I was very excited to play RPR when EW came out.
And kinda surprised that its skill sets resemble some of SAM's.
Both jobs have movement skills going forward and backward.
But RPR doesn't need a target and it can be used more freely during the fight and also during a non-combat situation when you are just running around the city. And it even gets a portal so you can go back to your original position within 10 seconds window.
And using that movement skill makes RPR's ranged attack spell an instant cast as long as you cast it within 20 seconds.
RPR's shield nullifies 10% of MAX HP for 5 seconds and when broken, it gives party members regen. And I am not even going to mention the enhanced arcane circle trait which gives RPR a special buff.
SAM's movement skills require a target. So a bit more hassle to use during combat and you cannot use it in non-combat situations. And it requires a resource to use the skill: 10 Kenki. Only the backstep movement skill gives a bonus potency buff to SAM's ranged attack skill.
SAM's shield skill lasts only 4 seconds (why 1-second difference compared to RPR??) and for the NEXT attack, you received 10% less damage. When you get hit, you get 10 kenki. Seriously?! just 10 kenki. It couldn't be 25?? or/and gives a stack of meditation or something??
I am not sure how it was okay to make a new job and gives it a better version of existing skills from an existing job. Quality of life changes for those skills is top-notch for the RPR. I am not sure why it didn't occur to SE that they should have made some QoL changes to SAM as well.
I don't know.... As a player who likes SAM, RPR seems just a superior version of SAM.
Almost insulting.
Don't get me wrong, I don't want every job to be similar but if SE wants to just copy paste skills to a new job at least make it fair for all jobs.
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05-06-2022, 05:32 PMlilmoonWhy SE gave SAM's skills to RPR and just made them superior?!?
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05-06-2022, 06:13 PMcjbeagle
Playing devil's advocate:
- Reaper's movement abilities don't deal damage - Samurai's not only do, but actually deal damage at the same kenki-to-potency ratio as your normal spender, so they're not even a dps loss.
- Samurai's movement abilities increase the damage of their next ranged attack to mitigate dps loss - Reaper's just makes their next ranged attack instant-cast.
- Reaper's movement makes their next ranged attack instant-cast - Samurai's are always instant-cast.
- Samurai's ranged attacks generate resources - Reaper's don't.
- Third Eye giving 10 kenki isn't much, but any defense being converted into offense is better than no conversion at all, which is what Reaper's is (and every other job except DRK afaik), and with its low cooldown, it adds up quickly in a lot of fights.
I adored samurai prior to 6.1, and I like reaper too, but not nearly as much - to me they feel completely different. -
05-06-2022, 06:58 PMKleeya
Samurai's movement abilities needing 10 kenki is actually a good thing, and not a bad one. With the huge uproar there is about kaiten's removal, we really don't need to make the kenki management even more brainless.
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05-06-2022, 07:48 PMLyth
If going 'forward and backward' is the basis of your comparison between RPR and SAM, you should probably file a complaint against Cruise Chaser first.
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05-06-2022, 09:11 PMRecon1o6ngl that made me chuckleQuote:
Originally Posted by Lyth
Already have filed a complaint though. Its a crime that went into the cash shop :/ instead of being available in game -
05-06-2022, 10:46 PMRansu
Several jobs have ingress and egress movement skills....
Third eye giving 25 kenki would be absolutely insane. Its fine at 10 kenki. -
05-07-2022, 01:46 AMChopstix
how many times have u seen a DRG or RPR wall it accidentally because of their "movement" skill? it is also rather finicky which way they fire
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05-07-2022, 02:55 AMxAFROx
Y'all wanna know what RPR really took from SAM? It's aoe rotation.
SAM lost the unique aoe movement requirement by having all of it changed from cone to circle.
RPR was introduced in the very expansion that was changed. It has cones, circles, and lines.
Why? Why does RPR get to be unique? Because it's new? Why doesn't SAM get to keep the tools it came with? Why does SAM feel so limp now? I don't understand.
Make SAM fun again. -
05-07-2022, 03:08 AMcjbeagleTruth.Quote:
Originally Posted by xAFROx
And Kaiten went to PVP monk.
It's like they murdered one of the best jobs in the game just to harvest its organs. -
05-07-2022, 03:12 AMcjbeagleNot wrong, but it'd be even better if it enabled some sort of counterattack that you can only use after successfully mitigating damage with Third Eye. They could call it Hissatsu: Seigan or something - that'd be really cool I bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ransu
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05-07-2022, 03:15 AMxAFROxMan, if only an ability like that existed. I sure would love the ever satisfying snkt of a skill like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by cjbeagle
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05-07-2022, 03:40 AMSeverianLyonesseDoesn't even make much flavorful sense. Reaper, both by weapon design and by even *stronger* moon theming than SAM, wants attacks that sweep in arcs. Reaper wants circle and half-circle AoEs, whereas SAM is the one that wants cones and lines and overall AoE variety.Quote:
Originally Posted by xAFROx
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05-07-2022, 04:04 AMVencio
Except every other job isn’t similar & retains to its own identity,
Why on earth would you ever say RPR is superior than SAM?
Each job has its own combinations of sorts