Just give us a list of what addons we can use.

Cause I hear Gshade is okay. But that is still 3rd part.

And while we joke about the discord thing, that is a legit TOS breaker.

So we need a list of what is okay.

While we're at it, isn't Playstation Network 3rd party too? It has multiple functions that directly interfere with the game, friendlist, calls...
In all seriousness the crusade some people started with the mass reporting streamers goes too far, they are seriously harming people and this is full on malicious intend.

How about we focus on fixing the game...I know crazy idea right!

No, gshade is also against the ToS. So short answer, none. No addons are allowed. None are okay. Not a single mod or plugin.

Long answer, if it doesn't affect others in their gameplay like scripts that allow you to cheat in pvp and harassment of players with damage meters and all that it is TOLERATED BUT STILL NOT ALLOWED and you use it AT YOUR OWN RISK. They won't murder their whole playerbase, cause everyone nowdays is using some sort of mod or plugin, cause that would deal a huge blow to the stock and shareholders hate that and thus the company cause losing money is not what a company really likes. But only cause certain stuff is generally tolerated, IF YOU DON'T JUST GO TO TOWN WITH IT, doesn't mean they can't just decide to swing the banhammer to smite you. The streamer that set this hell lose we find ourselves in atm got too confident and was streaming with their damage meter tool VISIBLE ON THEIR STREAM WHILE THIS IS NOT NECESSARY.

There is also a difference between things that run outside of the game, like discord does. Discord has, if used right, no direct interaction with the game. Same as every other voicechat software. I mean SE isn't sending you to gaol cause you have youtube open or your browser, or cause you run your operating system besides the game. Tho if you run the Edge browser you definitely deserve gaol time.

So no, we need no list cause there won't be a list cause everything that interacts with the game itself and the data in and from it is a offense. It is not that hard to understand. If it interacts in any way with the data of the game, modifies gamefiles or reads data from the game to display something it is against the ToS. If a voicechat runs AS A SEPARATE SOFTWARE THAT DOESN'T INTERACT WITH ANY OF FFXIV DATA then it is allowed. Overlays ofc are again a modification of some sorts so not allowed but you can deactivate discord overlays easily.

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No, gshade is also against the ToS.

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YoshiP stated otherwise.

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YoshiP stated otherwise.

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Years ago, yeah. An update would be nice after the announcement yesterday.

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YoshiP stated otherwise.

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He's said a lot of things....

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They can't. They'd lose so much business so fast, and not just from NA or EU. JP, in particular, would go catatonic over the loss of housing addons.

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Sounds like their problem then.

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YoshiP stated otherwise.

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Yeah well i know of one statement of a community representative, Hvinire said it would be alright i think.

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Utilizing such a tool would not violate any agreements customers have with Square Enix, and we don't plan on doing anything to restrict users from accessing it.

However, we advise that players use this at their own risk. Square Enix does not regulate the content of the aforementioned add-on and will not be responsible for any damage or losses resulting from its use.

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There we go. Yeah that seems to be a problem since it is not clarified anywhere that these are alright. Which makes it really...well...unsafe cause they can decide without giving any notice that it's now not allowed anymore.

But yeah, reshade and gshade don't interact with the gamedata itself i believe but work through directx itself. Thus it doesn't interact with the gamedata itself BUT gshade as far as i know uses an overlay system for the game which would mean it does interact with gamedata since it starts automatically as soon as the game starts. Which would be a modification of the installation folder which would be, i say probably cause we don't know how SE sees this, probably a violation. But yeah that is speculation, we don't know it and it would be nice to get some fresh statements from the dev team/SE.

Technically none. No TexTools, QuickLauncher, nor GShade as they fall into the categories of affecting the game files and manipulating the files which breaks CoC.

Discord does not read or modify the memory, packets or files, so it's not a problem.

I think that GShade hacks the graphics library the game uses so it can make adjustments, but this library is used by almost every other game so you could argue that it's not hacking the game directly.

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Technically none. No TexTools, QuickLauncher, nor GShade as they fall into the categories of affecting the game files and manipulating the files which breaks CoC.

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As i said for gshade it is not really that clear cause the shaders don't modify gamedata but work through directx itself. Which was already said to be alright by the com rep i mentioned up there. But the overlay might be a modification that could be against the ToS.

Here is the list:

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They can't. They'd lose so much business so fast, and not just from NA or EU. JP, in particular, would go catatonic over the loss of housing addons.

