Fellowships need a report button

I think it would be a good QoL feature. There's so many awful fellowships on Crystal DC, one that is absolutely so gross, I can't believe they didn't get banned for breaking ToS and there's no button to report this. I already reported that through "harassment" button, but is anything gonna be done?

Fellowships? Ohhhhh
I forget they exist. Do people really use them?

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Originally Posted by Kranel_San

Fellowships? Ohhhhh
I forget they exist. Do people really use them?

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Yes, they do, and because the majority doesn't really pay attention to what's going on in there, people create the most awful fellowships you can imagine.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

I think it would be a good QoL feature. There's so many awful fellowships on Crystal DC, one that is absolutely so gross, I can't believe they didn't get banned for breaking ToS and there's no button to report this. I already reported that through "harassment" button, but is anything gonna be done?

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One would assume if it's something actually against ToS, they will investigate it regardless of the method it's reported by - which harassment would probably fall under, in some cases, depending on the Fellowship.

That said, yeah. More things need a right click -> report button, not just someone's name in chat for RMT spam. It's a much easier method for many people to utilize, and especially for core systems in the game such as PF and Fellowships, I feel like it's a necessity.

Granted, Fellowships kinda got thrown to the winds after initial release, so the chances of something being done insofar as providing a report tool (or even any extra tools for the system at all) is low. Which is a shame, they're a nice idea but just very poorly executed and without some features that would make using it and finding specific ones easier.

What would you define as "awful"? I have to ask with how hypersensitive people are these days.

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

What would you define as "awful"? I have to ask with how hypersensitive people are these days.

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I don't know, maybe promoting RP about Lolis? It's literally there lol

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

I don't know, maybe promoting RP about Lolis? It's literally there lol

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Yikes... :(

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

I don't know, maybe promoting RP about Lolis? It's literally there lol

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Can you report the person who made it?

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Originally Posted by Darthgummibear

Yikes... :(

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You know what's worse? It has 34 members in there.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

I don't know, maybe promoting RP about Lolis? It's literally there lol

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First of all WTH are fellowships?? Never heard of them. And what is Lolis? never heard of that either.

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Originally Posted by Jybril

Can you report the person who made it?

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Already did.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

First of all WTH are fellowships?? Never heard of them. And what is Lolis? never heard of that either.

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They were introduced long ago, they work like mini guilds but without a chat. It has a poll system tho. And well, Loli is a Japanese term for an underage girl.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

And what is Lolis? never heard of that either.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

And well, Loli is a Japanese term for an underage girl.

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To be specific, the term 'loli' was coined off of Lolita - the titular character in Vladimir Nabokov's novel regarding a middle aged man thirsting after and grooming an underage girl who he claims 'enthralled him like some sort of succubus'. Due to the novel, the term lolita has been used to mean - quite grossly - a 'precociously seductive underaged girl'. Whether Japan was the first to begin using the shorthand 'loli' is up for debate, but the term has grown to be used for characters in anime/manga or video games who appear quite young, usually in the 10~13 year old range, but are presented as something desirable for the protagonist. (fking barf)

Also they always try to get around it legit being CP by saying "oh it's fine, she's actually a 5,000 year old demon queen!" or something equally inane and disgusting.

So tl;dr, people into lolicon tend to be child predators, whether they want to admit it or not.

I remember the game presenting fellowships to me when I first started. 100+ days playtime and I've no idea what they are for. I forgot they even existed lol

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

To be specific, the term 'loli' was coined off of Lolita - the titular character in Vladimir Nabokov's novel regarding a middle aged man thirsting after and grooming an underage girl who he claims 'enthralled him like some sort of succubus'. Due to the novel, the term lolita has been used to mean - quite grossly - a 'precociously seductive underaged girl'. Whether Japan was the first to begin using the shorthand 'loli' is up for debate, but the term has grown to be used for characters in anime/manga or video games who appear quite young, usually in the 10~13 year old range, but are presented as something desirable for the protagonist. (fking barf)

Also they always try to get around it legit being CP by saying "oh it's fine, she's actually a 5,000 year old demon queen!" or something equally inane and disgusting.

So tl;dr, people into lolicon tend to be child predators, whether they want to admit it or not.

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Thank you for the lesson. Damn. Now that is nasty as hell. Like real nasty. Now if these fellowships are doing this then how do you know what they are doing if their is no chat. Not being a smart-ass, Just trying to understand how this works. Not that I want to join it with all that nasty crap going on.

