how I feel about the situation. Cannot find anything about them not accepting or accepting outside sources though. If someone has transcript of them stating this would you post it? Internet tis flooded with nothing but this current situation making looking this stuffs up a pain in the booty.



What are you on?

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I'm not on anything I am just tired of these folks causing the problem and pointing fingers at everyone else but themselves for this entire problem.

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stop pointing fingers. and take responsibility for your community's screw up

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The community can do whatever they want honestly, I am watching everyone eat each other over simple things. They are not really my community, no offense to everyone. I don't interact with people in a large environment. The only community I could somewhat say I am super involved in is dark souls, and even for that it is only like 5 posts of reddit to help someone through a boss fight. No offense but this thread makes me glad I don't interact more with people. Everyone can go scorched earth for all I care, I am not involved. I was only stating this is probably why. People are taking things to dumb levels and I am sure every time a ton of people report someone and show the gm's twitch they will ban every person on the platform because they are clearly doing their job without seeing that people are abusing the report function.

Personally I just want to be able to see my damage numbers without worrying someone will report me for even looking at them or speaking about them. I have been cave manning it with copy and paste into word pad to see how much damage I do within a dungeon, in explorer mode, and stone, sea, and sky dummy smacking. I want to be able to use simple plug ins or mods like every other game I play. Even world of tanks let people have mods as long as they were verified and not creating a advantage within the competition. People will have a cow if I had a sound mod or something so I could hear the dark souls death sound every time I die. It would definitely be a moral booster for me, but not in any way cheating.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

That has never been stated as policy.


The policy was no user submitted videos or screenshot of outside sources as those can be edited.


The person themself streaming is not editable lol.

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I know I was considering having something that looked like a mod on my stream as well as audio calls for things so chat could use those. It would be seen as an add on. So it isn't editable but it can be misconstrued as evidence against someone. If one of my chat sounds or sub sounds was dynamo senpai, and someone played it while dynamo's was going off I could get banned. I was also thinking about adding something that integrated with the game so it would be in a separate window so people could see cooldowns who where watching. That is also apparently a plug in and could be mistaken as such. I would get a 10 day ban. This was probably why they were not going on a huge ban wave on twitch before.

It’s time for a nice long break from this community. It’s way too toxic lately. I just want to have fun. Witch-hunts are the opposite of fun. This isn’t even a competitive game. A world first race that was tracked using 3rd party tools. Otherwise, ppl are just trying to have fun and clear content with friends. This is ridiculous

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stop deflecting your part of the problem.

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Part of your problem, maybe. Which is a good thing.

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You don't pay my sub tho

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I don't and you most like don't as well. I don't want your group's bad choices to ruin my experience because you want an advantage

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Well..... Technically someone could whip up an OBS overlay that simulates ACT and other third party addons, would be a bit cumbersome but technically possible, but I get what you're saying.

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I mean, they would have to do it, with the data from the streamers combat info, party names, encounter, etc

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Originally Posted by Oldschoolegamer38

stop deflecting your part of the problem.

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I hope you know, you are amazing, and have given me some joy within my day. Every post I have read in this thread I pictured you sounding like Senator Armstrong.

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not contributing to the conversation

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I hope you know, you are amazing, and have given me some joy within my day. Every post I have read in this thread I pictured you sounding like Senator Armstrong.

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real nice personal attacks now since I was over the target, please child talk like an adult instead of a manbaby please

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Originally Posted by Deedlit

Part of your problem, maybe. Which is a good thing.

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talk about being intellectually dishonest with people

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I don't and you most like don't as well. I don't want your group's bad choices to ruin my experience because you want an advantage

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"your group" I own a group of savage raiders? Btw what are these advantages, just curious.

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real nice personal attacks now since I was over the target, please child talk like an adult instead of a manbaby please

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No I am serious. I mean this in the nicest way possible. It's not a personal attack I was genuine. You made my day. I know it might be hard with how weird people can be sometimes because usually being nice is being passive aggressive. I mean it. You are awesome.

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The community can do whatever they want honestly, I am watching everyone eat each other over simple things. They are not really my community, no offense to everyone. I don't interact with people in a large environment. The only community I could somewhat say I am super involved in is dark souls, and even for that it is only like 5 posts of reddit to help someone through a boss fight. No offense but this thread makes me glad I don't interact more with people. Everyone can go scorched earth for all I care, I am not involved. I was only stating this is probably why. People are taking things to dumb levels and I am sure every time a ton of people report someone and show the gm's twitch they will ban every person on the platform because they are clearly doing their job without seeing that people are abusing the report function.

Personally I just want to be able to see my damage numbers without worrying someone will report me for even looking at them or speaking about them. I have been cave manning it with copy and paste into word pad to see how much damage I do within a dungeon, in explorer mode, and stone, sea, and sky dummy smacking. I want to be able to use simple plug ins or mods like every other game I play. Even world of tanks let people have mods as long as they were verified and not creating a advantage within the competition. People will have a cow if I had a sound mod or something so I could hear the dark souls death sound every time I die. It would definitely be a moral booster for me, but not in any way cheating.