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That’s a fallacy. You are suggesting that the only reason many players play is because of their add-ons. I’d suggest to you, instead, that most players don’t use them; that users are the minority.

How do I know this? Simple logic. You can’t use add-ons on the Playstation consoles. A good chunk (around half) of FF14 players are on console, so they’re unable to use them (a big part of the reason even QoL add-ons are against the ToS). Also, it stands to reason that fewer PC players use them than don’t, if only because not everyone is going to think to go looking for them to see what appeals to them. And of those who do, at least some are going to decide that none of them are worth using. Varied tastes in that regard, you know.

I’d like to say that add-on users are a small minority; but while reason suggests they are a minority (I’d be surprised if half of the PC players use them, reducing the most that could be to 25%) reason does not suggest how large or small that minorty may be.

Why should they give a list? Do you even know what that would imply?

Ignoring the fact of ToS or anything else like that, it would potentially mean the Dev team would need to allocate resources to test 3rd party programs to check that they do not interfere with the gameplay in a malicious way at all. Ontop of that, every time a mod would update, they would need to do it again, just to double check that nothing malicious was added after they had been approved.

You can say, well, SE do not take responsibility for 3rd party tools, however, if someone uses a 3rd party program that has been approved by SE, then if something goes wrong, where do you think the finger will go? It's not MY fault it failed, or messed up my game, it was approved by SE after all.

This is just potentially scratching the surface of what could go wrong or the wasted dev time that would accumulate from trying to maintain an 'official' list of addons. Much easier and simpler to just ban them all.

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That’s a fallacy. You are suggesting that the only reason many players play is because of their add-ons. I’d suggest to you, instead, that most players don’t use them; that users are the minority.

How do I know this? Simple logic. You can’t use add-ons on the Playstation consoles. A good chunk (around half) of FF14 players are on console, so they’re unable to use them (a big part of the reason even QoL add-ons are against the ToS). Also, it stands to reason that fewer PC players use them than don’t, if only because not everyone is going to think to go looking for them to see what appeals to them. And of those who do, at least some are going to decide that none of them are worth using. Varied tastes in that regard, you know.

I’d like to say that add-on users are a small minority; but while reason suggests they are a minority (I’d be surprised if half of the PC players use them, reducing the most that could be to 25%) reason does not suggest how large or small that minorty may be.

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Still most serious communities the game has are build with and around third party tools. Be it gposers who use stuff like gshade and tools to pose. Be it raiders using damage meters to gather data to improve themselves. Be it guide makers who rely on data from damage meters to actually find the perfect rotations for jobs, no dummy training in the entire XIV world can tell you how to play your job right. Be is housing maniacs who rely on tools to actually do stuff that should be in the game anyways. Roleplayers who heavily rely on chataddons cause the chat in XIV is outdated and just plain bad...try to read something when hundred players are in the same house with you. These communities would most likely die out if third party tools would be gone and that would hit the game really like REALLY hard.

And while it might be true that not even half the playerbase is using mods it is also true that most of the good publicity the game gets comes from people using these third party tools. Be it as i said gposers which you can find all over social media. They passively promote the game more than you could ever imagine and throwing all the goodwill SE has with these players out of the window could deal a huge blow to the stock.

Console players don't really do anything to promote the game everywhere. I mean you can see it with all the streamers that jumped on the game recently, like Asmongold and Preach and all these they also visited a community that basically exists cause of third party tools which is the roleplay community.

If they just delete all the twitch streamers for using mods, they will lose a lot of free advertising.

This shock and awe approach to enforcing the new ToS is not making the game better. And I do not give a damn about PVE mods. The PVP stuff is what they should focus on removing.

But they can't. As said in the letter, they can't identify and track every single piece of software that every user uses. They also need to leave necessary wiggle room for newly developed tools or software that may be developed in the future, or if additional features that are added to existing software that take it from "okay" to "not okay." There's already enough internet lawyering going on around the issue and they need to leave the door open to combat that.

They gave you a list.
None.

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You are suggesting that the only reason many players play is because of their add-ons.