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Originally Posted by Darksummoner

Thank you for the lesson. Damn. Now that is nasty as hell. Like real nasty. Now if these fellowships are doing this then how do you know what they are doing if their is no chat. Not being a smart-ass, Just trying to understand how this works. Not that I want to join it with all that nasty crap going on.

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They usually have links to a discord or something. There's some feet-lover fellowships and some other weird fetish stuff in there lol.

Thank you Kaoru for the better explanation.

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Originally Posted by Padudu

They usually have links to a discord or something. There's some feet-lover fellowships and some other weird fetish stuff in there lol.

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Kinks are between consenting adults, and most RPs most probably take place in private, this is fine. What's not fine is someone advertising their fellowship for underage girls and probably have some intense ERP about that. It's f-ing gross.

To the OP:

None of the interactive methods of communication (PF, Fellowships, actual CHAT messaging) has a 'button to report'. You can click on a person's name in chat and issue an RMT report. Or you can do what hundreds of your fellow posters do all the time -- issue a formal report using the methods the game already provides.

If it upsets you enough, you should be able to remember it while working through that process.

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Originally Posted by DPZ2

To the OP:

None of the interactive methods of communication (PF, Fellowships, actual CHAT messaging) has a 'button to report'. You can click on a person's name in chat and issue an RMT report. Or you can do what hundreds of your fellow posters do all the time -- issue a formal report using the methods the game already provides.

If it upsets you enough, you should be able to remember it while working through that process.

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This seems like an unnecessarily passive aggressive response to be honest.

They've even stated they reported it as is, but honestly - adding a report feature to other core interactive systems in the game would be nice, too. The report system as is may be thorough, but it's a hassle for someone to go through and especially if many people are doing things worthy of report in a short span of time or in the same instance.

The right click -> report feature was actually a good idea, it just shouldn't really have been limited to RMT and only limited to right clicking someone's name in chat.

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Originally Posted by Rehayem

Thank you Kaoru for the better explanation.



Kinks are between consenting adults, and most RPs most probably take place in private, this is fine. What's not fine is someone advertising their fellowship for underage girls and probably have some intense ERP about that. It's f-ing gross.

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I'm all for "keep your goddang kinks outta the public view" lol. That includes lolicon and whatever. If it's in private, whatever, not like we can see it anyways. But when everyone can see it.. yeah.

I agree op. Stuff like this is why people side eye Lalafell players. The sad thing is I've seen defense of such things in game. It's disgusting.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

They've even stated they reported it as is, but honestly - adding a report feature to other core interactive systems in the game would be nice, too. The report system as is may be thorough, but it's a hassle for someone to go through and especially if many people are doing things worthy of report in a short span of time or in the same instance.

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I disagree, in fact I expect the fact that reporting is designed to take more effort than is usual in such an environment (when, as we see from the "report RMT activity" button, the facility for it not to in other cases is certainly possible), is a deliberate and intended feature, especially given the way Square Enix handles reports.

Remember that all of your reports in this game are reviewed by a human. None are rubber stamped by robot that I'm aware of (with the possible exception of the use of profanity - I'm still not sure on that one because I've heard from buds that they got suspended in far too short a time for normal human review, suggesting that reported chat logs are pre-scanned for profanity violations and if it's found are subject to summary judgment without need for a GM to confirm).

Also that compared to almost any other gaming service, you descend the penalty volcano at a glacial pace (in fact, you used to not be able to descend the penalty volcano at all, practically speaking), so reports actually actioned affect the person's status virtually forever (on a video game timescale).

As a result, a reporting system that forces people to be more sure of themselves before submitting, rather than make it easy for rage reports to be made, is virtually essential. Otherwise, the work load will probably become too much for SE to handle economically in a timely fashion, which will more than likely result in the situation you see in most other games (where the substance of the report virtually no longer matters, and account action is taken based almost exclusively on the number of reports someone receives - a situation which can be and in fact is heavily abused by bad faith actors, sometimes - see for instance the Ahn'Qiraj gate event in WoW Classic - to the point of virtually becoming a gameplay mechanic rather than the customer service tool it is intended as).

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Originally Posted by Amarande

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Absolutely none of this makes an easier Report function for core game systems, such as PF listings and Fellowships, unnecessary.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

Absolutely none of this makes an easier Report function for core game systems, such as PF listings and Fellowships, unnecessary.

