Going in blind kicking

So, just ran the new 6.1 alliance raid, and was promptly kicked for not knowing mechs on the last boss where you need to stack to avoid wipe(which i learned when we died) as i prefer going in blind than watch a YT video and spoil the bosses before i see them in-game. If a mechanic is like that, than why not take a minute and explain if a mechanic is crucial where you stand.

DW it'll get nerfed to a two shot later.

Some people get pissed if you explain a mechanic without anyone asking.

Some people also get pissed if you don't explain a mechanic when nobody asked.

There's no winning on the internet.

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Originally Posted by ZanaJakkyas

If a mechanic is like that, than why not take a minute and explain if a mechanic is crucial where you stand.

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(Generally on blind runs I do them with people also doing it blind, or willing to accept blind runners. It's not nice to make random others work harder for one's own sake.)

Did you ask before the start? "Hi, first time, any mechanics that can wipe us?"

At worst you will be kicked immediately and not waste your or other's time.

Weird that we've reached a point where people just get kicked for being new. Worse, people think it's normal to kick others if they say they're new.

Nothing in the game states you have to know anything in advance. If you queue via duty finder, you get whoever you get. If you're so fragile that you have to start kicking people after one wipe, don't use DF.

Also, if someone kicks you because you didn't know a mechanic, report them. If you're not sure who initiated it, just give as much info as you can about the event and the GMs can figure it out from there.

What is weird to me is how people see everyone run to the other side and think...yeah...lets stay here! Every group i ran with on patchday got it right. Every single group. Ofc kicking you after one wipe is awful, shouldn't happen and if that happens again just report it cause it is definitely against the ToS. But really, the mechanic isn't that hard...like at all.

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Originally Posted by ZanaJakkyas

So, just ran the new 6.1 alliance raid, and was promptly kicked for not knowing mechs on the last boss where you need to stack to avoid wipe(which i learned when we died) as i prefer going in blind than watch a YT video and spoil the bosses before i see them in-game. If a mechanic is like that, than why not take a minute and explain if a mechanic is crucial where you stand.

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That's an abuse of the kick function. You should report that to a GM.

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Originally Posted by ZanaJakkyas

So, just ran the new 6.1 alliance raid, and was promptly kicked for not knowing mechs on the last boss where you need to stack to avoid wipe(which i learned when we died) as i prefer going in blind than watch a YT video and spoil the bosses before i see them in-game. If a mechanic is like that, than why not take a minute and explain if a mechanic is crucial where you stand.

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I really doubt that in a Raid 24 you don't have a Mentor in there.

Ho my bad, what am I saying ? Mentor can't explain things and just kick people.

*Sarcasm off*

Honestly, you just encountered some toxic player unable to accept what a "Fail" is. But I don't remember A mecanics on this one where you have to stack and if "One people" isn't there, it make a wype... You refer probably to the balance mecanic, but that isn't a "one person fault". Kicking you out of the team for this is really an abusive behavior and must be reported.

I've ran that at least once a week since it was added. (Actual number varies on how many runs it takes to get the drop I want.). I can't think of a single stack mechanic that results in a wipe if 1 person doesn't stack. So if a mechanic like that failed and resulted in a wipe it was because a number of ppl didn't do it. If you got vote-kicked afterwards it's likely because you had a party made up mostly of elitists since it takes a majority vote for the kick to happen. There's also a possibility 1 or more of them might have been running a parser and singled you out for low DPS output since it probably wasn't optimal if you were running blind focusing on catching mechanic markers.

Or you know, most simply have no tolerance for wiping to scales. And I really don't blame them. The mechanic has so much trolling potential, happens so late in the fight and locks you into such a long cutscene even if failed that many just don't want to bother.

assuming this was at the scales, if you were jumping back and forth they probably thought you were trolling. even with people trolling, ive never seen anyone kicked. this is probably a rare occurrence. report and move on

I'm not saying that you didn't encounter a few jerks, but I'm almost always skeptical when someone claims to have been kicked for the smallest of mistakes. Where stacks are concerned in Alliance raids, missing 1 person, heck, even a few people won't wipe a raid. 9 times out of 10, there's some important context we are missing here. If it had to do with the scales...well, people tend to be less patient about that, but I haven't seen anyone kicked for messing that mechanic up yet, and I've ran that raid a good bit. Some may be salty and express their frustrations, but that's usually it.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

I've ran that at least once a week since it was added. (Actual number varies on how many runs it takes to get the drop I want.). I can't think of a single stack mechanic that results in a wipe if 1 person doesn't stack. So if a mechanic like that failed and resulted in a wipe it was because a number of ppl didn't do it. If you got vote-kicked afterwards it's likely because you had a party made up mostly of elitists since it takes a majority vote for the kick to happen. There's also a possibility 1 or more of them might have been running a parser and singled you out for low DPS output since it probably wasn't optimal if you were running blind focusing on catching mechanic markers.