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I'm not suggesting any particular number, nor do I suggest minorities or majorities. I don't even really suggest that "the only reason many players play" is because of their add-ons. If anything, I'm suggesting that a hard ruling on what can and cannot be used wouldn't jive with a majority of players, whether they do ("omg, I can't have ears or get numbers? I quit!") or, in fact, do not use mods ("omg, they're allowed to have ears AND/OR "CHEAT?" I quit!"). The exaggeration of Japan going catatonic over the loss of the housing addon is just me referencing the outrage they had when people were being suspended for using that addon to more easily simulate certain glitches in order to decorate their houses. In fact, the recent suspension of Hiroro has sparked outrage from JP as well, which I'm sure will die out (if it hasn't already) but will still need to be dealt with or else could result in people leaving whether they use mods or not.

The situation is also not as black and white as it being one side vs. the other, as some people will have no interest in modding but may not necessarily like that the game has a certain stance against it, or players may leave because friends stop playing, or the benefits reaped by the public via reliable raiding guides or rotation guides are more difficult to create, or because the social media aspect is now impacted. Players are not quite so easy to sort into labels and baskets, and a hard and very direct stance on something that has had a vague stance for so many years is liable to have a noticeable effect on business.

That being said, by all means, go off. :) Considering that there is absolutely no real way to know what percentage of the population does or does not use 3rd party tools of any kind, including those who might decide to hack their PS4 to implement add-ons or mods (where there's a will, there is a way), I'm not even going to bother trying to quantify and determine the exact numerical risk that a hard decision would have for a game that I have absolutely no personal stake in. I just believe that they'll never give a terribly specific stance in order to avoid said risk for one of their cash cows.

You’re not getting a list, ever.

The moment they come up with a definitive list, players will start using it to find concrete loopholes that they cannot refute. From their standpoint it’s best to let it stay vague so they can act upon any sort of 3rd party program not limited to certain list anytime they wish to.

The reason so many of them are "allowed" is because it is impossible for them to tell they are running. If a mod only effects the client side of XIV and does not interact with SE servers in any way then they cannot tell you are running it, and they do not want to plant a program into user PCs that would scan for such mods since it can interfere with a lot of other things. So if you're using mods or plugins that only effect you then there is no worry, if you are using something that will send data through the client or intercept data from the server then you may have a problem.

I want to blame over games for this phenomenon; it's put the FFXIV team in such a precarious position.

It's obvious that they don't want to have to punish people, but at the same time they really have to protect the integrity of the game, and the race to world first Dragonsong Ultimate, which may or may not be ruined at this point?

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Still most serious communities the game has are build with and around third party tools.

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You are joking, right?

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Be it gposers who use stuff like gshade and tools to pose.

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If you do Gposes, turn off gshape because the contrast is killing detail, you can make it high contrast in photoshop for 20 sec later. For 8 years this is the first time I heard of people claiming there is community around gshape...

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Be it raiders using damage meters to gather data to improve themselves.

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This is quite new btw, there were pretty small amount of people using them in the community before two years and they were considered mostly toxic (ask Xeno, he knows big portion of FF community don't like him because he was one of the open promoters of it back in the days).

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Be it guide makers who rely on data from damage meters to actually find the perfect rotations for jobs, no dummy training in the entire XIV world can tell you how to play your job right.

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What did you say? You think they need unacurate data from your dps meter to create rotation? The only thing you need for proper rotation is dummy and reading skills. BTW even Xeno who personally claims he can't play without DPS meter would tell you DUMMY. The best guide for ninja on Shadowbringer was coming from a guy that found the rotation exactly on a dummy and used https://ffxiv.azizarar.com/ to calculate it. To be exact, 2k extra damage from Balance's rotation back in the time.

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Even if you Be is housing maniacs who rely on tools to actually do stuff that should be in the game anyways. Roleplayers who heavily rely on chataddons cause the chat in XIV is outdated and just plain bad...try to read something when hundred players are in the same house with you. These communities would most likely die out if third party tools would be gone and that would hit the game really like REALLY hard.

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Housing glitchs don't need mods, they work without them even if everyone would agree, they should not be glitches, but something you should be able to do easily legit. No, the RP community is not using mods to communicate, when there are too many people somewhere, groups make their own parties to communicate between each other. Everyone will agree the bubbles would be super cool quality of life feature, but most players don't use it because if you enter savage you will get really annoyed by it if someone is writting mid battle because they died from a mechanic.

The only thing that SE really need to fix to keep community alive (we are not talking about ERP/NSFW things) is the bard system, I really believe it will not hurt to be able to write song ingame.

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They can't. They'd lose so much business so fast, and not just from NA or EU. JP, in particular, would go catatonic over the loss of housing addons.