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Let me put it somewhat differently.

There's basically three buckets into which "reasons to make a report" can be filed:

1 - slam-dunk violation cases where it's clear somebody's posting something really bad
2 - cases where a report is possibly reasonable but whether or not action should happen is a genuine judgment call
3 - specious/abusive reports with no rational basis but hoping for GM action ("MOM! BART'S SMOKING!" to make a classic Simpsons reference)

It's pretty clear you're annoyed at content that seems to fall under the first category but feel that it's too troublesome to make reports in that situation. I can understand that frustration.

The problem is if you make THOSE easier to report, you have to make reporting easier in general, and if the effort to make a report is low enough, you get loads of collateral damage. A lot of people considering filing a report of the second type probably initially feel that way out of high emotion (perhaps a tense situation in a Duty, which is a common topic of discussion in TOS-related threads here), and currently the amount of time it takes to file may cause them to cool down enough to reconsider if it's actually a big enough deal to warrant doing so. A lot of potential report troll types probably currently don't bother because it's so much higher effort to make a report here, and because the reports are still reviewed by actual staff so are much more likely to get thrown out anyway.

With easy to make reports, you'll have a lot more people getting strikes for momentary emotional situations (exactly what other topics about player interaction fear) as instead of cooling off, people will file those type 2 reports more. You'll also have a lot more people reporting just because they don't like someone or their playstyle (let's be real, this happens in more than enough major online games that it would be dreaming to think otherwise). Meanwhile serious reports actually take longer to process, because they're stuck in the queue with all the pique fits and wolf-crying. There would be fingers being pointed at SE that they aren't diligent enough at dealing with the real trust and safety issues.

SE would probably be forced to start to cut corners on its currently mainly excellent report-handling track record (which seems to mostly be marred by only the occasional errant GM decision). Decisions would have to be more summary; it seems like most firms that face this problem tend to ultimately overdemocratize the enforcement of the TOS, with, in particular, receiving too many complaints resulting in being actioned regardless of whether or not the complaints were justified. Where this happens in games, players can and do coordinate to mass report someone they disagree with in order to get them suspended; most popular games seem to be afflicted by this problem at this point. I can think of any of a number of forms of content in XIV that could be rendered nearly unplayable via unscrupulous use of such a system by a mob (the size of a mid-to-large FC, perhaps). Hunts. FATEs. Potentially, it could even be used to abuse materials markets ...

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Originally Posted by Amarande

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You keep focusing on the entirety of the game. I've stated that at the very least, PF listings and Fellowships - and similar functions to those two systems - need an easier report function. It's very doubtful they would need to add such a report function to every other aspect of the game in order to implement an easier report function for one or two systems, unless the code for this game is simply that bad.

And even then, all of this argument is moot when people can already abuse the current iteration we have of right-click -> Report for RMT. Additional functions would be no different, especially if they - like the RMT report function - have a big pop-up about actioning against false reports.

There are far more GMs around for ToS-related reports than there are on the STF team for RMT and botting reports. I think you are imagining a problem that would not be nearly as egregious as you think it would be.

I'm also not even the person who was asking about report functions regarding Fellowships, lmao. There's no frustration and I genuinely think you need to go back and read the entirety of the thread rather than making assumptions from a singular post I made voicing support for an easier reporting function for a few social and party making systems.

Fellowships? Do you mean the kinkfinder?
Yes, also implent one for partyfinder

Simple solution, just dont join a suspicous fellowship and just care about yourself.

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Originally Posted by Kaoru_Nagisa

So tl;dr, people into lolicon tend to be child predators, whether they want to admit it or not.

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I know quite a few adult female cosplayers who dress in EGL (Elegant Gothic Lolita) Style and would very much disagree with your statement.

Back to OP's point though, there DOES need to be an easier right click report function, not just fellowships, but for a lot of things.

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Originally Posted by Zer0ofTime

I know quite a few adult female cosplayers who dress in EGL (Elegant Gothic Lolita) Style and would very much disagree with your statement.

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EGL =/= lolicon
The former is fashion that makes you look like an old timey porcelain doll. The latter is art sexualizing anime children. Your friends would object to being called a lolicon because thats waaaaay off base from what they're up to ^^;

Then you go tell the NYC based Lolicon that it's sullying the Elegant Gothic Lolita name.