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The thing is we don't know what OP really did. There are only two possible scenarios which could lead to a wipe that would result in them being vote kicked from the raid, either they were the only person standing on the other side while literally EVERY SINGLE OTHER PERSON is standing on the different side. Or they were running between each side when the mobs were not on every side and didn't stood still.

Either way it is not really that hard to either stand still to let the experienced players balance the stuff out or well...go where like...literally everyone else is standing. If every single player is standing somewhere over there some might come to the conclusion that standing there would be beneficial for their and the raids health. Even without having knowledge about the mechanics.

In an alliance of 24 people, I feel like you either never told anyone you were new, or you did and were instructed of what to do and continued to preform the mechanic incorrectly.
If you stayed silent the entire time, then they most likely thought you were a troll holding the alliance hostage. You need to speak up when you're new. Blind or not. Your right to do things blind is not your right to hold others hostage. It's a team game.

The balance mechanic leaves a lot of slack, meaning that more than one person messed up.
Sounds like you were kicked for being honest about going blind, or there is more to the story.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

(Generally on blind runs I do them with people also doing it blind, or willing to accept blind runners. It's not nice to make random others work harder for one's own sake.)

Did you ask before the start? "Hi, first time, any mechanics that can wipe us?"

At worst you will be kicked immediately and not waste your or other's time.

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If it was EX or higher i'd agree. But since it was a normal i didn't think much of it. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I wasn't expecting a free carry, i am still doing my role as best i am able and learn from my mistakes.

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Originally Posted by kpxmanifesto

That's an abuse of the kick function. You should report that to a GM.

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Originally Posted by TabrisOmbrelame

I really doubt that in a Raid 24 you don't have a Mentor in there.

Ho my bad, what am I saying ? Mentor can't explain things and just kick people.

*Sarcasm off*

Honestly, you just encountered some toxic player unable to accept what a "Fail" is. But I don't remember A mecanics on this one where you have to stack and if "One people" isn't there, it make a wype... You refer probably to the balance mecanic, but that isn't a "one person fault". Kicking you out of the team for this is really an abusive behavior and must be reported.

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Didn't think of that as this is what i can remember the first time being kicked since i really started to play the game.

This mechanic gives room for error. So you werent the only person screwing up if you are legit about not knowing the mechanic.

Only thing I can think of you did wrong was you ran back and forth constantly or switched last second that led to the wipe, which people couldve considered trolling.

never seen people get kicked in my runs unless they are AFK or being @$$ hats.

What kind of fool kicks a newb on an alliance? People die, all that matters is clearing. Unless you caused a wipe?

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Originally Posted by Bad_Luck

What kind of fool kicks a newb on an alliance? People die, all that matters is clearing. Unless you caused a wipe?

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You've answered your own question.

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Originally Posted by Vahlnir

I'm not saying that you didn't encounter a few jerks, but I'm almost always skeptical when someone claims to have been kicked for the smallest of mistakes. Where stacks are concerned in Alliance raids, missing 1 person, heck, even a few people won't wipe a raid. 9 times out of 10, there's some important context we are missing here. If it had to do with the scales...well, people tend to be less patient about that, but I haven't seen anyone kicked for messing that mechanic up yet, and I've ran that raid a good bit. Some may be salty and express their frustrations, but that's usually it.

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I've seen some pretty obnoxious kicks in alliance raids. Back in SB, people would kick others all the time for minor things in Orbonne, for example.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I've seen some pretty obnoxious kicks in alliance raids. Back in SB, people would kick others all the time for minor things in Orbonne, for example.

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The Ivalice raids did at least have mechanics where trolls could wipe a noticeable amount of the alliance since it had a number of instances of targeting people with AoE markers that either followed them or directed cone/line attacks.

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Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda

The Ivalice raids did at least have mechanics where trolls could wipe a noticeable amount of the alliance since it had a number of instances of targeting people with AoE markers that either followed them or directed cone/line attacks.

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Trying to get 3 people to stack in each marker so it wouldn't one shot the entire raid~

Sounds like the balance mech on the final fight. People lose their minds if someone misses that. And it's easy to do when you're new. Report them, blacklist them, and move on.