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It seems like they are handing out these bans while they develop their own graphical upgrades, UI upgrades, so that they can eventually ban all third party modifications. They just don't want to push g shade yet, because that is something they are building toward with the inevitable 7.0 changes.

If it reads or modifies FF14's data then it's against the ToS.

Discord is not an addon as it's an external program that does not read or modify the FF14 client. That would be like saying Windows is against the ToS.

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What did you say? You think they need unacurate data from your dps meter to create rotation? The only thing you need for proper rotation is dummy and reading skills. BTW even Xeno who personally claims he can't play without DPS meter would tell you DUMMY. The best guide for ninja on Shadowbringer was coming from a guy that found the rotation exactly on a dummy and used https://ffxiv.azizarar.com/ to calculate it. To be exact, 2k extra damage from Balance's rotation back in the time.

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Just in case you weren't aware, you can import log data into xivanalysis.com and it'll tell you exactly what you are doing wrong and where to improve. It can tell you where you dropped buffs, where you lost uptime, all sorts of things. An absolutely invaluable tool for anyone serious about improving and miles more information then just hitting a dummy.

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So we need a list of what is okay.

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According to Yoshida as long as you're not botting they are all ok, as long as you keep it to yourself.

https://gamerescape.com/2014/02/12/p...naoki-yoshida/

"GE: Recently, there has been noise from players about parsers, mods and third-party applications being used with Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn and about people getting warned, suspended or even banned by GMs for using such applications. There was also mention of a plug-in API for the game. We were wondering what the policy was, your stance on it, and how you were approaching these issues. Some players are a bit worried and don’t want to get banned.

Yoshida: This is a very difficult question to answer. We are first and foremost a software company, and as a software company we cannot really approve of anyone modifying our product in any way. We would prefer it if everyone played within the original design of the software, otherwise we can’t really guarantee the quality of the product itself. Officially, the policy is that any additions or modification to the game are against the rules and privacy policy and when playing our game, everyone has to have gone through the steps to agree to the Terms and Conditions when you sign up.

However, I too am a hardcore PC gamer so I understand that there are a lot of plug-ins and add-ons available to many games. So as a PC gamer, all I can really say is “Please, don’t get caught.” If you are going to use add-ons and plug-ins please be discrete about it. Don’t go around telling your friends you mod the game on chat, or ask a GM if using such an add-on is ok. We can’t really go around and check if add-ons and plug-ins will work with our game and debug it, and check that it doesn’t break anything – its too much. Really what it comes down to is I can’t really say “Yes” to these things, and players have to realize that by using an application that accesses game files that they are the ones that are assuming the risk of viruses and possibly compromising their account.

And as you probably know, Final Fantasy XI had a particularly strict policy on this kind of thing, so there are quite a few players out there who moved from XI to XIV who definitely view any kind of add-on to the game as bad. So please, just be discrete if you will be using tools or add-ons."

I am pretty sure that by 3rd party tools Yoshi P refers to programs that hook specifically into FFXIV executable and modify the game's UI or graphics to give the player an advantage.
Using Discord, a completely indepedent program, at the same time than FFXIV doesn't constitute a violation of the TOS.

I swear people are drawing strays to justify the use of mods.

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I am pretty sure that by 3rd party tools Yoshi P refers to programs that hook specifically into FFXIV executable and modify the game's UI or graphics to give the player an advantage.
Using Discord, a completely indepedent program, at the same time than FFXIV doesn't constitute a violation of the TOS.

I swear people are drawing strays to justify the use of mods.

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Imagine thinking that modifying the UI or graphics gives someone an advantage lmao

I think of it like the speed limit while driving.

You are supposed to drive the speed LIMIT as a maximum.

If you drive 5 miles over it? Nobody really cares. You won't get pulled over unless you are drunk or hit a child or do something stupid.

If you drive 30 miles over it? You are probably going to get pulled over.

But both of those are still driving over the speed limit, which is technically illegal.

I drive 5-10 miles over all the time and I've never been pulled over for speeding. I know plenty of people (including my spouse) who went 30 miles over and paid dearly for it in the form of a hefty fine.

I know I'm still breaking the law. If I asked a police officer, they would tell me I am breaking the law.

So ALL THIRD PARTY TOOLS ARE AGAINST TOS is their stance, and most people will respect that. And hopefully, most of us will stick to only driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit without hitting pedestrians along the way.