I know I was considering having something that looked like a mod on my stream as well as audio calls for things so chat could use those. It would be seen as an add on. So it isn't editable but it can be misconstrued as evidence against someone. If one of my chat sounds or sub sounds was dynamo senpai, and someone played it while dynamo's was going off I could get banned. I was also thinking about adding something that integrated with the game so it would be in a separate window so people could see cooldowns who where watching. That is also apparently a plug in and could be mistaken as such. I would get a 10 day ban. This was probably why they were not going on a huge ban wave on twitch before.

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wow, what a way to deflect what is going to make yourself look good..

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It’s time for a nice long break from this community. It’s way too toxic lately. I just want to have fun. Witch-hunts are the opposite of fun. This isn’t even a competitive game. A world first race that was tracked using 3rd party tools. Otherwise, ppl are just trying to have fun and clear content with friends. This is ridiculous

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I feel you on this...

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Originally Posted by Canadane

Why are you posting like everyone who does savage raids are part of a collective community?

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Because when stuff like this happens it's the same people coming out and trying to deflect all that happens and orbiters like you come in to reinforce it.

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So you're just baiting, got it. I'll continue to use a UI that isn't from 2010 and you can continue having no idea how these tools work or are used.

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but you are going to get banned eventually.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

"your group" I own a group of savage raiders? Btw what are these advantages, just curious.

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Stop playing word games and taking small parts out of context on purpose. and you damn well know what they are so stop being intellectually dishonest with people your not smart.

It's sad to see people defending themselves about their use of 3RD Party Programs, Addons, and Mods.

"But it doesn't affect you personally."

"You don't need to use them, if you don't like them."

"The current UI is old."

"These are mostly QoL Addons, anyways."

Don't like the rules in the ToS? No one is forcing you to play, a game with rules you don't agree with. You can all post threads about how you'll be unsubbing unless they allow Addons, ect. if you want.

I'm sure that the community, and SE, will recover from losing people who require Addons, ect. to be good at end-game content.

I hear that there is another large MMO game out there, that encourages the use of Addons, UI Mods, and alike. I bet they would just love having so many pro gamers, come over and showcase their strengths in raiding w/ addons.

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Stop playing word games and taking small parts out of context on purpose. and you damn well know what they are so stop being intellectually dishonest with people your not smart.

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lol I'm not being intellectually dishonest with anyone, I'm asking you what you think these advantages are

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wow, what a way to deflect what is going to make yourself look good..

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It's not really making myself good as it is admitting that I am an antisocial shut in that doesn't trust people. Also might respect rules for things at the detriment of my own well being. It was like this in school too. If the teacher said no cell phones in the school, I left it at home, same for work. I will suffer with small numbers on my hotbar until square says it is okay to be able to have a plug in that increases the size or way to move or increase the size of toast text and other useful things. I will sit here unable to adjust these things and continue to get a bit salty that someone put the work in already and square could just legit copy the plug in and put it into the game right now. The source code is so easy to find.

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It's sad to see people defending themselves about their use of 3RD Party Programs, Addons, and Mods.

"But it doesn't affect you personally."

"You don't need to use them, if you don't like them."

"The current UI is old."

"These are mostly QoL Addons, anyways."

Don't like the rules in the ToS? No one is forcing you to play, a game with rules you don't agree with. You can all post threads about how you'll be unsubbing unless they allow Addons, ect. if you want.

I'm sure that the community, and SE, will recover from losing people who require Addons, ect. to be good at end-game content.

I hear that there is another large MMO game out there, that encourages the use of Addons, UI Mods, and alike. I bet they would just love having so many pro gamers, come over and showcase their strengths in raiding w/ addons.

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They already allow add-ons lol, they always have. They've just told people to be discreet with them more-or-less once you get through corporate speak. And btw the amount of people who use addons are bigger than you think, it's not just raiders, but gposers/housers/rpers as well, so if they really wanted to implement an anti-cheat or something close to that, they're pretty much going to take out a huge population of people who have nothing to do with raiding lol. If you think they're going to start banning people enmasse for addons, you're crazy.

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They already allow add-ons lol, they always have. They've just told people to be discreet with them more-or-less once you get through corporate speak. And btw the amount of people who use addons are bigger than you think, it's not just raiders, but gposers/housers/rpers as well, so if they really wanted to implement an anti-cheat or something close to that, they're pretty much going to take out a huge population of people who have nothing to do with raiding lol. If you think they're going to start banning people enmasse for addons, you're crazy.

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Not only this but if they implement anything similar to what 7 day to die had it was flagging mouse software, graphics drivers that were out of date by a month, keyboard software, and other random things that had nothing to do with cheating. There was also a game that was flagging anything below windows 10, so if you tried to play the game it would prevent you until you installed windows 10 due to 'security risks' windows 7 may or may not have. I can't remember which game it was but remember not touching it with a ten foot pole.

Edit: I almost forgot one game was also flagging OBS as a cheating software.