SE just needs to stop putting in mechs where one person can gain all the vitriol of everyone else. I saw the worst things said about people who messed up the QTE on SoS, too.

they clearly future proof the mechanic by putting it so late in the fight
by time next 24 man is out youll skip it lol

Instead of blaming people who don't know the mechanic, or blaming people who get mad at others for failing the mechanic, perhaps we should blame SE for implementing a mechanic that one player can mess up for 23 others in the first place.

Not sure what you meant by “stack” mechanic that leads to a wipe. I’d like to think you meant the balance but I don’t remember seeing any moment you need to stack together. I do think that particular mech has a ridiculous potential of being trolled just like SoS rapid button mash. At the very least people can do see who’s trolling.

One of my runs from last week we had a salty player from another group that malds when people miserably fails the stack up marker & earth shakers. One happened and almost wipe the alliance because whoever had the earth shakers also decide to stack with the stack up marker. Another happened during the add phase where all 3 stack markers were all over the place. This one truly wiped the alliance because so many dead bodies lying on the wrong side.

That salty player:”Istg you have 40 levels worth of alliance raid gameplay and you still don’t know how to deal with stack up marker properly??”

Don't think that happened, a single person cannot influence the mechanic unless more people were standing at the wrong place.

Besides, I once or twice wiped on the scale encounter, but the folks shrugged it off and tried it again. With the bonus they could vibe more with the music.

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Originally Posted by Shibi

(Generally on blind runs I do them with people also doing it blind, or willing to accept blind runners. It's not nice to make random others work harder for one's own sake.)

Did you ask before the start? "Hi, first time, any mechanics that can wipe us?"

At worst you will be kicked immediately and not waste your or other's time.

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You don't get to decide how people play.

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Originally Posted by Payadopa

You don't get to decide how people play.

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Ok then never mention you're a first timer in any duty?

Never saw someone getting kicked by alliance raid and I personally enter all of them blind my first time.

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Originally Posted by Nav_Fae

In an alliance of 24 people, I feel like you either never told anyone you were new, or you did and were instructed of what to do and continued to preform the mechanic incorrectly.
If you stayed silent the entire time, then they most likely thought you were a troll holding the alliance hostage. You need to speak up when you're new. Blind or not. Your right to do things blind is not your right to hold others hostage. It's a team game.

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Except that the whole party gets an on-screen notification when they have someone who hasn't cleared the content is in their party and they get extra tomes for it. If you miss that message then that's on you since it shows up in the literal middle of the screen.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

Except that the whole party gets an on-screen notification when they have someone who hasn't cleared the content is in their party and they get extra tomes for it. If you miss that message then that's on you since it shows up in the literal middle of the screen.

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Except it doesn’t display that message or award any bonus when the raid is new.

I haven't actually finished that raid myself, quite frankly I haven't been playing my best lately so I put it on hold so I don't slow groups down. Judging from scale mechanics that can wipe an entire raid and random kicks being thrown around I might just give Endwalker Alliance a miss.

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Originally Posted by Liam_Harper

I haven't actually finished that raid myself, quite frankly I haven't been playing my best lately so I put it on hold so I don't slow groups down. Judging from scale mechanics that can wipe an entire raid and random kicks being thrown around I might just give Endwalker Alliance a miss.

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I really don't think the chance of being kicked is that high. At this point, If you can follow a crowd, you should (mostly) be golden. I'm sure death will happen, as it does to most people in their early runs, but that's fairly normal.

For what it's worth, I've seen several wipes on that last fight, but never seen a kick go off on anyone. YMWV.

It's a fun raid IMO, would recommend giving it a shot! Maybe just toss out you're newer to it, and people should be good. If not, well, jerks sadly exist, but thankfully it seems most people are decent.

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Originally Posted by SwingLifeAway

Instead of blaming people who don't know the mechanic, or blaming people who get mad at others for failing the mechanic, perhaps we should blame SE for implementing a mechanic that one player can mess up for 23 others in the first place.

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Well I got wiped off the face of the earth earlier by someone in that raid who thought stack markers needed to be stacked, so perhaps we should just remove those too.

Just because some people are unbearably stupid, that doesn't mean there's something wrong with the mechanics.

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Originally Posted by ZanaJakkyas

So, just ran the new 6.1 alliance raid, and was promptly kicked for not knowing mechs on the last boss where you need to stack to avoid wipe(which i learned when we died) as i prefer going in blind than watch a YT video and spoil the bosses before i see them in-game. If a mechanic is like that, than why not take a minute and explain if a mechanic is crucial where you stand.

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Did you tell them you didn't know? Or did you wipe 100x and said nothing?
Or wiped 100x and got nasty? Always 2 sides to a story.