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Imagine thinking that modifying the UI or graphics gives someone an advantage lmao

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In this case, the graphics showed the predictive AOE patterns in DSR. That was going 30 miles over the speed limit, while filming it for the cops to see.

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I am pretty sure that by 3rd party tools Yoshi P refers to programs that hook specifically into FFXIV executable and modify the game's UI or graphics to give the player an advantage.
Using Discord, a completely indepedent program, at the same time than FFXIV doesn't constitute a violation of the TOS.

I swear people are drawing strays to justify the use of mods.

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https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...=1#post1408111

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In this case, the graphics showed the predictive AOE patterns in DRS. That was going 30 miles over the speed limit, while filming it for the cops to see.

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Except the people who got banned were not using those, they were using the 5 MPH mods like ACT. If were going to continue this analogy, it's like SE threw the 5 MPH people in prison in the hope it would stop the 30 MPH people in the process. Except it won't because they aren't dumb enough to get caught.

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And hopefully, most of us will stick to only driving 5-10 miles over the speed limit without hitting pedestrians along the way.

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Maximum highway speed limit here is 110kmh, police actively book pretty much everyone doing more than 2 or 4 kmh over.

You r stated 17kmh over, pretty close to 130kmh that puts you well and truly into ticket territory. $363 fine and 3 demerit points. Just a few kmh more (25 kmh over to be exact) and you've passed into mandatory losing your license for 3 months.

Even in built up areas, which is 50kmh here, your 17kmh over is pushing you almost up to 70kmh. That's an insane speed and a danger to kids and other road users!

Your friends 50kmh excess here is a $1000 fine, and 12 months mandatory suspension, with possible impounding of the car and having it crushed.

Just so we're clear since apparently a lot of you can't read, yoshi said he would like it if you used none but that he cant stop you from doing it unless you stream it, so if you want to do it then he can't stop you, but if you stream it then you'll be stopped. So what that means is if you wanted to use a mod, he has no way of knowing and it doesnt bother him. but if you stream yourself using it, thats bothersome and if someone reports you for it, you'll get banned.

Ok once again because I know some have trouble with reading comprehension.
Modifications. If you use, there is no way to tell. The only way to tell is if you stream and a viewer tells support.
All modifications. Modifications which directly modify your game client. The game client itself. Attaching onto the game Final FantasyXIV client.

If you add a modification to your Final FantasyXIV client, you will not get in trouble.
If you stream and you have a modification clearly attached directly onto your Final FantasyXIV client and a viewer tells support, you will get in trouble.

In case you're wondering what you can do, here is what you can do.
Do not stream if you have modifications directly applied onto your Final FantasyXIV video game client.
Thank you.

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Just so we're clear since apparently a lot of you can't read, yoshi said he would like it if you used none but that he cant stop you from doing it unless you stream it, so if you want to do it then he can't stop you, but if you stream it then you'll be stopped.

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So in short, no more streaming world first races. GCBTW. :^)

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According to Yoshida as long as you're not botting they are all ok, as long as you keep it to yourself.

https://gamerescape.com/2014/02/12/p...naoki-yoshida/

"GE: Recently, there has been noise from players about parsers, mods and third-party applications being used with Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn and about people getting warned, suspended or even banned by GMs for using such applications. There was also mention of a plug-in API for the game. We were wondering what the policy was, your stance on it, and how you were approaching these issues. Some players are a bit worried and don’t want to get banned.

Yoshida: This is a very difficult question to answer. We are first and foremost a software company, and as a software company we cannot really approve of anyone modifying our product in any way. We would prefer it if everyone played within the original design of the software, otherwise we can’t really guarantee the quality of the product itself. Officially, the policy is that any additions or modification to the game are against the rules and privacy policy and when playing our game, everyone has to have gone through the steps to agree to the Terms and Conditions when you sign up.

However, I too am a hardcore PC gamer so I understand that there are a lot of plug-ins and add-ons available to many games. So as a PC gamer, all I can really say is “Please, don’t get caught.” If you are going to use add-ons and plug-ins please be discrete about it. Don’t go around telling your friends you mod the game on chat, or ask a GM if using such an add-on is ok. We can’t really go around and check if add-ons and plug-ins will work with our game and debug it, and check that it doesn’t break anything – its too much. Really what it comes down to is I can’t really say “Yes” to these things, and players have to realize that by using an application that accesses game files that they are the ones that are assuming the risk of viruses and possibly compromising their account.

And as you probably know, Final Fantasy XI had a particularly strict policy on this kind of thing, so there are quite a few players out there who moved from XI to XIV who definitely view any kind of add-on to the game as bad. So please, just be discrete if you will be using tools or add-ons."

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In other words, another case of the "We can't be bothered to make them work with the game. Even though they do work."

It's always an excuse with them.

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Yeah well i know of one statement of a community representative, Hvinire said it would be alright i think.

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In 2013, I will note. I've pointed out that post myself on various occasions in the past, but we should recognize that the policy may have changed since then.

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But yeah, reshade and gshade don't interact with the gamedata itself i believe but work through directx itself. Thus it doesn't interact with the gamedata itself BUT gshade as far as i know uses an overlay system for the game which would mean it does interact with gamedata since it starts automatically as soon as the game starts.

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The super-simplified version of how ReShade or GShade works is by replacing either the Direct 3D or DXGI DLLs with their own version. That version mostly just passes things through to DirectX, but takes the opportunity to do post-processing on the actual output framebuffer. The in-game overlay is not, technically, happening in the game code, but in the DirectX pipeline.

However, it is happening in the game's process; the way it intercepts and proxies DirectX is by putting its own DLL in the game's folder; programs will load their own local version of DirectX before falling back to the system one, which means the game goes to load DirectX and loads the shader system instead (which then loads DirectX on the game's behalf).

The practical upshot of which is that ReShade cannot modify the game's actual operating code in any way, but it can modify the framebuffer after the game is done with it. (Which is how the menu overlay for ReShade works; it's just stamped on top of the end result of the game's rendering code.)

Conversely, Nvidia's Freestyle (their own ReShade equivalent, albeit with far fewer built-in shaders and a maximum of 4 presets) happens down in Nvidia's driver layer, meaning the code for Freestyle is not actually in the FFXIV process; arguably, it falls into the same area as monitor color calibration and such.

So if you really wanted to get nitpicky on the technical details, it would be possible for them to say ReShade and its forks are formally prohibited, but still allow Freestyle.

I do not think they're likely to enforce the ToS against ReShade/GShade, no. Aesthetic mods that do not alter the game's operation are unlikely to be high-value targets for enforcement, I'd imagine.

But that doesn't mean I think it would be super smart to stream while using it, because I can absolutely imagine people maliciously reporting people, and I don't think anyone's put to the test how hard the hammer will come down if they're forced to go pay attention to something instead of allowing it to skate beneath the radar.

(Whereas if you're posting just images, there's some degree of plausible deniability. Even if they know you probably used ReShade or GShade, if they're not super keen on enforcing it they can easily dismiss it with "Well, it might've been a normal unchanged screenshot they did things to in Photoshop.")

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Maximum highway speed limit here is 110kmh, police actively book pretty much everyone doing more than 2 or 4 kmh over.

You r stated 17kmh over, pretty close to 130kmh that puts you well and truly into ticket territory. $363 fine and 3 demerit points. Just a few kmh more (25 kmh over to be exact) and you've passed into mandatory losing your license for 3 months.

Even in built up areas, which is 50kmh here, your 17kmh over is pushing you almost up to 70kmh. That's an insane speed and a danger to kids and other road users!

Your friends 50kmh excess here is a $1000 fine, and 12 months mandatory suspension, with possible impounding of the car and having it crushed.

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I'd focus less on how the numbers correlate and instead what your measure would be. The highway speed limit in the US is about 60 to 65 in a lot of places. These limits were set in like the 70s and have never really been adjusted. Average speed of traffic is usually between 70 to 85. That's why going 65 to 70 or even 80 isn't a big deal here and you're usually the one being a traffic obstruction if you go slower than that. The rules are still on the books so anyone going above could get caught in a speed trap, which does happen when cops need to fill their quotas. But usually the cops are also going the higher average speed because our speed limits are just set laughably low.

And even then, that person going 90 that the poster you quoted described is probably just going to get a ticket unless they were also doing something else reckless. Tickets aren't cheap and there are things that can be done that get you points on your license or having it revoked. But not often a single speeding ticket.

Honestly there's no realistic way FFXIV team ever stamps a seal of approval on any 3rd party add-on. The moment they do they'd be expected to take responsibility for it. If add-on breaks something they'll be the ines expected to fix it, keep up with it's updates and make sure it doesn't change in a way they didn't want to. A lot of extra work.

The other is well. Would you willingly open the Pandora box of internet "lawyers" looking for loopholes?